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Reply #15 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 7:28pm
 

This is one of the funniest half-baked conspiracy theories I've seen.

I think Antony Green said it best:

"The Cairns News is not a media outlet. It's a conspiracy theory outlet."
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Reply #17 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 8:28pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 7:06pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 12:27pm:
Maybe we should go to the 3rd Umpire on this?


Look - they needed their half-wit Dutch Socialist to set fire to the Reichstag - nobody GAF about Bryant and most assume him guilty.

An extraordinary performance for a guy with a very low IQ, and one likely to be easily lead in interrogation and susceptible to being offered a 'deal' that was a lie...

It happened with a retread in WA - repeatedly the cops dragged him in and he got used to just signing a piece of paper so he could go home again - until they grabbed him for alleged sexual assault - he had no idea what was going on, signed the paper and ended up in prison. Later released. 

Amazing stories were made up after Bryant pleaded guilty (for whatever reason he did, and many say he was pressured to do so) - apparently he grabbed the steering wheel of his benefactor's car to run it off the road and kill her (but clearly not himself, DUH) - and similar fantasies created by some 'journalist' down there... all showing him in a bad light.

Reading that book was enough to raise a red flag with me... once these kinds of pub stories with no foundation put in an appearance and become 'fact' on repetition it raises the antennae - and I think this entire case should be re-visited.

It was Tasmanian two-headed justice, after all...


And why wouldn’t you have a Royal Commission?

find out why specific events happened

work out who is accountable

make findings and recommend changes to policies and laws.

Little Johnnie Howard killed any thought of a Royal Commission - took it upon himself to take Australians guns - and has sealed the case for at least 75 years… i wonder why  Undecided

The same guy who left Australian soldiers in Iraq even though he knew there were NO weapons of “mass” destruction.. and standing by the “allies” who murdered at least a minimum or a MILLION innocent Iraqis  Sad

Who could ever trust this little weasel?
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Reply #18 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 8:39pm
 
SerialBrain9 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 8:28pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 7:06pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 12:27pm:
Maybe we should go to the 3rd Umpire on this?


Look - they needed their half-wit Dutch Socialist to set fire to the Reichstag - nobody GAF about Bryant and most assume him guilty.

An extraordinary performance for a guy with a very low IQ, and one likely to be easily lead in interrogation and susceptible to being offered a 'deal' that was a lie...

It happened with a retread in WA - repeatedly the cops dragged him in and he got used to just signing a piece of paper so he could go home again - until they grabbed him for alleged sexual assault - he had no idea what was going on, signed the paper and ended up in prison. Later released. 

Amazing stories were made up after Bryant pleaded guilty (for whatever reason he did, and many say he was pressured to do so) - apparently he grabbed the steering wheel of his benefactor's car to run it off the road and kill her (but clearly not himself, DUH) - and similar fantasies created by some 'journalist' down there... all showing him in a bad light.

Reading that book was enough to raise a red flag with me... once these kinds of pub stories with no foundation put in an appearance and become 'fact' on repetition it raises the antennae - and I think this entire case should be re-visited.

It was Tasmanian two-headed justice, after all...


And why wouldn’t you have a Royal Commission?



Well, because we already know what happened and the perpetrator is behind bars.

Case closed.

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Reply #19 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 8:46pm
 
chimera wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 7:50pm:


That is the roundup by the prosecution after Bryant was persuaded to plead guilty, which he did for whatever reason, not direct testimony.  All this does is lay out the Crown's case - not the evidence, which, due to his pleading guilty for whatever reason - was not presented.

Interesting - Bryant was interviewed over two months after the alleged events, had no solicitor present, the cops told him the interview had been cleared with the solicitor, he was uncomfortably seated (SOP), in pain from his injuries, was hungry, needed a drink, wanted to do or say anything to get out of that jail, did not recognise one of the firearms shown to him or a gym bag, denies owning handcuffs or killing anyone, is bemused as to what he thought was a single charge of murdering someone, discussed a fantasy of hijacking a car and putting the owner in the boot etc, but nothing to do with Seascape other than visiting and knocking, denies any hostility with Seascape owners, makes no comment to that point about being at Broadarrow that day, says he target shot two rounds that day of 5.56  at cans after loading ten rounds thus leaving eight, vaguely recalls an explosion and fire, but cannot clearly say what caused those....

