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Dec 31^st, 2024 at 8:37am

Just to feed youse lot over your NY break and give your ulcers a stir - the latest available figures from the ABS:-

"Key statistics

Estimates for average weekly ordinary time earnings for full-time adults (seasonally adjusted):

Increased by 4.6% annually to $1,923.40 in May 2024.
For males were $2,214.70 (public), and $1,978.00 (private).
For females were $1,995.30 (public), and $1,698.40 (private)."

Hint - look at the differences between 'public' and 'private' ...... and then consider which has the better super etc...division, division ... Albo has created more divisions out of thin air than Hitler ever did in 1945.... Steiner...... Steiner........................

Then in the piccie below - hours actually worked on average.... latest available figures.....

Just breaks your little ideological hearts, doesn't it? Kinda makes you wish you'd joined up for submarines instead, just so you didn't have to hear the truth...

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Reply #1 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 8:58am

Suck on this, you crazed ideologue sheep:-

Actual Average Hourly rates of Pay Men V Women
New Year 2025

Men public and private total = $2,214.70 + $1,978.00
                  = $4,192.70
                  (/2 for overall average)
               = $2,096.35
                     (/ 38.5 hours actually worked)
                                                = $54.45 per actual hour worked

Women public and private total = $1,995.30 + $1,698.40
                        =$3,693.70
                        (/2 for overall average)
                        = $1846.85
                           (/31.8 hours actually worked)
                                                            = $59.58 per actual hour worked

Hence – women are paid per actual hour worked a difference of
$59.58 – 54.45
         = + $5.13 per actual hour worked

As a percentage above what men are paid per actual hour worked that equals

$5.13/54.45 x 100
= 9.42%

The Gender Wage Gap has risen to now more vastly favour women for their actual work.

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Reply #2 - Dec 31^st, 2024 at 10:34am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 8:58am:

Suck on this, you crazed ideologue sheep:-

Actual Average Hourly rates of Pay Men V Women
New Year 2025

Men public and private total = $2,214.70 + $1,978.00
                  = $4,192.70
                  (/2 for overall average)
               = $2,096.35
                     (/ 38.5 hours actually worked)
                                                = $54.45 per actual hour worked

Women public and private total = $1,995.30 + $1,698.40
                        =$3,693.70
                        (/2 for overall average)
                        = $1846.85
                           (/31.8 hours actually worked)
                                                            = $59.58 per actual hour worked

Hence – women are paid per actual hour worked a difference of
$59.58 – 54.45
         = + $5.13 per actual hour worked

As a percentage above what men are paid per actual hour worked that equals

$5.13/54.45 x 100
= 9.42%

The Gender Wage Gap has risen to now more vastly favour women for their actual work.

The Glass Ceiling & the Gender Pay Gap has always been a fallacy.

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Reply #3 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:55pm

Generally speaking, I don't believe there is a real gender-based wage gap. It's why we have an award-based system in Australia. For the vast majority of jobs, from a teen working at McDonald's to a professional air traffic controller, the wage is set based on the job being carried out and gender has nothing to do with it whatsoever. The teen working at McDonald's gets the same hourly rate regardless of whether they're male or female while the air traffic controller who is a rookie will start out on the same base salary regardless of gender. So for the vast majority of Australians, there is no gender-based wage gap because legally there can't be. Where it does happen is in the higher levels of the corporate world, where there does exist wage gaps and glass ceilings and sexism. But that represents a comparatively small subsection of the Australian workforce.

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Reply #4 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 7:03pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:55pm:

Generally speaking, I don't believe there is a real gender-based wage gap. It's why we have an award-based system in Australia. For the vast majority of jobs, from a teen working at McDonald's to a professional air traffic controller, the wage is set based on the job being carried out and gender has nothing to do with it whatsoever. The teen working at McDonald's gets the same hourly rate regardless of whether they're male or female while the air traffic controller who is a rookie will start out on the same base salary regardless of gender. So for the vast majority of Australians, there is no gender-based wage gap because legally there can't be. Where it does happen is in the higher levels of the corporate world, where there does exist wage gaps and glass ceilings and sexism. But that represents a comparatively small subsection of the Australian workforce.

The only industry that I have heard complaining about gender based wages is sporting. But that has been put to bed.

