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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49009 Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #120 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 11:47am The Union is a criminal organisation that uses stand over tactics and bullying of non unionist workers.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29775 Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #121 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 11:53am Jasin wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 11:47am: The Union is a criminal organisation that uses stand over tactics and bullying of non unionist workers. There is no such entity as "The Union". Are you becoming as big a dickhead as Phil?
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Reply #122 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 12:25pm

You only have one Flag to represent Unionism in Australia, hence why all unions belong to THE UNION.

Nice of the Union to support the American poultry company Aviagen's occupation of Australia towards conquest, which refused using the Contract workers of the Australian Chicken Sexers Association by bringing in barefoot working South Koreans who were of poorer quality via backpacker visas for 6 months. The Union did this, because the 'imported' Asian workers became Union members, besides working for cheap American wages. The American Aviagen would hire only one local Australian as traineeship, but turf them after 6 months for another.

So the Union was with the American company, which would not pay Australian workers from the Association.

I also got to see Emails of the American company's aim to destroy the other Australian Poultry Companies in their conquest for 100% of the global market, from their current 90%. They had already claimed Inghams. Thankfully my talks with the likes of Biata and Steggles proved fruitful and the Australian Poultry Industry has put up a gaining fight against the American Company. Lucky we didn't sell Graincorp to America.
When I approached the (poultry) Union as if I was a pro- Unionist. They were glad to brag about how good it is for Unionism, to get rid of the Australian Contractors, as they are not Union members. I mentioned that the South Korean Chicken Sexers were walking barefoot in the workplace, he just huffed it as unimportant and a cultural thing. As long as they were forced to join the Union to get the work here for 6 months as fake backpackers, all was good. The look on his face, when he pushed the forms to me to join the Union was priceless! when I told him on my way out. "Sorry, but I'm a Confederate".

The Yankee Unionism here in Australia is not Australian.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #123 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 4:03pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

The guy behind this story has at least two businesses, One is closed till the new year the other only opens Mon to Friday excluding PH's. He is not affected by penalty rates at all, he does not pay them. .

I'll bet he's in some employer group, or chamber of commerce group, who decided it was a good time to have another cry about penalty rates

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Reply #124 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 8:34pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 9:47am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 9:44am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 9:34am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:10pm:

Maybe we should all work directly for the Union?
I'm sure they'll pay a motza.

Most UNIONS push for a fair and reasonable wage. They understand that the company needs to be competitive and profitable to continue to pay wages.

Unions can be infiltrated by groups due to their membership, voting gets manipulated.

Bollocks - What sort of groups?

The membership is the "Union".

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A report into the alleged infiltration of the CFMEU by bikie gangs has found the construction union's efforts to rid itself of criminal elements were "inadequate".

The union's construction arm was placed into administration in August following allegations outlaw motorcycle gangs had infiltrated its branches, with bikies allegedly appointed as delegates on major projects, amid wider claims of bullying, intimidation and corrupt conduct.

A report commissioned by CFMEU leadership and carried out by respected barrister Geoffrey Watson SC has found bikies were still influential within the union and that EBA negotiations had become "vulnerable to corruption".

Thats all I'm going to say.

You shouldn't have even said that ....it's absolute bollocks that you should go straight for the CFMEU - the most militant & a huge exception to the rule in which most Unions operate.

It's all Union bashers can do.

Building industry management is also historically a great place to find criminality. Amazing how the most extreme Unions are all in industries where there is a history of employees dying due to business profit driven safety policies.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #125 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 9:00pm

Jasin wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 12:25pm:

You only have one Flag to represent Unionism in Australia, hence why all unions belong to THE UNION.

Nice of the Union to support the American poultry company Aviagen's occupation of Australia towards conquest, which refused using the Contract workers of the Australian Chicken Sexers Association by bringing in barefoot working South Koreans who were of poorer quality via backpacker visas for 6 months. The Union did this, because the 'imported' Asian workers became Union members, besides working for cheap American wages. The American Aviagen would hire only one local Australian as traineeship, but turf them after 6 months for another.

So the Union was with the American company, which would not pay Australian workers from the Association.