An AR-10 is similar in appearance to the FN used by Australia for years, with an ordinary stock and a straight ten round magazine of 7.62 NATO.  Apparently that rifle was left at Bryant's home with a bunch of ammunition in the hallway ... yet he was asked to recognise a similar weapon which was burnt as being one he had that day.

And that's only halfway through the transcript of his interview by police, who lead and lead, and make suggestions which he denies.

I think this case needs a re-visit.  an honest interview with Bryant would be a good start... by an experienced and impartial judge, say .....
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Reply #20 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 8:56pm
 
Below are some findings by other authors and experts, including the police themselves, which upon reading may cause you some concern.

Firstly some questions that have been asked:

On the Sunday morning, two hours before the murders, ten of the senior managers of Port Arthur were taken to safety many miles away up the east coast, for a two day seminar with a vague agenda and no visiting speakers.
Was the timing of this trip a mere coincidence?

Also just before the shootings the only two policemen in the region were called away on a wild goose chase. They were sent to the Coal Mine at Salt Water River, to investigate a heroin drug stash which turned out to be soap powder.

This was too far for them to get to the Broad Arrow Cafe in time to be of any use. Had the policeman remained at Dunalley he would have closed the swing bridge to prevent the killer(s) from escaping from the peninsula.
Did Bryant, IQ 66, organise this decoy?

Big Mortuary Truck. Before the massacre, a specially-built 22 person capacity mortuary truck was built. It attracted some derision at the time, but its effective use at Port Arthur was unquestioned.
After the massacre it was advertised, unsuccessfully, for sale via the internet, then converted for another purpose.
Without the foresight of Port Arthur, why build it? When it had proven its worth, why get rid of it? Another coincidence?


Martin Bryant has never been properly identified as the gunman.

A young woman who ate her lunch near the gunman just before 1.30 said he had a freckled face. Graham Collyer, the wounded ex-soldier, who had the best opportunity to observe the killer, said he had a pock-marked or acned face. Neither description fits Bryant who has a beautifully smooth complexion. Graham Collyer says that it was not Bryant who shot him in the neck.

—> Illegal Photo. On 30th April the Hobart Mercury printed an old photo of Martin Bryant on the front page. This was illegal because at that stage some of the witnesses had not yet been asked to identify the killer, and the photo would have become fixed in the minds of the witnesses.

—> When one witness was asked to describe the clothing worn by the gunman, she described the clothing on the old photo instead of what the gunman had worn.

—>The Mercury newspaper was not prosecuted for breaking the law.

Mrs Wendy Scurr, nurse, tour guide and Ambulance Officer, rang the police at 1.32 pm to report the shooting. She and other medics then cared for the injured and the dead without any police protection for six and a half hours.

Who ordered the armed police to stop at Tarana where they had a barbecue?  Shocked

Even the police who arrived by boats and were a stone’s throw away from the main crime scene in the cafe, also failed to come in to see what was going on. Was this lack of protection meant to increase the trauma of the survivors?

Three more shots were fired at Port Arthur at 6.30 while Bryant was at Seascape. Who fired those shots?

Same Question – Different Answer.

At a recent Forensics Seminar in Queensland where Tasmanian Police forensic gun inspector, Gerard Dutton, gave a lecture, the first question came from Mr Ian McNiven. He asked if there was any empirical evidence to link Martin Bryant to the Broad Arrow Café. Sargent Dutton immediately closed the 15 minute question time and would not reply. When McNiven managed to say “I have here Graham Collyer’s police statement…”, Sargent Dutton threatened him with arrest and called for security agents to escort McNiven out of the building.

When Dutton was asked the same question in America by a Doctor at a seminar, he replied truthfully – “There is no empirical evidence to link Bryant to the café”.
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Reply #21 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 9:00pm
 
SerialBrain9 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 8:56pm:
Below are some findings by other authors and experts, including the police themselves, which upon reading may cause you some concern.


What causes me concern is the fact that there are people out there like you who believe this stuff.

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Reply #22 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 9:02pm
 
Yet a police video tape exists which proves that the police had an excellent opportunity to get DNA samples and finger prints of the gunman. The video briefly shows the blue sports bag on a café table. The gunman had carried his 3 rifles in this bag and left it right next to his drinking glass, his Solo soft drink can, knife, fork, plate, etc. Why did the police fail to take DNA samples and finger prints?