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Reply #5 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 7:07pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 7:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:55pm:

Generally speaking, I don't believe there is a real gender-based wage gap. It's why we have an award-based system in Australia. For the vast majority of jobs, from a teen working at McDonald's to a professional air traffic controller, the wage is set based on the job being carried out and gender has nothing to do with it whatsoever. The teen working at McDonald's gets the same hourly rate regardless of whether they're male or female while the air traffic controller who is a rookie will start out on the same base salary regardless of gender. So for the vast majority of Australians, there is no gender-based wage gap because legally there can't be. Where it does happen is in the higher levels of the corporate world, where there does exist wage gaps and glass ceilings and sexism. But that represents a comparatively small subsection of the Australian workforce.

The only industry that I have heard complaining about gender based wages is sporting. But that has been put to bed.

Yeah, I forgot about sport. But look at tennis. Women don't generally play the same number of sets as men and accordingly the winners purse is smaller. If they want an equal winners cheque, they have to play the same number of sets as men.

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Reply #6 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 9:43pm

One other thing - we're talking about wage and salary earners - not negotiated remuneration for some specialty - - say Tom Cruise acting in a movie. That's what happens in the higher paid arenas and whether or not it is a 'gap' in any meaningful way is debatable.

What my irrefutable figures do is point out the utter absurdity and blatant lying going on about some mythical 'gender wage gap' against women.

Let's do another figure - men work 38.5 - women 31.8 hours on average.

31.8/38.5 = .826
x 100 to give percentage = 82.6%

According to the liars - this means there is a wage gap against women of 17.4%, when what is really right there is an hours worked gap.

Let's look further - remember I said 'salary and wage earners' who actually really make up 'wages'..

The WGEA total remuneration average gender pay gap is 21.8%. For every $1 on average a man makes, women earn 78c. Over the course of a year, that difference adds up to $28,425. This gender pay gap included CEO, Head of Business and Casual Manager remuneration for the first time in 2023-24.

CEO and Head of business are - as above - negotiated remunerations and thus to include them is a lie.... you get what you negotiate - that's it. Just one more lie to make out it's all so much worse when the reality is .... women are currently being paid, on average - wages and salary earnings 9.42% more per hour actually worked than men are.

Lies, lies, lies.

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Reply #7 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 7:51am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:55pm:

Generally speaking, I don't believe there is a real gender-based wage gap. It's why we have an award-based system in Australia.

Award only guarantees the minium wage, not equal wage. It's when you get off the minimum wage that the gap appears.

One example I know about was a head chef at a restaurant was earning about $100k a year. He moved onto a new job, they gave his job to a woman who had the same amount of experience as the previous chef, and who's cooking was rated as good as if not better then the previous chef, but only paid her about $80k a year. The only difference was her gender. The boss thought he could get away with paying her less because she was a woman.

Our esteemed leader:
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Reply #8 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 7:58am

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 7:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:55pm:

Generally speaking, I don't believe there is a real gender-based wage gap. It's why we have an award-based system in Australia.

Award only guarantees the minium wage, not equal wage. It's when you get off the minimum wage that the gap appears.

One example I know about was a head chef at a restaurant was earning about $100k a year. He moved onto a new job, they gave his job to a woman who had the same amount of experience as the previous chef, and who's cooking was rated as good as if not better then the previous chef, but only paid her about $80k a year. The only difference was her gender. The boss thought he could get away with paying her less because she was a woman.

Another difference would be the chef had worked at the restaurant longer than her, people who have been in the job longer usually get paid more.

Her pay may increase as she proves herself.

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Reply #9 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 9:45am

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 7:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:55pm:

Generally speaking, I don't believe there is a real gender-based wage gap. It's why we have an award-based system in Australia.

Award only guarantees the minium wage, not equal wage. It's when you get off the minimum wage that the gap appears.

One example I know about was a head chef at a restaurant was earning about $100k a year. He moved onto a new job, they gave his job to a woman who had the same amount of experience as the previous chef, and who's cooking was rated as good as if not better then the previous chef, but only paid her about $80k a year. The only difference was her gender. The boss thought he could get away with paying her less because she was a woman.

So he negotiated $100k and she negotiated $80k - if it's award or above there is no issue. Negotiated remuneration .... not WAGE. If the boss was paying above award - he KNEW he might get away with paying less to anyone coming into the job.

It is illegal to pay less than the award rate... if higher than award rate is paid that is negotiable - not mandatory.