I also got to see Emails of the American company's aim to destroy the other Australian Poultry Companies in their conquest for 100% of the global market, from their current 90%. They had already claimed Inghams. Thankfully my talks with the likes of Biata and Steggles proved fruitful and the Australian Poultry Industry has put up a gaining fight against the American Company. Lucky we didn't sell Graincorp to America.
When I approached the (poultry) Union as if I was a pro- Unionist. They were glad to brag about how good it is for Unionism, to get rid of the Australian Contractors, as they are not Union members. I mentioned that the South Korean Chicken Sexers were walking barefoot in the workplace, he just huffed it as unimportant and a cultural thing. As long as they were forced to join the Union to get the work here for 6 months as fake backpackers, all was good. The look on his face, when he pushed the forms to me to join the Union was priceless! when I told him on my way out. "Sorry, but I'm a Confederate".

The Yankee Unionism here in Australia is not Australian.

I wanna know what drugs this guy is on.

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Reply #126 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 8:25am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 9:00pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 12:25pm:

You only have one Flag to represent Unionism in Australia, hence why all unions belong to THE UNION.

Nice of the Union to support the American poultry company Aviagen's occupation of Australia towards conquest, which refused using the Contract workers of the Australian Chicken Sexers Association by bringing in barefoot working South Koreans who were of poorer quality via backpacker visas for 6 months. The Union did this, because the 'imported' Asian workers became Union members, besides working for cheap American wages. The American Aviagen would hire only one local Australian as traineeship, but turf them after 6 months for another.

So the Union was with the American company, which would not pay Australian workers from the Association.

I also got to see Emails of the American company's aim to destroy the other Australian Poultry Companies in their conquest for 100% of the global market, from their current 90%. They had already claimed Inghams. Thankfully my talks with the likes of Biata and Steggles proved fruitful and the Australian Poultry Industry has put up a gaining fight against the American Company. Lucky we didn't sell Graincorp to America.
When I approached the (poultry) Union as if I was a pro- Unionist. They were glad to brag about how good it is for Unionism, to get rid of the Australian Contractors, as they are not Union members. I mentioned that the South Korean Chicken Sexers were walking barefoot in the workplace, he just huffed it as unimportant and a cultural thing. As long as they were forced to join the Union to get the work here for 6 months as fake backpackers, all was good. The look on his face, when he pushed the forms to me to join the Union was priceless! when I told him on my way out. "Sorry, but I'm a Confederate".

The Yankee Unionism here in Australia is not Australian.

I wanna know what drugs this guy is on.

Just his usual scab driven union bashing drivel.

Funny that he thinks the Eureka Flag has anything to do with the USA.

The Union movement gave him all the working conditions & above award wages that he got on the job..... that is when he had a job.

Doesn't seem to realise either that the Union movement also had a hand in the minimum living rates that people receive when they are on social security.

Ungrateful leaner.

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Reply #127 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 12:02pm

“ Hospitality is a high risk industry even in boom times unfortunately. It’s hard for hospitality businesses to pass on price rises compared to those in most other sectors. Consumers can easily ‘trade down’ to a cheaper venue or just eat at home,” he said.”

“ news.com

That’s a inescapable fact.
You have to wonder just how many coffee shops or restaurants one town needs?

They either need to be anchored to another venue or be exceptional to survive.

And that’s in the good times!

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Reply #128 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 12:34pm

Daves2017 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 12:02pm:

“ Hospitality is a high risk industry even in boom times unfortunately. It’s hard for hospitality businesses to pass on price rises compared to those in most other sectors. Consumers can easily ‘trade down’ to a cheaper venue or just eat at home,” he said.”

“ news.com

That’s a inescapable fact.
You have to wonder just how many coffee shops or restaurants one town needs?

They either need to be anchored to another venue or be exceptional to survive.

And that’s in the good times!

Not sure about this economic cycle, but I recall in one downturn decades ago, cafes were surprisingly booming. The reason, those who usually went out to restaurants would give up the restaurant meal, and substitute it for a cup of coffee and a muffin or something. That way they still feel like they're treating themselves with only a quarter of the expense.

I suspect that may no longer be the case as prices in many cafe's these days are as high, if not more, than in many restaurants ...

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Reply #129 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 12:37pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

What part of more money and more time did you not understand?

no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS

You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?