According to the official story, Bryant first killed David and Sally Martin at Seascape Cottage in the morning, then went on to Port Arthur.

Yet two policemen have reported seeing a naked woman with black hair, screaming and running from one building to another at Seascape well into the afternoon. If Sally Martin was dead, who was this woman?

Proof of other gunmen in Seascape Cottage.

While Bryant was calmly talking to police by telephone in the cottage during the ‘siege’ and the conversation was recorded, someone else fired an SKK rifle 20 times. In the transcript the gunfire is recorded as ‘coughs’ but an electronic analysis of one of the ‘coughs’ shows that it was an SKK shot.

Two More Very Handy Seminars. On the Sunday morning, some 25 specialist doctors (Royal Australian College of Surgeons) from all over Australia had attended a training course in Hobart, and their last lecture was on Terrorist Attack and Gunshot Wounds.

They stayed on to take care of the wounded victims.
Also, more than 700 reporters from 17 nations came to a seminar in Hobart.

They were asked to arrive during the week-end as the seminar was due to begin early on Monday morning.

How handy to have 700 scribblers on the spot, churning out their anti-gun and disarmament propaganda to the whole world!

“There will never be uniform Gun Laws in Australia until we see a massacre somewhere in Tasmania”, said Barry Unsworth, NSW Premier, December, 1987 at a conference in Hobart. Prophecy or Planning?

“If we don’t get it right this time (gun laws) next time there is a massacre, and there will be, then they’ll take all our guns off us”, said the deputy prime minister, Tim Fischer in May 1996.

Who is the “THEY”

who would order the removal of our guns?

Did Fischer let slip that gun confiscation has been ordered by someone other than our own leaders?

No Respect for the Law. Our law demands that a Coronial Inquiry must take place

(a) when foreign nationals are killed
(b) when anyone dies in a fire.

At Port Arthur several foreigners were killed and three people died in the fire at Seascape.

It is evident that the massacre was planned to happen on the ferry which sailed to the Isle of the Dead every day.

The victims were to be eighty elderly American tourists who had come in two coaches. But the plan went awry because the sailing time of the ferry had changed from 1.30 to 2.00 pm.
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Reply #23 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 9:03pm
 
And there’s the Key - Eighty Americans….
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Reply #24 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 9:14pm
 
SerialBrain9 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 9:03pm:
And there’s the Key - Eighty Americans….


Ask your GP to lobby the government to get your medication put on the PBS.

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Reply #25 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 9:23pm
 
In less than thirty minutes at six separate crime scenes, 35 people were shot dead, another 22 wounded, and two cars stopped with a total of only 64 bullets.

A moving Daihatsu 4WD driven by Linda White was crippled by a “Beirut Triple”, normally reserved for dead-blocking Islamic terrorists driving primed car bombs around the Lebanon.

One sighting shot, a second to disable the driver, and a third to stop the engine before the primed car bomb can hit its target and explode.

Very few people know of this technique, and only a handful of experts can master it with only three bullets.

This awesome display of combat marksmanship was blamed on an intellectually impaired young man called Martin Bryant, who had no shooting or military experience at all.

As the book “Deadly Deception at Port Arthur” proves in absolute scientific terms, Bryant killed no-one at Port Arthur.

…………………………………………

Any experienced shooter will tell you - Martin Bryant didn’t have the skills to pull off such an amazing display of swift callous shooting accuracy which has never been matched around the world still today…

I have a military background myself and am a champion marksman and I couldn’t dream of pulling such an act…
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Reply #26 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 9:32pm
 
I practiced - as a young man - firing literally hundreds of rounds a day in all positions to achieve accuracy under all circumstances. I could fire from the hip with unerring accuracy. No big-noting and no further comment.  I could probably have done what Bryant is convicted of - probably better - but I doubt he could.  He says he never really fired more than a few rounds at a time and not a huge total.

If this had gone to trial it would have been very revealing, methinks.

