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Reply #30 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 1:30pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 11:23am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 10:57am:

All opinions from farmers and locals....Experts dispute these scare campaigns which are pushed by the fossil fuel industry....Whilst chemicals from some solar panels are a concern it is lees than burning fossil fuels....Do you have any scientific research to support your claim solar panels are dangerous for the enviroment compared to fossil fuel???

Huh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-01-17/are-some-solar-panels-toxic-/100757...

What post are you referring to, i don't remember making those claims.

You claimed solar panels are bad for the environment....So tell us how safe and cheap nuclear waste is dickhead???

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Reply #31 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 1:35pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 1:30pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 11:23am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 10:57am:

All opinions from farmers and locals....Experts dispute these scare campaigns which are pushed by the fossil fuel industry....Whilst chemicals from some solar panels are a concern it is lees than burning fossil fuels....Do you have any scientific research to support your claim solar panels are dangerous for the enviroment compared to fossil fuel???

Huh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-01-17/are-some-solar-panels-toxic-/100757...

What post are you referring to, i don't remember making those claims.

You claimed solar panels are bad for the environment....So tell us how safe and cheap nuclear waste is dickhead???

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Just post the claim I made, in full.

Other than that its pointless.

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Re: Dutton's Nuclear Bet Relies On Coal Plants
Reply #32 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 1:44pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:16pm:

The big concern with the solar panels destroyed by hail was the toxic chemicals that were leaking into the environment which cause cancer.

Here you go....Claiming toxic chemicals from solar panels are causing cancer....Were is the evidence and how does it stack up against Nuclear waste???

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Re: Dutton's Nuclear Bet Relies On Coal Plants
Reply #33 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 1:49pm

lee wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:33pm:

cries about chemicals that might leak from solar panels but thinks that nuclear is safe

You mean chemicals that WILL leach out of broken solar panels vs something nuclear, but not specific? How very scientific of you Guido. Grin

I would say he was talking about Nuclear Waste....So how does Nuclear waste compare to toxic chemicals from solar panels in cost, disposal and causing cancer???

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Most of the materials in a solar panel can be recycled. Taking a panel apart for recycling should only be attempted by a professional and takes time. You may have to pay a recycling fee.

Some states and territories have banned solar panels and other e-waste from landfill.

https://www.energy.gov.au/solar/use-your-solar-system/replace-and-recycle-your-s...

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Re: Dutton's Nuclear Bet Relies On Coal Plants
Reply #34 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 1:54pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 1:44pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:16pm:

The big concern with the solar panels destroyed by hail was the toxic chemicals that were leaking into the environment which cause cancer.

Here you go....Claiming toxic chemicals from solar panels are causing cancer....Were is the evidence and how does it stack up against Nuclear waste???

Huh

Maybe you should watch the video, if you did you would see the reporter reporting on the damage and people saying that they are concerned about chemicals that cause cancer leaking into the environment.

I can't spell it out any simpler. I was not the person being interviewed or making the claims.

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Re: Dutton's Nuclear Bet Relies On Coal Plants
Reply #35 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 1:58pm

lee wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:33pm:

cries about chemicals that might leak from solar panels but thinks that nuclear is safe

You mean chemicals that WILL leach out of broken solar panels vs something nuclear, but not specific? How very scientific of you Guido. Grin

don't need to be specific. Nuclear is dangerous. From it's creation, to it's use, to it's waste storage. Thats why idiots like you aren't allowed to touch it and why they go to so much effort to contain it.

On the other hand, no one has ever stopped me from handling or going near my solar panels Cheesy

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Re: Dutton's Nuclear Bet Relies On Coal Plants
Reply #36 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 2:04pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 1:58pm:

lee wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:33pm:

cries about chemicals that might leak from solar panels but thinks that nuclear is safe

You mean chemicals that WILL leach out of broken solar panels vs something nuclear, but not specific? How very scientific of you Guido. Grin

don't need to be specific. Nuclear is dangerous. From it's creation, to it's use, to it's waste storage. Thats why idiots like you aren't allowed to touch it and why they go to so much effort to contain it.

