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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #60 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:00pm:

I remember back in the 1990s in Melbourne -

a sweat shop was closed down that employed Asian workers
in the textile industry - mostly doing sewing with sewing machines -
and they were paid only $2 an hour.
The employer had taken their passports and many were overstayers
on holiday visas working illegally.

It probably still goes on today.

And Frank's okay with that.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #61 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:53pm:

whiteknight wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

No they should not work for less than the minimum wage. Sad

Even if they end up with more money and more time at the end of the day?

Why do you think you have the right to deny them that choice?

whiteknight wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:55pm:

Because people shouldn't have to work for a bowl of rice a day. Sad

Were you responding to my question? What part of more money and more time did you not understand? Do you have to hand over your empathy for other people when you sign up to a union? Is it now inconceivable for you that people might want something other than what the unions have to offer?

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #62 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:00pm:

I remember back in the 1990s in Melbourne -

a sweat shop was closed down that employed Asian workers
in the textile industry - mostly doing sewing with sewing machines -
and they were paid only $2 an hour.
The employer had taken their passports and many were overstayers
on holiday visas working illegally.

It probably still goes on today.

And Frank's okay with that.

Is he?

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #63 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:00pm:

I remember back in the 1990s in Melbourne -

a sweat shop was closed down that employed Asian workers
in the textile industry - mostly doing sewing with sewing machines -
and they were paid only $2 an hour.
The employer had taken their passports and many were overstayers
on holiday visas working illegally.

It probably still goes on today.

And Frank's okay with that.

Is he?

Absolutely.

He's all for exploiting foreign workers.

"We are importing cheap labor - what's the point if you have to pay them inflated wages? It makes no sense to do both. Why bring in hundreds of thousands of third worlders for jobs 'Australians wouldn't do", then pay them Australian wages?"

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #64 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:00pm:

I remember back in the 1990s in Melbourne -

a sweat shop was closed down that employed Asian workers
in the textile industry - mostly doing sewing with sewing machines -
and they were paid only $2 an hour.
The employer had taken their passports and many were overstayers
on holiday visas working illegally.

It probably still goes on today.

And Frank's okay with that.

Is he?

Absolutely.

He's all for exploiting foreign workers.

"We are importing cheap labor - what's the point if you have to pay them inflated wages? It makes no sense to do both. Why bring in hundreds of thousands of third worlders for jobs 'Australians wouldn't do", then pay them Australian wages?"

OK - $2 an hour it is.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #65 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:39pm

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:47pm:

whiteknight wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:46pm:

I would prefer the person where ever they work, was paid no less than the minimum wage. Sad

Do you understand that if you deny people the right to work, they get paid nothing? You make them unemployed.

Now that you understand the consequences, would you like to have another go at answering? Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?

What makes you think the what you would prefer ought to over-ride what they prefer? Do you consider them to be incapable of thinking for themselves? After all, you do not know and do not care about their specific circumstances, but they do. They might even get paid less because of your actions, once you consider all the other costs you impose on them by denying them the right to choose for themselves.

People have the right to work for whatever they want. If you want you can register as a small business and clean peoples houses for $2hr, the only thing you can't do is employ someone else to do the same. Anyone can work for a low income if they need to survive. For some its easier to lean on the government than putting in the effort to survive.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58622 Here Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #66 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 9:13pm Jasin wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 5:35pm: Cheap labour should get lower wages The minimum wage is a low wage. In fact it is the low wage and it is real cheap.
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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #67 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 9:15pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:47pm:

whiteknight wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:46pm:

I would prefer the person where ever they work, was paid no less than the minimum wage. Sad

Do you understand that if you deny people the right to work, they get paid nothing? You make them unemployed.

Now that you understand the consequences, would you like to have another go at answering? Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?

What makes you think the what you would prefer ought to over-ride what they prefer? Do you consider them to be incapable of thinking for themselves? After all, you do not know and do not care about their specific circumstances, but they do. They might even get paid less because of your actions, once you consider all the other costs you impose on them by denying them the right to choose for themselves.

People have the right to work for whatever they want. If you want you can register as a small business and clean peoples houses for $2hr, the only thing you can't do is employ someone else to do the same. Anyone can work for a low income if they need to survive. For some its easier to lean on the government than putting in the effort to survive.

Working for $2 an hour you probably are not going to survive.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #69 - Dec 29^th, 2024 at 9:42pm

Jasin wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 9:17pm:

Cheap Asian labour should get lower pays. Especially when it takes a whole Asian family to change a lightbulb.

In most countries including Australia and the USA Asians clean up all the academic awards ?

Seems to be a distance between your opinions and the known facts.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #70 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:33am

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 2:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 12:32pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

How would you feel if the government placed arbitrary restrictions on your business that prevented you from working?

I don't have a problem with it. I pay wages and have no issue with paying people extra to work when I need them to.

Are you saying you would happily do jobs you lose money on because salaries are too high? Or did you just miss the point?

I'm saying I have no problem paying people penalty rates if I decide to open on a public holiday. The only point I missed is the one that you run away from. Nowhere is it written that I am to be guaranteed to make a profit each and every day I open. It is up to me to decide if it is worthwhile or not.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #71 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:36am

Carl D wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

I remember when most shops in the city closed at 12 noon Saturday and didn't open again until Monday morning.

Closed until Tuesday morning if it was a long weekend with a Monday holiday.

AND the BUSINESS OWNERS pushed for their trading hours to be expanded knowing penalty rates were a thing and now they're the ones crying penalty rates prevent them making a profit on those days.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #73 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:55am

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

What part of more money and more time did you not understand?

no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS

You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #74 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:58am

freediver wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

What part of more money and more time did you not understand?

no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS

You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?

I can, attitude towards your job.

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