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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46491 Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #45 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 5:25pm There should be no minimum wage. There should be no payroll tax. We are importing cheap labor - what's the point if you have to pay them inflated wages? It makes no sense to do both. Why bring in hundreds of thousands of third worlders for jobs 'Australians wouldn't do", then pay them Australian wages?
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48658 Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #46 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 5:35pm Cheap labour should get lower wages
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Reply #47 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:00pm

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 5:25pm:

There should be no payroll tax.

The truth does set us free!

My understanding is it’s a relic from ww2 tax?

It’s totally inappropriate today.
It actually penalised employers from hiring people who wish to work!

How’s that’s in our country best interests???

However both Albo and soon to be pm Duddo say nothing.

Both major parties are addicted to taxing everyone too the hilt and wasting our money how ever they wish!

Some politician step up and say they will remove this unfair tax and you will have my vote!

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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8198 melbourne Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #48 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:30pm There most certainly should be a minimum wage. Thank heavens for the good unions of Australia.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49074 At my desk.	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #49 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:36pm whiteknight wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:30pm: There most certainly should be a minimum wage. Thank heavens for the good unions of Australia. Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?
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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8198 melbourne Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #50 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:40pm The minimum wage is exactly that. Now if employers want to pay more, then yes please do so.
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Reply #51 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:42pm

whiteknight wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:40pm:

The minimum wage is exactly that. Now if employers want to pay more, then yes please do so.

Are you having difficulty understanding the question?

Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?

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Reply #52 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:46pm

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 5:25pm:

There should be no minimum wage. There should be no payroll tax.

We are importing cheap labor - what's the point if you have to pay them inflated wages? It makes no sense to do both. Why bring in hundreds of thousands of third worlders for jobs 'Australians wouldn't do", then pay them Australian wages?

Because people who work in Australia get paid Australian wages.

It has nothing to do with nationality, gender, or where you were born.

When you work in Australia, you get paid according to Australian legislation.

Why would anybody object to that?

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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8198 melbourne Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #53 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:46pm I would prefer the person where ever they work, was paid no less than the minimum wage.
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Reply #54 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:47pm

whiteknight wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:46pm:

I would prefer the person where ever they work, was paid no less than the minimum wage. Sad

Do you understand that if you deny people the right to work, they get paid nothing? You make them unemployed.

Now that you understand the consequences, would you like to have another go at answering? Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?

What makes you think the what you would prefer ought to over-ride what they prefer? Do you consider them to be incapable of thinking for themselves? After all, you do not know and do not care about their specific circumstances, but they do. They might even get paid less because of your actions, once you consider all the other costs you impose on them by denying them the right to choose for themselves.

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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8198 melbourne Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #55 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:51pm No they should not work for less than the minimum wage.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49074 At my desk.	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #56 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:53pm whiteknight wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:51pm: No they should not work for less than the minimum wage. Even if they end up with more money and more time at the end of the day? Why do you think you have the right to deny them that choice?
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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8198 melbourne Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #57 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:55pm Because people shouldn't have to work for a bowl of rice a day.
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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #58 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:57pm

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 5:25pm:

There should be no minimum wage. There should be no payroll tax.

We are importing cheap labor - what's the point if you have to pay them inflated wages? It makes no sense to do both. Why bring in hundreds of thousands of third worlders for jobs 'Australians wouldn't do", then pay them Australian wages?

So, if they aren't paid Australian wages I assume you don't want them to pay high Australian rents.

They shouldn't pay exorbitant Australian grocery prices.

They don't need to obey road rules, or any other Australian laws.

If they are exempt from Australian legislation regarding wages and working conditions, then they should be exempt from all Australian legislation, rules, codes, regulations, practices and customs - yeah?

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Reply #59 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:00pm

I remember back in the 1990s in Melbourne -

a sweat shop was closed down that employed Asian workers
in the textile industry - mostly doing sewing with sewing machines -
and they were paid only $2 an hour.
The employer had taken their passports and many were overstayers
on holiday visas working illegally.

It probably still goes on today.

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