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What is the valency of Carbon? Carbon has 6 protons.

Can you answer this, Booby?
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Reply #1 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 12:31pm
 
Monk - you silly Billy -
even a 13 year old high school kid knows that.
Carbon has 4 electrons in its outer shell and a maximum of 8 can fit so
that means there are 4 spaces that can be filled with electrons so
it has a valency of 4.

At a Uni level:
Now tell me about the SP1, SP2 and SP3 orbitals of carbon?
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Yeah, I figured you would google the answer.
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Reply #3 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 12:46pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 12:38pm:
Yeah, I figured you would google the answer.


No I didn't.
Everyone knows that.
That's the whole basis of organic chemistry.   Roll Eyes

Now - answer my question.
Don't Google it.
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LOL!
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Reply #5 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 1:02pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 12:54pm:
LOL!



So you can't answer it?   Grin

Hybridized orbitals are covered in organic Chemistry 101 at Uni
and in more depth at later stages.
A true geologist should know all about that.  Roll Eyes
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sp³ hybridization



Apr 27, 2014

In sp³ hybridization, one s orbital and three p orbitals hybridize to form four sp³ orbitals,
each consisting of 25% s character and 75% p character.
This type of hybridization is required whenever an atom is surrounded by four groups of electrons.


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Hybridization of Atomic Orbitals - Sigma & Pi Bonds - Sp Sp2 Sp3


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More googling.

BTW valency of four is only partly correct, e.g. CO, carbon monoxide
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Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 2:27pm:
More googling.

BTW valency of four is only partly correct, e.g. CO, carbon monoxide



Monk,
get out of high school and into University level. 
Did you even learn about Hybridization of Atomic Orbitals?
What can be predicted from that model?
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Just do some more googling.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 2:36pm:
Just do some more googling.



No Monk,
you're like Smith - trying to mix it with the intelligentsia and it's not working.

Why not have a bit more respect for educated people?

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Can’t you google how carbon monoxide is possible?

You didn’t even know the difference between organic chemistry and biochemistry you blithering idiot—didn’t google it first  Cheesy Grin

LOL “intelligentsia” when anyone looking at the crud you loaded the “Chinese bioweapon” thread with knows you are a dumb, uneducated idiot—and several have said so.

But you google well.
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Reply #13 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 3:12pm
 
Maybe it is like copper and iron

—cuprous, cupric

—ferrous, ferric


What you reckon
Oh interlektooal one?
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Reply #14 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 3:18pm
 

Monk,
quit now -
you're only making more of a fool of yourself.   Roll Eyes
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Can’t you google the answer oh interlektooal one?
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Reply #16 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 3:46pm
 
Well Monk,
did I teach you something?


sp³ hybridization



Apr 27, 2014

In sp³ hybridization, one s orbital and three p orbitals hybridize to form four sp³ orbitals,
each consisting of 25% s character and 75% p character.
This type of hybridization is required whenever an atom is surrounded by four groups of electrons.







Hybridization of Atomic Orbitals - Sigma & Pi Bonds - Sp Sp2 Sp3



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Reply #17 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 3:58pm
 
Google.

How can carbon monoxide form?
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Reply #18 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 4:02pm
 

Monk,
if you didn't study hybridization at Uni then either -
you didn't go to Uni or
you did a chemistry made easy course or
you only studied chemistry at High School.

Which is it?
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How can carbon monoxide form? Implications for valency of carbon?
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Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 4:08pm:
How can carbon monoxide form? Implications for valency of carbon?



Monk,
that question is beyond your paygrade.


https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Environmental_Chemistry/Supplemental_Mod...

What are the molecular structures of carbon oxides?
The formation of carbon oxides is due to electronic configurations of carbon and oxygen.
They have 4 and 6 valence electrons respectively.
Using these valence electrons, we can give the Lewis dot structure for CO and three resonance structures for CO2 as follows:

These formulas suggest very strong bonding between carbon and oxygen in these gaseous molecules: triple bond in C-O, and double bonds in O=C=O. However, a formula containing a triple bond contribute to the resonance structure.