Also - I love the way he is - at one instant, a cunning military style ninja hiding tactically and moving tactically around Seascape before the fire - then somehow is seen crossing the yard in full moonlight and back - just ducking out for a piss in the middle of the siege - hold it  for a coupla minutes, lads ...... um ... yes??  Hours of 'siege' and he hit nothing. So which was he?  A ninja or something else?
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Reply #27 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 9:46pm
 
Bryant was not a marksman.  He was a nervous young man who was actually frightened by some of the weapons in his possession.  He test fired the semi-automatic "street sweeper" shotgun on the way to Port Arthur but it frightened him so much that he left it behind when it came to conducting his massacre.  The Broad Arrow Cafe was registered as being peppered with bullets from Bryant.  Witnesses remarked at the bullets hitting the side of the Cafe when Bryant opened fire.  He killed his victims because the rifle he mainly used was over-powerful for the job - the AR-15.  He basically shot through his victims and his bullets killed multiple victims, one after the other.  Outside the Cafe his missed badly when he fired on various victims.  Bryant had basically no military training and it showed.  He was lucky to hit anything.  All the harping that he was somehow a trained marksman ignore the evidence to the contrary.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #28 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 11:40am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 7:28pm:
This is one of the funniest half-baked conspiracy theories I've seen.

I think Antony Green said it best:

"The Cairns News is not a media outlet. It's a conspiracy theory outlet."



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SerialBrain9 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 8:56pm:
Below are some findings by other authors and experts, including the police themselves, which upon reading may cause you some concern.

Firstly some questions that have been asked:

On the Sunday morning, two hours before the murders, ten of the senior managers of Port Arthur were taken to safety many miles away up the east coast, for a two day seminar with a vague agenda and no visiting speakers.
Was the timing of this trip a mere coincidence?

Also just before the shootings the only two policemen in the region were called away on a wild goose chase. They were sent to the Coal Mine at Salt Water River, to investigate a heroin drug stash which turned out to be soap powder.

This was too far for them to get to the Broad Arrow Cafe in time to be of any use. Had the policeman remained at Dunalley he would have closed the swing bridge to prevent the killer(s) from escaping from the peninsula.
Did Bryant, IQ 66, organise this decoy?

Big Mortuary Truck. Before the massacre, a specially-built 22 person capacity mortuary truck was built. It attracted some derision at the time, but its effective use at Port Arthur was unquestioned.
After the massacre it was advertised, unsuccessfully, for sale via the internet, then converted for another purpose.
Without the foresight of Port Arthur, why build it? When it had proven its worth, why get rid of it? Another coincidence?


Martin Bryant has never been properly identified as the gunman.

A young woman who ate her lunch near the gunman just before 1.30 said he had a freckled face. Graham Collyer, the wounded ex-soldier, who had the best opportunity to observe the killer, said he had a pock-marked or acned face. Neither description fits Bryant who has a beautifully smooth complexion. Graham Collyer says that it was not Bryant who shot him in the neck.

—> Illegal Photo. On 30th April the Hobart Mercury printed an old photo of Martin Bryant on the front page. This was illegal because at that stage some of the witnesses had not yet been asked to identify the killer, and the photo would have become fixed in the minds of the witnesses.

—> When one witness was asked to describe the clothing worn by the gunman, she described the clothing on the old photo instead of what the gunman had worn.

—>The Mercury newspaper was not prosecuted for breaking the law.

Mrs Wendy Scurr, nurse, tour guide and Ambulance Officer, rang the police at 1.32 pm to report the shooting. She and other medics then cared for the injured and the dead without any police protection for six and a half hours.

Who ordered the armed police to stop at Tarana where they had a barbecue?  Shocked

Even the police who arrived by boats and were a stone’s throw away from the main crime scene in the cafe, also failed to come in to see what was going on. Was this lack of protection meant to increase the trauma of the survivors?

Three more shots were fired at Port Arthur at 6.30 while Bryant was at Seascape. Who fired those shots?

Same Question – Different Answer.

At a recent Forensics Seminar in Queensland where Tasmanian Police forensic gun inspector, Gerard Dutton, gave a lecture,the first question came from Mr Ian McNiven. He asked if there was any empirical evidence to link Martin Bryant to the Broad Arrow Café. Sargent Dutton immediately closed the 15 minute question time and would not reply. When McNiven managed to say “I have here Graham Collyer’s police statement…”, Sargent Dutton threatened him with arrest and called for security agents to escort McNiven out of the building.

When Dutton was asked the same question in America by a Doctor at a seminar, he replied truthfully – “There is no empirical evidence to link Bryant to the café”.



A Tasmanian Police Sergeant has no jurisdiction to threaten an arrest in QLD.
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