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Reply #15 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:48am

John Smith wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:38am:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:21am:

"Spreading the costs" does not make sense. They are not a charity. They are not there out of some sense of duty to serve you on a public holiday. I am sure the owners would rather keep whatever profits they make on other days. This is not less silly than asking the employees to donate part of their salary to cover the losses incurred.

so don't open. It's not that difficult.

How would you feel if the government placed arbitrary restrictions on your business that prevented you from working?

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Reply #16 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:53am

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:38am:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:21am:

"Spreading the costs" does not make sense. They are not a charity. They are not there out of some sense of duty to serve you on a public holiday. I am sure the owners would rather keep whatever profits they make on other days. This is not less silly than asking the employees to donate part of their salary to cover the losses incurred.

so don't open. It's not that difficult.

How would you feel if the government placed arbitrary restrictions on your business that prevented you from working?

Arbitrary??

I am rational, you are emotional, he is arbitrary.

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Reply #17 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:56am

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:38am:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:21am:

"Spreading the costs" does not make sense. They are not a charity. They are not there out of some sense of duty to serve you on a public holiday. I am sure the owners would rather keep whatever profits they make on other days. This is not less silly than asking the employees to donate part of their salary to cover the losses incurred.

so don't open. It's not that difficult.

How would you feel if the government placed arbitrary restrictions on your business that prevented you from working?

They have, I would have 250 people working for me but arbitrary restrictions on my business means it would not be profitable because I would have to pay them more than I would make. If I could pay $2 an hour I would make a killing.

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Reply #18 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 11:50am

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:38am:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:21am:

"Spreading the costs" does not make sense. They are not a charity. They are not there out of some sense of duty to serve you on a public holiday. I am sure the owners would rather keep whatever profits they make on other days. This is not less silly than asking the employees to donate part of their salary to cover the losses incurred.

so don't open. It's not that difficult.

How would you feel if the government placed arbitrary restrictions on your business that prevented you from working?

Well yes they are....if not don't open.

They're are more regulations/red tape to affect business operations bottom line than the payment of penalty rates on weekends & public holidays.

The suggestion that staff work it out with a small business boss about how they get paid is laughable as bosses belong to business associations(Unions of Employers) and their staff in the main are not in Unions. So they have no one to look after their best interests.

If they all had the ability to negotiate good wage outcomes.... then they surely wouldn't be working as a shop assistant.

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Reply #19 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 11:51am

Leroy wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:56am:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:38am:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:21am:

"Spreading the costs" does not make sense. They are not a charity. They are not there out of some sense of duty to serve you on a public holiday. I am sure the owners would rather keep whatever profits they make on other days. This is not less silly than asking the employees to donate part of their salary to cover the losses incurred.

so don't open. It's not that difficult.

How would you feel if the government placed arbitrary restrictions on your business that prevented you from working?

They have, I would have 250 people working for me but arbitrary restrictions on my business means it would not be profitable because I would have to pay them more than I would make. If I could pay $2 an hour I would make a killing.

Yeah righto Gina. Roll Eyes

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #20 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 11:52am

Leroy wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:56am:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:38am:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:21am:

"Spreading the costs" does not make sense. They are not a charity. They are not there out of some sense of duty to serve you on a public holiday. I am sure the owners would rather keep whatever profits they make on other days. This is not less silly than asking the employees to donate part of their salary to cover the losses incurred.

so don't open. It's not that difficult.

How would you feel if the government placed arbitrary restrictions on your business that prevented you from working?

They have, I would have 250 people working for me but arbitrary restrictions on my business means it would not be profitable because I would have to pay them more than I would make. If I could pay $2 an hour I would make a killing.

No you wouldn't. Who do you think would work for you for $2 per hour?

This is the myth promoted by the unions - that they, rather than market forces, are the real drivers of salary.

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So they have no one to look after their best interests.

Are you saying they are incapable of thinking for themselves?

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then they surely wouldn't be working as a shop assistant

The thing about being a shop assistant is, the skills are easily transferable to a large number of alternative employers.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74661 Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #21 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 12:32pm freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:48am: How would you feel if the government placed arbitrary restrictions on your business that prevented you from working? I don't have a problem with it. I pay wages and have no issue with paying people extra to work when I need them to.
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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 690 Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #22 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 12:55pm freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 11:52am: No you wouldn't. Who do you think would work for you for $2 per hour? The ones that would want their passports back but due to arbitrary restrictions on my business I'm not allowed to hold their passports.
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Reply #23 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 1:58pm

A reasonable responsible cafe or business owner would do their own due diligence and it is simple math that determines if opening on a PH is viable.