What atomic orbitals are involved in the molecular orbitals of carbon oxides?
The chemical bonding is more of an interpretation of the molecules in view of their properties. Using results from quantum mechanical approach, we may start by reviewing the electronic configurations of carbon and oxygen:

C: 1s2 2s22p2
O: 1s2 2s22p4

Thus, the carbon has 4 valence electrons and oxygen has 6 valence electrons. The s and p atomic orbitals are available for chemical bonding.

The valence bond approach suggests that p orbitals of carbon and oxygen are used in these molecules. In CO, only one such atomic orbital from each atom of C and O are employed to form a sigma, s, bond, and overlapping of two p orbitals leads to the formation of the two pi, p, bond. Thus, the bond order is 3 between C and O in CºO.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide

Physical and chemical properties

Carbon monoxide is the simplest oxocarbon and is isoelectronic with other triply bonded diatomic species possessing 10 valence electrons, including the cyanide anion, the nitrosonium cation, boron monofluoride and molecular nitrogen. It has a molar mass of 28.0, which, according to the ideal gas law, makes it slightly less dense than air, whose average molar mass is 28.8.

The carbon and oxygen are connected by a triple bond that consists of a net two pi bonds and one sigma bond. The bond length between the carbon atom and the oxygen atom is 112.8 pm.[11][12] This bond length is consistent with a triple bond, as in molecular nitrogen (N2), which has a similar bond length (109.76 pm) and nearly the same molecular mass. Carbon–oxygen double bonds are significantly longer, 120.8 pm in formaldehyde, for example.[13] The boiling point (82 K) and melting point (68 K) are very similar to those of N2 (77 K and 63 K, respectively). The bond-dissociation energy of 1072 kJ/mol is stronger than that of N2 (942 kJ/mol) and represents the strongest chemical bond known.[14]

The ground electronic state of carbon monoxide is a singlet state[15] since there are no unpaired electrons.
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Reply #22 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 6:58pm
 
So you googled it, but still did not give a simple explanation.

I read the first three pages of the China Bioweapon crud again.

You were blown out of the water by various people who clearly do have tertiary qualifications unlike you.
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Carbon monoxide is actually a weak GHG, one of the very few two-atom molecules to be so.
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Reply #24 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 7:23pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 6:58pm:
So you googled it, but still did not give a simple explanation.

I read the first three pages of the China Bioweapon crud again.

You were blown out of the water by various people who clearly do have tertiary qualifications unlike you.



Listen fool,
chemistry is not simple - it's a diabolical subject at Uni.
I was never any good at it.
I did other studies.
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Uni  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

3rd year HS more like. And I only have to point to the crud you posted in the bioweapon thread to show the complete lack of education you have.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 7:26pm:
Uni  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

3rd year HS more like. And I only have to point to the crud you posted in the bioweapon thread to show the complete lack of education you have.



I won the poll 3 to 1

so I should receive an Ozpolitic journalist award for excellence.

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Such wonderful video these days on Hybridization Theory.
I remember leaving lectures at Uni on this thinking -
what the hell was that professor talking about?
The kids are lucky these days.





This one even makes it more interesting with sound effects and great visuals:



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Reply #30 - Jan 1st, 2025 at 3:15pm
 
. . .and scrofulous fairy.

With a valency of four, how does carbon monoxide even form, scumbag post thief and high school dropout?
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 3:15pm:
. . .and scrofulous fairy.

With a valency of four, how does carbon monoxide even form, scumbag post thief and high school dropout?



It's all here poof:


Bobby. wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 3:02pm:
Such wonderful video these days on Hybridization Theory.
I remember leaving lectures at Uni on this thinking -
what the hell was that professor talking about?
The kids are lucky these days.





This one even makes it more interesting with sound effects and great visuals:





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Hybridization of CO (Carbon Monoxide)





Today in this video, we are going to learn the hybridization of CO molecules. It is a chemical formula for Carbon Monoxide. To understand the hybridization of the molecule, we will first look at its Lewis structure and find out how many hybrid orbitals are formed.

