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Reply #61 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 8:39pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 8:13pm:

Brian - the POLICE interview - not this gutter trash ... even the lead-in is telling the audience this was the guy ... come on... 'you pulled the trigger with your left hand' - read the transcript..... 'that's a shotgun' - he didn't take his shotgun with him, says he was frightened of it since it was so powerful - it was at home ....quick flash of someone running - didn't that turn out to be an Ambo later? ... film of a white Volvo .. DUH ... dark mutterings 'I could be his next victim' - come on .... that's not fact .... I'll never take a sunday night television program at face value again after that.

This could have been a Hollywood spectacular for all the truth there is in it.

You're adding to the case for a full review of all the available evidence...

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant_complete_interview

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Reply #62 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 8:50pm

About that Gun…

The Prosecutors/Police tried to get a Tasmanian Gun dealer (Guns and Ammo i think) to lie and say that one of the guns was purchased in his store

He told them NO

They threatened him and told them that police would find something on him..

He told them NO - he won’t lie..

They raided his shop and closed it down putting him out of business. - they took his gun register and has never been returned

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Reply #63 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 8:55pm

First page of the police interview Bryant says he never used the shotgun - yet someone said during the Broadarrow shooting (heavy boom) 'that's a shotgun' - and no shotgun was found.

Again - the running man was apparently an Ambo after the shootings had stopped.

I'm not decided one way or the other - I just say there is sufficient doubt there to have the full body of evidence openly reviewed and the public allowed to hear it all - not some filtered, cut and pasted, biased television shock program looking for ratings.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11894 Armidale Gender:	Re: Port Arthur - The Evidence.. Reply #64 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 9:01pm Interesting times. It seems his lawyer went nuts from the stress of Bryant's behaviour and lost his right to practice law. https://au.news.yahoo.com/transcript-martin-bryant-021416350.html Who said he shot from the hip and why did he need to?
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Reply #65 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 9:03pm

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 8:50pm:

About that Gun…

The Prosecutors/Police tried to get a Tasmanian Gun dealer (Guns and Ammo i think) to lie and say that one of the guns was purchased in his store

He told them NO

They threatened him and told them that police would find something on him..

He told them NO - he won’t lie..

They raided his shop and closed it down putting him out of business. - they took his gun register and has never been returned

That news story is like the Jockey Smith conviction for the murder of Lloyd Tidmarsh - "We are unable to produce the murder weapon, Yer 'Onnah - but we submit in evidence a photograph of an alleged similar weapon, which photograph we allege was in the possession of the defendant...." Cheesy

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Reply #66 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 9:06pm

chimera wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 9:01pm:

Interesting times. It seems his lawyer went nuts from the stress of Bryant's behaviour and lost his right to practice law.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/transcript-martin-bryant-021416350.html

Who said he shot from the hip and why did he need to?

Hip shooting with stock pressed between elbow and hip allows for more freedom of movement of the weapon - a rifle - shortens it when firing in a small space, swivel whole body, and at that close range no sighted shots were necessary. Again that is instinctual shooting, and takes a lot of practice and co-ordination, and actually firing at a live human being is something else.

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Reply #67 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 9:22pm

"We've also never seen or heard from Bryant himself, and in that vacuum, he's become an enigma." - Melissa Doyle

Let me repeat that slowly ... we've never seen or heard from Bryant himself ...... (hyperbole excluded) "he's become larger than life"..

Well - I wouldn't say he's 'larger than life' to anyone.... most are probably curious.... I case my personal feelings and say I am quite indifferent as to any 'status' he may possess ... I am interested in whether or not he is really guilty of this set of crimes.

A television show inserting cut pieces of his police interview into convenient spots to support a 'narrative' is not going to do that... for example - his statement about using his left hand for shooting had nothing to do with Port Arthur - it was in response to a question of how he shot when practicing on tin cans etc.... yet that is interspersed with footage of Port Arthur to insinuate that he is 'admitting' that he shot all those people with his left hand on the trigger.... it's in the police interview transcript in context and it's also right there in that link below.

