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Reply #45 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 8:08pm

'don't you think it's time 'government' caught up with itself and began to RESPECT its people? The command us to RESPECT or be bashed disrespectfully ...... '
'Oh - and not all cases are subject to 'do not release to public' orders... ask why.'
'governments have something to hide... even if it is something as 'simple' as a miscarriage of justice... '

It sounded like you claim there's a general cover-up.

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Reply #46 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 8:38pm

chimera wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 8:08pm:

'don't you think it's time 'government' caught up with itself and began to RESPECT its people? The command us to RESPECT or be bashed disrespectfully ...... '
'Oh - and not all cases are subject to 'do not release to public' orders... ask why.'
'governments have something to hide... even if it is something as 'simple' as a miscarriage of justice... '

It sounded like you claim there's a general cover-up.

Not really - just an attitude thing - that they have every right to withhold from the peasantry whatever the Lairds feel they are entitled™ to withhold.

I'm of the view that - not only are the people as a body smarter than that - but they are less likely to be hostile and inward-looking if they are told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Where there is NO full knowledge of such things as the Bryant case, the very real fear subsists in the minds of many, though unspoken an d even not consciously thought out, that the same could happen to them - this is the 'halo effect' of ensuring that someone is convicted and the people are kept in the dark about why and how.

Some things, of course, are a genuine matter of 'national security' - but what 'national security' - other than the reduction of the power of the ruling oligarchy to withhold at whim and thus retain power over knowledge (same with 'privacy laws' which give ONLY the ruling oligarchy the right to all private knowledge - hello) - is there about the Bryant case? I only say 'national security' to give an example - but that phrase opens up many doors.

Would not the general populace be best served with knowing the full facts surrounding the Bryant case?

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11701 Armidale Gender:	Re: Port Arthur - The Evidence.. Reply #47 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 8:45pm OK but where is the secrecy different for Bryant?
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Reply #48 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 9:39pm

chimera wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 8:45pm:

OK but where is the secrecy different for Bryant?

That's what we want to know - because there is no reason for it. As Baron said indirectly - if there is no reason - the reason is something else, and hidden in plain sight.

I feel this needs a full and proper airing of all the evidence. No forensic evidence tied Bryant to the massacre.

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Reply #49 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 6:46am

Australian Governments constantly hide information for a variety of reasons.

I guess the vast majority are simply too protect themselves from the public finding out how totally incompetent they are/ have been.
Sometimes it’s too protect a dodgy deal they have done with a private company or overseas country.

It’s just how they “govern “ transparently.

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Don’t vote for any of them. They just want your money!

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Reply #50 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 9:19am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 9:39pm:

That's what we want to know - because there is no reason for it.

The reason is that the same policy applies to all cases, in general. Having government secrecy about trials is a different issue from the Bryant details. Business privacy is different from people asking for details of your tax out of curiosity.

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Reply #51 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 1:38pm

Last two posts show the real issues - government chooses not to display its actions openly - for the very good reason that many of those actions would not pass the pub test.

I ask again - what national or popular interest is served by not holding a full examination of the evidence in the Bryant case ... or at the very least - putting it out for public discussion?

The closest hard evidence produced so far was my posting of his interview two months after the event etc.... where is the rest apart from direct evidence from several who say it could not have been him - acne etc?

This is remarkably like Lee Harvey Oswald - no full review of evidence was made that actually told the truth... look at this for example:-

Note that the first picture shows Connally near correctly turned sideways... two things - he was turned far more than that, and he turned in response to JFK being hit by that bullet that is claimed to have hit Connally as well, so the 'magic bullet' could not have done it all. The trajectories are wrong for the School Book Repository - much lower and further to the right of that building - and unless Connally was hit by the same bullet 2-3 seconds after JFK - a remarkable feat for a bullet - there was a second gunman to the left - which, via triangulation, means there was a third to the front right.

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Reply #52 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 1:39pm

This is what is meant by 'triangulation':-

Note:- If Connally was indeed 'taken out of the sight line' by a shot from the left - it would have to be low down and further to the right in that photo - to miss the windscreen and other passengers etc in the car ... great shot, BTW... and it cleared the line of sight for the head shot by dropping Connally back and out of the way.

All this leaves wide open the question of why the motorcade route was changed to suit that shooting gallery...

Lee Harvey Oswald killed nobody.... and as a result of his assassination the evidence was never properly examined.

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Reply #53 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 1:54pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 1:38pm:

Last two posts show the real issues - government chooses not to display its actions openly - for the very good reason that many of those actions would not pass the pub test .... where is the rest apart from direct evidence from several who say it could not have been him - acne etc.

Who said the actions don't pass, and why?
'Where is the rest?' Who says there is 'the rest'? Suspecting a thing is not proof it exists.

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Reply #54 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 2:07pm

chimera wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 1:54pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 1:38pm:

Last two posts show the real issues - government chooses not to display its actions openly - for the very good reason that many of those actions would not pass the pub test .... where is the rest apart from direct evidence from several who say it could not have been him - acne etc.

Who said the actions don't pass, and why?
'Where is the rest?' Who says there is 'the rest'? Suspecting a thing is not proof it exists.

Refusal to clear it up indicates subterfuge, and the persistent belief among the selfocrats that they do not answer to the people. Saying a retread with IQ 66 shot all those people for no real reason does not pass the pub test.

Read the interview.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11701 Armidale Gender:	Re: Port Arthur - The Evidence.. Reply #55 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 3:54pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 1:38pm: .... where is the rest apart from direct evidence from several who say it could not have been him - acne etc? And ..where....?
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Reply #56 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 5:53pm

chimera wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 3:54pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 1:38pm:

.... where is the rest apart from direct evidence from several who say it could not have been him - acne etc?

And ..where....?

Been posted here by others.... one was an ex-soldier who said 'acne scarred face'... soldiers are trained to observe... where is the direct evidence that the shooter was Bryant?

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84930 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Port Arthur - The Evidence.. Reply #57 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 5:58pm Well - what is the need to not show the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about Bryant's arrest, incarceration and trial? They've got him behind bars forever - surely the people can be told all the reasons why.
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Reply #58 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 7:50pm

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Port Arthur Massacre 1996
800 witness statements and only two positively identified Martin Bryant which were submitted after Bryants face had been all over the media.
Witnesses Jim Laycock, Graham Colliyer & Peter Crosswell all said the shooter was not Martin Bryant.

Watch the Video…..

https://x.com/man_rocket97805/status/1875365609837621494?s=61&t=pr9sQbfDnRXI42Hs...

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Bryants face had been all over the media.

- Illegally - and not one news outlet has been charged with this crime..

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SerialBrain9 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2338	Re: Port Arthur - The Evidence.. Reply #59 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 8:09pm Listen to the Podcast… Film coming up this year I think … https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/k01lj9qmwbf7918x4da7d/BTDTCTEP118ThePortArthurMas...
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