After finding out the total number of hybrid orbitals formed for the molecule, we can find out the hybridization of the central atom. In this video, we use a simple method of finding a steric number to find the hybridization. Along with hybridization, we also look at the molecular geometry and bond angles of this molecule.
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You don’t know, do you cunt.
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Orbital Overlap Diagram of CO (carbon monoxide)





Both the carbon AND the oxygen are "sp" hybridized, and therefore the two hybrid orbitals are arranged LINEARLY.
THEN, one of the leftover 2p orbitals is drawn in the "up-down" direction ... they 'overlap' to make one of the pi bonds (the "double" bond).
The other leftover 2p orbital is drawn in the "forward-backward" direction, and they overlap to make the second pi bond (the "triple" bond).
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LOLOLOLOL!

Uneducated scumbag thinks google = education.

how is CO possible, scumbag?
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Reply #36 - Jan 1st, 2025 at 3:31pm
 
Not as simple as simpleton Monk thinks.   Roll Eyes


Molecular Orbital diagram of CO Molecule| CO molecule as sigma donor
and pi acceptor molecule | CO



Molecular Orbital diagram of CO Molecule| CO molecule as sigma donor and pi acceptor molecule
In this video I have discussed Mixing of Orbitals of Different Electronegativity Elements, Comparison with Iso-electronic molecule N2, Shape of σ and π orbitals of CO molecule, Zeff(O) less than Zeff(C).
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Google Google Google

Don’t deprive me, no don’t!

Google Google Google


You stupid donkey and post thief scumbag!
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Monk asks a question which shows he never went beyond high school.  Roll Eyes

Quote:
With a valency of four, how does carbon monoxide even form?



CO molecule is sigma donor and pi acceptor molecule.  Roll Eyes



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Scumbag post thief, with a valency of four how do we get carbin monoxide?
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 4:08pm:
Scumbag post thief, with a valency of four how do we get carbin monoxide?



What's carbin?

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Scumbag post thief you have no idea how four–valence carbon can form carbon monoxide, do you, post thief and scumbag poofter?
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 4:26pm:
Scumbag post thief you have no idea how four–valence carbon can form carbon monoxide,
do you, post thief and scumbag poofter?


Many blessings.

Since it was over 40 years ago that I studied chemistry -
organic and inorganic -
I must admit that I had forgotten much of the Hybridization Theory
and I'm not sure I even studied Carbon Monoxide -
and I admitted that I struggled with chemistry and went on to learn other subjects.

In any case I found the answers for you.
Now thank me and apologise for being so rude on New Year's day.

forgiven

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40 years ago—in junior high school, right, scumbag?

That you, scumbag post thief and poof, say you don’t know has rarity value—it is true and honest. CO is not discussed in junior high school.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 4:56pm:
40 years ago—in junior high school, right, scumbag?

That you, scumbag post thief and poof, say you don’t know has rarity value—it is true and honest. CO is not discussed in junior high school.



The Hybridization model of Carbon Monoxide.   Roll Eyes

Did you study that?
You wouldn't have asked such a puerile question if you had.
You sound like a school boy.  Roll Eyes

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LOL, you did some googling  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Understanding the Atom: Intro Quantum and Electron Configurations (English)


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Reply #47 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 6:53am
 
Bobby, if only you'd be able to answer every other question put to you with such researched accuracy you'd never need to post in the fringe...

It's very transparent when you've provided an answer vs copied something from google.

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SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 6:53am:
Bobby, if only you'd be able to answer every other question put to you with such researched accuracy you'd never need to post in the fringe...

It's very transparent when you've provided an answer vs copied something from google.

It's like a totally different person is replying.



Chemical bonds.
I studied SP1  SP2 and SP3 orbitals at Uni but I couldn't remember much from 40 years ago
so yes I had to resort to Google to help me.
Monk asking me about the valency of carbon in a carbon monoxide bond
showed a question from High School where it is all simplified for the kids.
When you get to Uni you realise you were only told 1% of the story.