On the other hand, no one has ever stopped me from handling or going near my solar panels Cheesy

Be careful, your shadow could reduce the output of your panels. Stay down low and approach from the non sunny side.

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Re: Dutton's Nuclear Bet Relies On Coal Plants
Reply #38 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 3:30pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 2:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 1:58pm:

lee wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:33pm:

cries about chemicals that might leak from solar panels but thinks that nuclear is safe

You mean chemicals that WILL leach out of broken solar panels vs something nuclear, but not specific? How very scientific of you Guido. Grin

don't need to be specific. Nuclear is dangerous. From it's creation, to it's use, to it's waste storage. Thats why idiots like you aren't allowed to touch it and why they go to so much effort to contain it.

On the other hand, no one has ever stopped me from handling or going near my solar panels Cheesy

Be careful, your shadow could reduce the output of your panels. Stay down low and approach from the non sunny side.

it's nowhere near as dangerous as it would be if they ever let idiots like you or Lee near a nuclear power plant

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Re: Dutton's Nuclear Bet Relies On Coal Plants
Reply #39 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 3:30pm

lee wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 2:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 1:58pm:

On the other hand, no one has ever stopped me from handling or going near my solar panels

Oh, Are your solar panels broken then? Never mind. Grin

how do come up with that conclusion?

Go on, show everyone what an utter moron you are. Grin

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Reply #40 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 5:19pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 3:30pm:

Go on, show everyone what an utter moron you are.

lee wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 1:33pm:

cries about chemicals that might leak from solar panels but thinks that nuclear is safe

You mean chemicals that WILL leach out of broken solar panels vs something nuclear, but not specific? How very scientific of you Guido. Grin

So tell us what you didn't understand about broken solar panels leaching, Roll Eyes

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Reply #41 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 8:52pm

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Problem here is that Coal Plants rely on Coal Mines. Both tunnel mazes and or open cut mines.

Both types of mine result in less stable geology in the region. The last place you should be putting nuclear plants.

The attraction of these locations is that its cheaper because the previous infrastructure is in place, that is the additional risk is overshadowed by the cost advantage.

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Re: Dutton's Nuclear Bet Relies On Coal Plants
Reply #42 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 12:50pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 8:52pm:

Both types of mine result in less stable geology in the region.

How do open cut mines lead to less stable geology?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 8:52pm:

The last place you should be putting nuclear plants.

So what haven't you learned about shock mounts for unstable ground? It is a tried ans successful method of stopping the potential of landslides to do damage.? Roll Eyes

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 8:52pm:

The attraction of these locations is that its cheaper because the previous infrastructure is in place, that is the additional risk is overshadowed by the cost advantage.

You haven't shown any additional risk. But perhaps you can point to a peer-reviewed publication?

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Reply #43 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 1:48pm

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What are mine subsidence districts?

Mine Subsidence Districts are areas that can potentially be affected by ground movement as a result of underground mining, particularly coal mining. Structures within these districts must adhere to building guidelines so they can withstand ground movement.

These controls are overseen and implemented by the Mine Subsidence Board (MSB). When buying a property, the purchaser is notified that they are buying in a Mine Subsidence District at the time of purchase.

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Reply #44 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 2:02pm

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Guidelines for the assessment of geotechnical risks in open pit mines
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This guidance material is concerned with the assessment of geotechnical risks associated with the development, operation and rehabilitation of an open pit mine within Victoria. Large mines which are considered to have significant ground stability risks to public safety, the environment, land, property or surrounding infrastructure may be declared by the Minister under the Mineral Resources (Sustainable Development) Act 1990 (MRSDA).

Declared mines are required to regularly submit reviews of stability assessments to the Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions (the department) Earth Resources Regulation unit. The ongoing review of the Ground Control Management Plan (GCMP) is critical to the management of geotechnical risks on these large and complex sites. Declared mine stability requirements and processes are provided in Part 2 of Schedule 15 in the Mineral Resources (Sustainable Development) (Mineral Industries) Regulations 2019.

https://resources.vic.gov.au/legislation-and-regulations/guidelines-and-codes-of...

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