Christ - his own lawyer sank him... who paid him? That's another red flag that makes my ears perk up...

(side-note:- I cannot begin to describe to you the cold feeling inside that came over me when I saw John Connally shot through and through right rear to right front - while turned near completely around and saying to JFK - "WTF??" - meaning no such shot came from the school repository but clearly from the left of the motorcade, with the instant of impact clear when Connally's cheeks blew out and he then fell back out of the line of sight from the Grassy Knoll then wham - once I saw that - frame by frame - my ears began to perk up at any silly story put forward about such things by governments - I discussed the JFK hit with pair of 2 Commando officers once during a quiet moment - laying out pretty much the same triangulation as shown in that diagram I posted - and they simply nodded with a knowing look in their eyes - not a moment of doubt whatsoever from professionals) ....

NEVER trust the media to tell the truth.

All I'm saying here, people - is that if we are going to accept that a man did those crimes - we need to be shown that he actually did... not be treated like mushrooms fed this kind of fine compost.

Footnote:- I myself have been, in the past, a victim of this kind of gutter 'journalism' - not one single frame of what they presented had any element of truth in it or even any reference to the issues under discussion.... it was all - just like this rubbish about Bryant - suggestions and dark innuendoes without fact. That reminds me - Channel Seven still owes me for that....

Now - read the transcript - not the BS from that TV show.

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Reply #68 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 9:51pm

Let's try again - the POLICE interview two months after the events and when Bryant was in pain and discomfort from his burns and was isolated for two months and sat on the traditional uncomfortable chair while needing a drink. Was he cold from immobility in that cell for so long? Did it have one uneven length leg so it rocked and felt unstable while his hands were cuffed and affected his balance and gave him no opportunity to save himself if he fell? Wait one .... he was tied to the chair it says in the transcript 'get me legs untied' - 'no, leave as they are' .... WTF - was he going to race out the door after overcoming those cops? Two months in a cell and he'd make twenty yards.

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant_complete_interview

Now Brian - YOU should know about this kind of interview technique.... it's not guaranteed to give you anything more than what a 66 IQ bloke might think you want to hear, just so he can get up and walk around and be in some comfort instead of pain from his burns and being unable to move much on a hard chair (adds) he's tied to. He was probably cold and mentally disorientated due to isolation and such and certainly stressed - yet he still denied what they wanted him to say - until later when he changed his plea to guilty. Someone said they told him that if he didn't plead guilty his mother and sister would suffer and they were already after the gun dealer.

IQ 66 - bet they offered him a deal - "Look - just say you did it and you can go home, OK?"

Presumed Guilty.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85186 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Port Arthur - The Evidence.. Reply #69 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 10:01pm "A. Shame me legs are tied up. Q. Sorry? A. Shame these legs, I might be able to take them off. Q. No, leave, leave them the way they are I think. A. Otherwise I might get in trouble. Q. Mmm. So don't, don't ahh, play with them you might get yourself in trouble. "
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Reply #70 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 10:35pm

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 8:09pm:

Listen to the Podcast…

Film coming up this year I think …

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/k01lj9qmwbf7918x4da7d/BTDTCTEP118ThePortArthurMas...

Oh my good Lord! Shocked

from 1hr 9 mins Shocked

Interesting that the govt changed the files to be hidden from 30 years… (just as it was about to be released) to being hidden for over 70 years …. Why why why? And this film maker in the podcast has death threats and warned to let it go… not to dig deep …. that’s enough to prove a cover up eh? Sad

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Reply #71 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 10:37pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 9:06pm:

chimera wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 9:01pm:

Interesting times. It seems his lawyer went nuts from the stress of Bryant's behaviour and lost his right to practice law.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/transcript-martin-bryant-021416350.html

Who said he shot from the hip and why did he need to?

Hip shooting with stock pressed between elbow and hip allows for more freedom of movement of the weapon - a rifle - shortens it when firing in a small space, swivel whole body, and at that close range no sighted shots were necessary. Again that is instinctual shooting, and takes a lot of practice and co-ordination, and actually firing at a live human being is something else.