I was watching Hybridization of atomic orbitals YouTube videos and one
mentioned the time independent Schrodinger equation and Hamiltonian mechanics used to derive them –
Here at  5:21   and  5:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azI-_S6g8C8

Then I went to here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamiltonian_mechanics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation

and realised I was way out of my depth. LOL
At least some videos tried to simplify it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewtgUFSMsnY

I’m glad I didn’t try to study chemistry any more than I did at Uni –
I would never have passed. It was not a strong subject for me.
I went on to study other subjects.
I find it remarkable that any human being was able to work all of that out for themselves.

Certainly Monk never gave an intellectual reply -
he doesn't haven't a clue about it.  Roll Eyes
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Monk went to Uni, you didn’t.

LOL, what a clown! The answer to the CO question can be at whatever level and I knew it would stump the liar. I dunno the answer either without a LOT of reading—I did Chemistry 1 and I narrowly flunked it. Yet chemistry was my fave subject in high school—things change.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 6:28pm:
Monk went to Uni, you didn’t.

LOL, what a clown! The answer to the CO question can be at whatever level and I knew it would stump the liar. I dunno the answer either without a LOT of reading—I did Chemistry 1 and I narrowly flunked it. Yet chemistry was my fave subject in high school—things change.



I answered your question Monk so apologise.
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LOL.

You owe me several apologies you ASPD lunatic!
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 7:18pm:
LOL.

You owe me several apologies you ASPD lunatic!


Monk,
I'll write the apology for you.


I'm sorry Bobby -
yes - I had never heard of the hybridization of atomic orbitals.
I realise thanks to you that I was told fairy stories at high school about chemical bonds.
I learnt a lot from the videos you posted and I appreciate your knowledge.
I wish that I would have been a scientist like you.


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“. . . a scientist like you.”

I thought you were an engineer? You chop and change a lot, one reason nobody believes what you say.

Lemmee see if I have this right:

1. Waaayyyyy back when you said you attended Uni couldn’t tell us the course or it would identify you.

2. You told me you did 6 years tertiary but not Uni.

3. Then you told me you did 6 years Uni

4. Then you told me it was 6 years, part Uni part not.


Seeing how bloody stupid you are—and just look at the Chinese Bioweapon thread for continued boneheaded stupidity—I believe you dropped out of high school.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 7:48pm:
“. . . a scientist like you.”

I thought you were an engineer? You chop and change a lot, one reason nobody believes what you say.



Engineers use science.   Roll Eyes


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An engineer is not a scientist and vv.

But you have no science.

Stupid—you fell for DuByne’s obvious bullshit.
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Stupid, look at this from you:

Quote:
Yep - I was right

https://www.newsnationnow.com/health/coronavirus/covid-lab-leak-misinformation-r...

COVID-19 came from lab leak, report finds

COVID-19 most likely emerged from a laboratory in Wuhan, report finds
Report says public officials spread misinfo by pushing back on lab leak
Masks and mask mandates were ineffective at controlling the spread

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Updated: Dec 2, 2024 / 08:16 PM CST

Not sure how to find NewsNation on your TV? Find your channel here.  Get 24/7 fact-based unbiased news coverage with the NewsNation app.

(NewsNation) — A final congressional report on COVID-19 released Monday has determined the virus likely emerged from a lab accident in China and that the U.S. government perpetrated “misinformation” by incorrectly calling the lab leak theory a “conspiracy.”

The House Oversight and Accountability Committee’s COVID-19 panel, controlled by Republicans, issued its 520-page report two years after its investigation began and ahead of a hearing this week.

The report affirmed what has long been the leading theory, stating that a “lab-related incident” involving gain-of-function research in Wuhan is the most likely origin of the COVID-19 pandemic.


You didn’t even LOOK at the report!

I had a look and found like 3 major flaws. It was a political document.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 6:28pm:
Monk went to Uni, you didn’t.

LOL, what a clown! The answer to the CO question can be at whatever level and I knew it would stump the liar. I dunno the answer either without a LOT of reading—I did Chemistry 1 and I narrowly flunked it. Yet chemistry was my fave subject in high school—things change.