John Smith goes down to a house painting job interview - the Award rate is Painter, CW3 $16.65 - Smith looks the job over and figures ten hours and quotes $2000 - job accepted... $200 an hour... John Smith employs two painters who do the job in seven hours and pays them $30 an hour and keeps the rest.... $210 each for the employed painters - $1590 for the struggling Boss Smith ....

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Reply #10 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 9:59am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 9:45am:

John Smith goes down to a house painting job interview - the Award rate is Painter, CW3 $16.65 - Smith looks the job over and figures ten hours and quotes $2000 - job accepted... $200 an hour... John Smith employs two painters who do the job in seven hours and pays them $30 an hour and keeps the rest.... $210 each for the employed painters - $1590 for the struggling Boss Smith ....

Not much really, time spent quoting, organizing the painters, insurance, business compliance, materials, organizing the materials, ensuring worker safety, equipment supply and removal, bookwork paying GST. probably hoping to get $30 an hour.

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Reply #11 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 10:02am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 9:45am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 7:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:55pm:

Generally speaking, I don't believe there is a real gender-based wage gap. It's why we have an award-based system in Australia.

Award only guarantees the minium wage, not equal wage. It's when you get off the minimum wage that the gap appears.

One example I know about was a head chef at a restaurant was earning about $100k a year. He moved onto a new job, they gave his job to a woman who had the same amount of experience as the previous chef, and who's cooking was rated as good as if not better then the previous chef, but only paid her about $80k a year. The only difference was her gender. The boss thought he could get away with paying her less because she was a woman.

So he negotiated $100k and she negotiated $80k - if it's award or above there is no issue. Negotiated remuneration .... not WAGE. If the boss was paying above award - he KNEW he might get away with paying less to anyone coming into the job.

It is illegal to pay less than the award rate... if higher than award rate is paid that is negotiable - not mandatory.

John Smith goes down to a house painting job interview - the Award rate is Painter, CW3 $16.65 - Smith looks the job over and figures ten hours and quotes $2000 - job accepted... $200 an hour... John Smith employs two painters who do the job in seven hours and pays them $30 an hour and keeps the rest.... $210 each for the employed painters - $1590 for the struggling Boss Smith ....

He might have started on $80k, he could have been paid more to try and keep him at the restaurant, he obviously went on to a higher paying job.

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Reply #12 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 11:30am

Leroy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 7:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 7:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:55pm:

Generally speaking, I don't believe there is a real gender-based wage gap. It's why we have an award-based system in Australia.

Award only guarantees the minium wage, not equal wage. It's when you get off the minimum wage that the gap appears.

One example I know about was a head chef at a restaurant was earning about $100k a year. He moved onto a new job, they gave his job to a woman who had the same amount of experience as the previous chef, and who's cooking was rated as good as if not better then the previous chef, but only paid her about $80k a year. The only difference was her gender. The boss thought he could get away with paying her less because she was a woman.

Another difference would be the chef had worked at the restaurant longer than her, people who have been in the job longer usually get paid more.

Her pay may increase as she proves herself.

No. People get paid more as they advance up the ladder. He was head chef, she was head chef. Both were in the same position.

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #13 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 11:32am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 9:45am:

John Smith goes down to a house painting job interview - the Award rate is Painter, CW3 $16.65 - Smith looks the job over and figures ten hours and quotes $2000 - job accepted... $200 an hour... John Smith employs two painters who do the job in seven hours and pays them $30 an hour and keeps the rest.... $210 each for the employed painters - $1590 for the struggling Boss Smith ....

Tradesmen don't use the award rate to set the prices they quote you dumbarse

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Reply #14 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 2:01pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 11:30am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 7:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 7:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 6:55pm:

Generally speaking, I don't believe there is a real gender-based wage gap. It's why we have an award-based system in Australia.

Award only guarantees the minium wage, not equal wage. It's when you get off the minimum wage that the gap appears.

One example I know about was a head chef at a restaurant was earning about $100k a year. He moved onto a new job, they gave his job to a woman who had the same amount of experience as the previous chef, and who's cooking was rated as good as if not better then the previous chef, but only paid her about $80k a year. The only difference was her gender. The boss thought he could get away with paying her less because she was a woman.

Another difference would be the chef had worked at the restaurant longer than her, people who have been in the job longer usually get paid more.

Her pay may increase as she proves herself.

No. People get paid more as they advance up the ladder. He was head chef, she was head chef. Both were in the same position.

Head chefs don't use the award rate to set the salary expectations they quote you dumbarse

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