I'm sure you'll come up with something stupid

Travel expenses are a good example. Should a person be allowed to accept a job that pays just below minimum wages, if they have zero travel costs, when the alternative is a long, expensive commute for a minimum wage job?

Or what if the alternative is being on the dole because the unions have succeeded in denying them the right to work?

These are the sorts of real life problems that the unions don't care about when they get on their high horse and deny people the right to work.

Another is even simpler - should people be allowed to accept the job that they actually want to do, rather than only the jobs that some imbecile union thug thinks they should?

Gnads wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:44pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:36pm:

whiteknight wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:30pm:

There most certainly should be a minimum wage. Thank heavens for the good unions of Australia.

Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?

Freediver the shonky slave labour hire arsehole.

Why should bosses be in Unions & workers not?

Answer the question.

That's a pretty stupid question Gnads.

Gnads wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:47pm:

All you're doing is advocating for someone to be a scab & to take less to get their job.

This is a tired old mantra that the unions get their mindless cheerleaders to chant.

I am advocating that people be allowed to think for themselves, rather than have the unions do it for them. Because the unions ultimately serve themselves.

Gnads wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:50pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:47pm:

whiteknight wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:46pm:

I would prefer the person where ever they work, was paid no less than the minimum wage. Sad

Do you understand that if you deny people the right to work, they get paid nothing? You make them unemployed.

Now that you understand the consequences, would you like to have another go at answering? Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?

What makes you think the what you would prefer ought to over-ride what they prefer? Do you consider them to be incapable of thinking for themselves? After all, you do not know and do not care about their specific circumstances, but they do. They might even get paid less because of your actions, once you consider all the other costs you impose on them by denying them the right to choose for themselves.

People have the right to work for whatever they want. If you want you can register as a small business and clean peoples houses for $2hr, the only thing you can't do is employ someone else to do the same. Anyone can work for a low income if they need to survive. For some its easier to lean on the government than putting in the effort to survive.

When you earn less than the dole what would be the point in that sort of stupidity?

Who said anything about working for less than the dole Gnads?

Gnads wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:53pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

What part of more money and more time did you not understand?

no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS

You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?

So you want people to have 2 maybe 3 jobs to survive ... like they have to do in the US?

Again, not what I am saying Gnads.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:04pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

What part of more money and more time did you not understand?

no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS

You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?

Well they do stop people from earning less.

Lower minimum wages put downward pressure on all wages.

No they don't. More idiotic union mantras for the gullible.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #130 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 12:46pm

freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 12:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

What part of more money and more time did you not understand?

no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS

You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?

I'm sure you'll come up with something stupid

Travel expenses are a good example. Should a person be allowed to accept a job that pays just below minimum wages, if they have zero travel costs, when the alternative is a long, expensive commute for a minimum wage job?

These are the sorts of real life problems that the unions don't care about when they get on their high horse and deny people the right to work.

Another is even simpler - should people be allowed to accept the job that they actually want to do?

Gnads wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:44pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:36pm:

whiteknight wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:30pm:

There most certainly should be a minimum wage. Thank heavens for the good unions of Australia.

Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?

Freediver the shonky slave labour hire arsehole.

Why should bosses be in Unions & workers not?

Answer the question.

That's a pretty stupid question Gnads.

Gnads wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:47pm:

All you're doing is advocating for someone to be a scab & to take less to get their job.

This is a tired old mantra that the unions get their mindless cheerleaders to chant.

I am advocating that people be allowed to think for themselves, rather than have the unions do it for them.

Pensioners would be willing to work for less to do jobs that are too expensive for minimum wages. People with disabilities may find a low paying job that suits them.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74817 Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #131 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 1:32pm freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 12:37pm: Travel expenses are a good example. no they are not. And what of the person that has to travel and under your rules, accept a lower wage? if you had your way FD, employees would be paying their bosses for the privilege of working
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49202 At my desk.	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #132 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 1:43pm Quote: if you had your way FD, employees would be paying their bosses for the privilege of working Mindless union propaganda.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74817 Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #133 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 1:49pm freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 1:43pm: Quote: if you had your way FD, employees would be paying their bosses for the privilege of working Mindless union propaganda. I've never belonged to a union dumbarse
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