The business I worked in for a time was in a tourist area and the turn over on a public holiday was in the order of $15K on average higher than another day The max I seen was $22K. staff costs were easily made with several hundred % of profit on top.

I would imagine a cafe in a commercial area behind locked gates would make zero that day.

This guys restaurant is in Camberwell it is a very small cafe open Monday to Friday - closed Sat Sun and PH's..

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Reply #24 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 2:16pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 12:55pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 11:52am:

No you wouldn't. Who do you think would work for you for $2 per hour?

The ones that would want their passports back but due to arbitrary restrictions on my business I'm not allowed to hold their passports.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #25 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 2:50pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 12:32pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

How would you feel if the government placed arbitrary restrictions on your business that prevented you from working?

I don't have a problem with it. I pay wages and have no issue with paying people extra to work when I need them to.

Are you saying you would happily do jobs you lose money on because salaries are too high? Or did you just miss the point?

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Reply #26 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 3:57pm

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 8:31pm:

whiteknight wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

The good people of Australia love their public holidays. People that work them should get the penalty rates.

I’d like to expand on this thought.

Sunday penalty rates came too be as a result of people having to work on the day of Christian god call to rest.
So if you aren’t at church every Sunday you should be at work without penalty rates?

Not a Christian? Don’t believe in Jesus? Off to work you go every 25th December without any penalty rates.

Good bye Easter break oh non believer. You work and earn standard hourly rate.

Australian day!
Not a citizen? Work no penalty rates.
You object to the invasion of Australia by the British, don’t be a hypocrite. Work standard pay rate.

So your in favour of a republic and happy to celebrate the king’s birthday at work on normal pay!

Labor Day? Not in a union get in line and too your job, no penalty rates.

Well said Dave.

I've always said that those 'celebrity' Media pushing Republicans here who pipe up against Monarchists (not that the Monarchy, as Masters of Ceremony, have anything to do with Politics compared to the 'British' side) and Great Britain on the Flag...
...should be working without Penalty Rates on the Queen's or King's Birthday Public Holiday.

It's really just Unionism money grubbing at the cost of the Consumer Public. Everything the Union does for 'the worker' is on the backs of the Consumer/Public paying for it.

The thing about Union Workers is that you know they're in it for the money.
Great Employers know how to keep their best Staff without them needing parasitic Unionism cashing in between them.
It's no different to Employment Agency middle-men taking their cut from Employers for their 'hired' employees.

Personally, I've always told my new Employer (if I like them) that I'm not in the Union, but I am a Confederate. Which they like and laugh.

How can you tell a worker is a Yankee Unionist?
He takes 'da money' while the Confederate Worker is shagging his wife. Grin

I mean - when you're a 'worker', you're not 'rich'. Wink

So why be in the Union and think that you are. Grin

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #27 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 4:54pm

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I've always said that those 'celebrity' Media pushing Republicans here who pipe up against Monarchists (not that the Monarchy, as Masters of Ceremony, have anything to do with Politics compared to the 'British' side) and Great Britain on the Flag...
...should be working without Penalty Rates on the Queen's or King's Birthday Public Holiday.

They probably are.

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Reply #28 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 8:24pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

This guys restaurant is in Camberwell it is a very small cafe open Monday to Friday - closed Sat Sun and PH's..

That’s interesting. I wonder if his actually making more money than his business via his cafe owner influencer website?

What happens when you close on public holidays and your staff seek employment with a business that opens and therefore their wages improved.

Does this leave the duds working for business that can’t afford to pay for the busiest days?

What is your opinion on paying as a customer Sunday and public holiday surcharges?
Even if the venue is clearly doing a roaring trade on the day?

Edit- I dislike to ask a question without putting imo forward first.
I have no issue with it, I simply don’t tip.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #29 - Dec 28^th, 2024 at 8:29pm

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 8:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

This guys restaurant is in Camberwell it is a very small cafe open Monday to Friday - closed Sat Sun and PH's..

That’s interesting. I wonder if his actually making more money than his business via his cafe owner influencer website?

What happens when you close on public holidays and your staff seek employment with a business that opens and therefore their wages improved.

Does this leave the duds working for business that can’t afford to pay for the busiest days?

What is your opinion on paying as a customer Sunday and public holiday surcharges?
Even if the venue is clearly doing a roaring trade on the day?

I don't want to pay them, but I have no problem with the venue charging them.

Their business, their prices.

However, I think they should factor those charges into their prices over the course of the year.

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