That’s what I remember being said by witnesses that some acne scarred guy came out from nowhere shooting precision from the hip!
And this acne face guy has long blond hair too!

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Reply #72 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 10:50pm

Sophia wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 10:37pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 9:06pm:

chimera wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 9:01pm:

Interesting times. It seems his lawyer went nuts from the stress of Bryant's behaviour and lost his right to practice law.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/transcript-martin-bryant-021416350.html

Who said he shot from the hip and why did he need to?

Hip shooting with stock pressed between elbow and hip allows for more freedom of movement of the weapon - a rifle - shortens it when firing in a small space, swivel whole body, and at that close range no sighted shots were necessary. Again that is instinctual shooting, and takes a lot of practice and co-ordination, and actually firing at a live human being is something else.

That’s what I remember being said by witnesses that some acne scarred guy came out from nowhere shooting precision from the hip!
And this acne face guy has long blond hair too!

I'm only interested in knowing whether or not Bryant was guilty. His police interview sounds like a kid a lot of the time - and making up stories, and the cops bulldozed him over hours.

A movie you say? Acne scarred long blond hair.......

Somewhere I thought I read of two gunmen ... that's a lot of people for one guy... semi auto shells would be all over - bullets could still be compared with the Bryant AR 15 even if it was burnt - the bore etc doesn't melt unless temperature is very high and would still be a clear match.... or not. Why have we not heard about this? If it was a match it would be pretty conclusive, no? The plastic stock etc would have been melted.

Could be interesting:- https://iview.abc.net.au/video/DO2305H001S00

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Reply #73 - Jan 6^th, 2025 at 12:09am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 9:39pm:

chimera wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 8:45pm:

OK but where is the secrecy different for Bryant?

That's what we want to know - because there is no reason for it. As Baron said indirectly - if there is no reason - the reason is something else, and hidden in plain sight.

I feel this needs a full and proper airing of all the evidence.

Bryants case has the highest level of security in protecting all case information in Tasmania.

Why did they seal it for another 75 years which means it will be 95 years after the massacre?

If they had nothing to hide they wouldn't have to wait for everyone to die before releasing it.

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Reply #74 - Jan 6^th, 2025 at 6:40am

Sophia wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 10:35pm:

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 8:09pm:

Listen to the Podcast…

Film coming up this year I think …

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/k01lj9qmwbf7918x4da7d/BTDTCTEP118ThePortArthurMas...

Oh my good Lord! Shocked

from 1hr 9 mins Shocked

Interesting that the govt changed the files to be hidden from 30 years… (just as it was about to be released) to being hidden for over 70 years …. Why why why? And this film maker in the podcast has death threats and warned to let it go… not to dig deep …. that’s enough to prove a cover up eh? Sad

Edits:- That tape is quite revealing and quite shocking... I wish he'd been allowed to go further with the 'redacted' portions of that interview, the torture and such. That is worse than the 'standard interrogation tricks' I posted, and the police interview mentions 4th July - two months or so after. Bryant was interrogated for hours while in pain and discomfort and with no legal representative present, despite his being officially incapable of handling his money etc. Those two officers told him, at the beginning, that this interview without representation had been cleared with his lawyer. Why do I doubt the truth of that? He was happy to respond to questions - consistently saying NO, I wasn't there, and showed no clear recollection of any parts of the incidents.

Just looked up Paul Moder - 35 years in the film etc industry, and his Port Arthur re-telling.. 1 hr 14 in that one he discusses death threats. I think I'll hear it all the way through.

https://pureshitauscinema.com/interviews/moder.html

There it is -1m 09 whatever - 'most with head shots' 'fired from the hip' - that takes an enormous amount of training and practice. Bryant says he never fired more than a few rounds. Also 'never diagnosed' as having 'dual personalities' or anything.... no attempt.

Well - it IS Tasmania and two heads are expected.

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