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Reply #90 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:46pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 5:25pm:

There should be no minimum wage. There should be no payroll tax.

We are importing cheap labor - what's the point if you have to pay them inflated wages? It makes no sense to do both. Why bring in hundreds of thousands of third worlders for jobs 'Australians wouldn't do", then pay them Australian wages?

Because people who work in Australia get paid Australian wages.

It has nothing to do with nationality, gender, or where you were born.

When you work in Australia, you get paid according to Australian legislation.

Why would anybody object to that?

Greedy bastards always do.

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Reply #91 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:47pm

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:47pm:

whiteknight wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:46pm:

I would prefer the person where ever they work, was paid no less than the minimum wage. Sad

Do you understand that if you deny people the right to work, they get paid nothing? You make them unemployed.

Now that you understand the consequences, would you like to have another go at answering? Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?

What makes you think the what you would prefer ought to over-ride what they prefer? Do you consider them to be incapable of thinking for themselves? After all, you do not know and do not care about their specific circumstances, but they do. They might even get paid less because of your actions, once you consider all the other costs you impose on them by denying them the right to choose for themselves.

All you're doing is advocating for someone to be a scab & to take less to get their job.

Oh & help the boss pay less to make more profit for greedy shareholders/investors like you.

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Reply #92 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 5:25pm:

There should be no minimum wage. There should be no payroll tax.

We are importing cheap labor - what's the point if you have to pay them inflated wages? It makes no sense to do both. Why bring in hundreds of thousands of third worlders for jobs 'Australians wouldn't do", then pay them Australian wages?

So, if they aren't paid Australian wages I assume you don't want them to pay high Australian rents.

They shouldn't pay exorbitant Australian grocery prices.

They don't need to obey road rules, or any other Australian laws.

If they are exempt from Australian legislation regarding wages and working conditions, then they should be exempt from all Australian legislation, rules, codes, regulations, practices and customs - yeah?

Correct.

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Reply #93 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:50pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:47pm:

whiteknight wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 7:46pm:

I would prefer the person where ever they work, was paid no less than the minimum wage. Sad

Do you understand that if you deny people the right to work, they get paid nothing? You make them unemployed.

Now that you understand the consequences, would you like to have another go at answering? Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?

What makes you think the what you would prefer ought to over-ride what they prefer? Do you consider them to be incapable of thinking for themselves? After all, you do not know and do not care about their specific circumstances, but they do. They might even get paid less because of your actions, once you consider all the other costs you impose on them by denying them the right to choose for themselves.

People have the right to work for whatever they want. If you want you can register as a small business and clean peoples houses for $2hr, the only thing you can't do is employ someone else to do the same. Anyone can work for a low income if they need to survive. For some its easier to lean on the government than putting in the effort to survive.

When you earn less than the dole what would be the point in that sort of stupidity?

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Reply #94 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:53pm

freediver wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

What part of more money and more time did you not understand?

no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS

You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?

So you want people to have 2 maybe 3 jobs to survive ... like they have to do in the US?

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Reply #95 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:55pm

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:35am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:36am:

Carl D wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

I remember when most shops in the city closed at 12 noon Saturday and didn't open again until Monday morning.

Closed until Tuesday morning if it was a long weekend with a Monday holiday.

AND the BUSINESS OWNERS pushed for their trading hours to be expanded knowing penalty rates were a thing and now they're the ones crying penalty rates prevent them making a profit on those days.

Cheesy

That’s a interesting point!

Could the real issue here be management is simply hopeless and want to pay workers less to make up for their own lack of business skills?

Fair chance ..... but Freediver supports this type of employer.

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Reply #96 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:55pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:36am:

Carl D wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

I remember when most shops in the city closed at 12 noon Saturday and didn't open again until Monday morning.

Closed until Tuesday morning if it was a long weekend with a Monday holiday.

AND the BUSINESS OWNERS pushed for their trading hours to be expanded knowing penalty rates were a thing and now they're the ones crying penalty rates prevent them making a profit on those days.

Cheesy

100% correct observation/statement

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Reply #97 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:58pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:38am:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:35am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:36am:

Carl D wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

I remember when most shops in the city closed at 12 noon Saturday and didn't open again until Monday morning.

Closed until Tuesday morning if it was a long weekend with a Monday holiday.

AND the BUSINESS OWNERS pushed for their trading hours to be expanded knowing penalty rates were a thing and now they're the ones crying penalty rates prevent them making a profit on those days.

Cheesy

That’s a interesting point!

Could the real issue here be management is simply hopeless and want to pay workers less to make up for their own lack of business skills?

At the same time workers are simply hopeless at business and rely on business owners to employ them because they can't make money without relying on someone else to do all the hard work.

So what? That's how it's always been .... so are you denigrating these workers?

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29775 Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #98 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:59pm Jasin wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 4:40pm: Is it just me? Or is Smith just a Johnny come lately to this topic? It doesn't matter ... his input so far has been correct.
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Reply #100 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:57pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 7:44pm:

Might be down visiting a house-bound mate on NYD - three old bastards to the RSL(sold off) some restaurant for a coffee -I don't mind paying a bit extra as long as I get a decent coffee. Bit of time out for the old bastard.

Last week had a choice of getting a coffee at one of two locations. My grandaughter insisted we go to one little restaurant and not the cafe next to the food court.

This cost me $36 for a half dozen chips and the worst coffee ever made by man or beast. Down stairs I would have got a decent coffee for about half the price.

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Reply #101 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:04pm

freediver wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 6:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 29^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

What part of more money and more time did you not understand?

no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS

You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?

Well they do stop people from earning less.

Lower minimum wages put downward pressure on all wages.

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Reply #102 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:16pm

The guy behind this story has at least two businesses, One is closed till the new year the other only opens Mon to Friday excluding PH's. He is not affected by penalty rates at all, he does not pay them. There are business models,locations and industries where working Public Holidays is difficult to justify. This comes down to management decision making based on things like customer demand and the choice of the business structure.

Examples are businesses in low PH demand locations.
High profile (exclusive) restaurants with high paid staff and a high number of staff. (almost the only genuine example and the structure is a management choice)
Businesses with no day to day demand. Factory that won't increase turn over on a PH. etc.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58782 Here Gender:	Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays Reply #103 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:20pm Jasin wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:10pm: Maybe we should all work directly for the Union? I'm sure they'll pay a motza. Most UNIONS push for a fair and reasonable wage. They understand that the company needs to be competitive and profitable to continue to pay wages.
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Re: Cafe Owner Frustration At Public Holidays
Reply #104 - Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:47pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 9:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 30^th, 2024 at 8:10pm:

Maybe we should all work directly for the Union?
I'm sure they'll pay a motza.

Most UNIONS push for a fair and reasonable wage. They understand that the company needs to be competitive and profitable to continue to pay wages.

Unions can be infiltrated by groups due to their membership, voting gets manipulated.

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