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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #75 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:00am

Leroy wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:58am:

freediver wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

What part of more money and more time did you not understand?

no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS

You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?

I can, attitude towards your job.

I meant a bit more directly than that.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #76 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:35am

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:36am:

Carl D wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

I remember when most shops in the city closed at 12 noon Saturday and didn't open again until Monday morning.

Closed until Tuesday morning if it was a long weekend with a Monday holiday.

AND the BUSINESS OWNERS pushed for their trading hours to be expanded knowing penalty rates were a thing and now they're the ones crying penalty rates prevent them making a profit on those days.

Cheesy

That’s a interesting point!

Could the real issue here be management is simply hopeless and want to pay workers less to make up for their own lack of business skills?

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #77 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:36am

freediver wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:00am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:58am:

freediver wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

What part of more money and more time did you not understand?

no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS

You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?

I can, attitude towards your job.

I meant a bit more directly than that.

If you wanted to work more hours but your employer wont give you more hours because they have to pay penalties rates for more hours so they don't allow you more hours.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #78 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:38am

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:35am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:36am:

Carl D wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

I remember when most shops in the city closed at 12 noon Saturday and didn't open again until Monday morning.

Closed until Tuesday morning if it was a long weekend with a Monday holiday.

AND the BUSINESS OWNERS pushed for their trading hours to be expanded knowing penalty rates were a thing and now they're the ones crying penalty rates prevent them making a profit on those days.

Cheesy

That’s a interesting point!

Could the real issue here be management is simply hopeless and want to pay workers less to make up for their own lack of business skills?

At the same time workers are simply hopeless at business and rely on business owners to employ them because they can't make money without relying on someone else to do all the hard work.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #79 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 10:41am

Leroy wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:38am:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:35am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:36am:

Carl D wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

I remember when most shops in the city closed at 12 noon Saturday and didn't open again until Monday morning.

Closed until Tuesday morning if it was a long weekend with a Monday holiday.

AND the BUSINESS OWNERS pushed for their trading hours to be expanded knowing penalty rates were a thing and now they're the ones crying penalty rates prevent them making a profit on those days.

Cheesy

That’s a interesting point!

Could the real issue here be management is simply hopeless and want to pay workers less to make up for their own lack of business skills?

At the same time workers are simply hopeless at business and rely on business owners to employ them because they can't make money without relying on someone else to do all the hard work.

In the majority of businesses the workers are responsible for virtually all the profit which is gained in spite of management not because of it. The most common result of management getting involved in the day to day activity in the business results in lost productivity. Management tend to get in the way of the people who know how to do the job. Management have a different function.

It isn't the workers who have a friday afternoon tee time booked each week or 3 hour lunch breaks.

Never seen a business that didn't hit peak productivity on days when the Manager is away.

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #80 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 3:47pm

freediver wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

What part of more money and more time did you not understand?

no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS

You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?

I'm sure you'll come up with something stupid

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #81 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 3:48pm

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:35am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:36am:

Carl D wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

I remember when most shops in the city closed at 12 noon Saturday and didn't open again until Monday morning.

Closed until Tuesday morning if it was a long weekend with a Monday holiday.

AND the BUSINESS OWNERS pushed for their trading hours to be expanded knowing penalty rates were a thing and now they're the ones crying penalty rates prevent them making a profit on those days.

Cheesy

That’s a interesting point!

Could the real issue here be management is simply hopeless and want to pay workers less to make up for their own lack of business skills?

a bit of that, a large part however is GREED

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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #82 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 4:35pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:38am:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:35am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:36am:

Carl D wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

I remember when most shops in the city closed at 12 noon Saturday and didn't open again until Monday morning.

Closed until Tuesday morning if it was a long weekend with a Monday holiday.

AND the BUSINESS OWNERS pushed for their trading hours to be expanded knowing penalty rates were a thing and now they're the ones crying penalty rates prevent them making a profit on those days.

Cheesy

That’s a interesting point!

Could the real issue here be management is simply hopeless and want to pay workers less to make up for their own lack of business skills?

At the same time workers are simply hopeless at business and rely on business owners to employ them because they can't make money without relying on someone else to do all the hard work.

Without employees to work for them, most businesses would go bust.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49009 Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #83 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 4:40pm Is it just me? Or is Smith just a Johnny come lately to this topic?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74824 Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #84 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 4:49pm Keep proving why you are a moron
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49009 Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #85 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 4:55pm Because I came last and you came first on the Moron podium 🏅? Maybe I was running late on that one? Oh, my bad.😏
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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #86 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:38pm

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 10:10am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 11:52am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:56am:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:38am:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2024 at 10:21am:

"Spreading the costs" does not make sense. They are not a charity. They are not there out of some sense of duty to serve you on a public holiday. I am sure the owners would rather keep whatever profits they make on other days. This is not less silly than asking the employees to donate part of their salary to cover the losses incurred.

so don't open. It's not that difficult.

How would you feel if the government placed arbitrary restrictions on your business that prevented you from working?

They have, I would have 250 people working for me but arbitrary restrictions on my business means it would not be profitable because I would have to pay them more than I would make. If I could pay $2 an hour I would make a killing.

No you wouldn't. Who do you think would work for you for $2 per hour?

This is the myth promoted by the unions - that they, rather than market forces, are the real drivers of salary.

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So they have no one to look after their best interests.

Are you saying they are incapable of thinking for themselves?

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then they surely wouldn't be working as a shop assistant

The thing about being a shop assistant is, the skills are easily transferable to a large number of alternative employers.

It's not a myth - and it wasn't $2 per hour.

It was $2 per day .... quoted by Gina Rinehart in 2012.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-05/rinehart-says-aussie-workers-overpaid-unp...

And?

Are you going to take those African countries to court because you think they are underpaying their staff?

She speaks the truth. Though it is more about China at the moment. Lifting a billion Chinese people out of poverty has stagnated wages for the western middle class. And you cannot legislate against it. Why do you think we don't make cars here any more? But we can make a half decent latte.

What a dopey statement ... especially for you.

Gina doesn't speak the truth.

She is wealthy by inheritance & has been a middle man for the Chinese in ventures in accessing property all over the country.

Are you hoping she & others will bring about a reduction in Australian wages & lifestyle to be on a level equaling 3rd world/developing countries?

Whilst she & others remain billionaires & wouldn't have a phukkin clue about doing it tough.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29775 Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #87 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:42pm Jasin wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 5:35pm: Cheap labour should get lower wages You're cheap .... but you take what is won by others & don't contribute ... What's that make you again?
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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #88 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:44pm

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:36pm:

whiteknight wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:30pm:

There most certainly should be a minimum wage. Thank heavens for the good unions of Australia.

Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?

Freediver the shonky slave labour hire arsehole.

Why should bosses be in Unions & workers not?

Answer the question.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 84928 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #89 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:44pm Might be down visiting a house-bound mate on NYD - three old bastards to the RSL(sold off) some restaurant for a coffee -I don't mind paying a bit extra as long as I get a decent coffee. Bit of time out for the old bastard.
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