Yet you have to pass Chemistry to do Geology:

https://www.adelaide.edu.au/degree-finder/bsc_bscmige.html

https://adelaideuni.edu.au/study/degrees/bachelor-of-science-geology/


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Back in 1966, idiot?

I might have narrowly got a Level II pass? This is nearly 60 years ago FFS.
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See how Zoology fits in with geology now, idiot?

From your link:

Majors
The Bachelor of Science is also available with majors in the following:

Geology and Earth Resources
Geology and Palaeontology
Geophysics
Evolutionary Biology and Palaeontology

Geophysics is too boring.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 7:47am:
See how Zoology fits in with geology now, idiot?

From your link:

Majors
The Bachelor of Science is also available with majors in the following:

Geology and Earth Resources
Geology and Palaeontology
Geophysics
Evolutionary Biology and Palaeontology

Geophysics is too boring.



Monk - you said you had a BSc in geology and zoology -
yet you failed Chemistry - it is among the hardest of all subjects.

Zoology also requires Chemistry.
https://set.adelaide.edu.au/ua/media/7375/bsc-adv-zoology.pdf

* Students who successfully complete CHEM 1101 and CHEM 1201
and who wish to continue their study of Chemistry at Level II will be
required to undertake an additional course, CHEM 1312 Foundations
of Chemistry IS during Summer School before commencing Level II
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You are quoting 2024 rules when I studied chemistry in 1966.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 8:43am:
You are quoting 2024 rules when I studied chemistry in 1966.



Monk - I think you're bullshitting about your BSc in geology and zoology.

You failed Chemistry yet Chemistry is required for both your "majors" -

that would have been just as true in 1966.   Embarrassed
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Well, I studied Zoology and Geology to third year level. So you are wrong.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 9:08am:
Well, I studied Zoology and Geology to third year level. So you are wrong.



Yet you'd never heard of the hybridization of atomic orbitals?     Embarrassed
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LOL!
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 9:33am:
LOL!



Stop talking to other people here as though they were the girl in the pie shop.   Roll Eyes
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But you ARE the girl in the pie shop! And an avid doxxer and a continual liar and a nincompoop!


“Question to ‘brave’ Booby”

You have not demonstrated any bravery.

You have demonstrated ASPD.

What sort of pillock changes the title of every one of his posts to “brave Sir Booby?” That is pillockyness of a very high level. A level where no one can take you seriously.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 9:47am:
But you ARE the girl in the pie shop! And an avid doxxer and a continual liar and a nincompoop!


“Question to ‘brave’ Booby”

You have not demonstrated any bravery.

You have demonstrated ASPD.

What sort of pillock changes the title of every one of his posts to “brave Sir Booby?” That is pillockyness of a very high level. A level where no one can take you seriously.



The girl in pie shop doesn't know about the hybridization of atomic orbitals.   Roll Eyes
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One element of your nincompoopery is in claiming a high view rate for the pathetic animal videos you post, off topic, in your MRB.

I posted in my board about the new virus filling hospitals to overflowing in China. 15 “people” have read it. I have kept a close eye on it and haven’t seen a member’s name appear. So 15 “guests” or bots have viewed it or most of those 15 were guests/bots.

That happens to your banal YouTubes—bits follow the link to YouTube (or wherever.) I doubt many members watch them—they are pretty bloody crap.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 9:55am:
One element of your nincompoopery is in claiming a high view rate for the pathetic animal videos you post, off topic, in your MRB.

I posted in my board about the new virus filling hospitals to overflowing in China. 15 “people” have read it. I have kept a close eye on it and haven’t seen a member’s name appear. So 15 “guests” or bots have viewed it or most of those 15 were guests/bots.

That happens to your banal YouTubes—bits follow the link to YouTube (or wherever.) I doubt many members watch them—they are pretty bloody crap.



Monk - shut up,
stop stealing my videos and apologise
for lying about your so called degree.
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I will copy Critters and Gardens stuff to my MRB.

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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 3:36pm:
I will copy Critters and Gardens stuff to my MRB.

My degree is real. You are a high school dropout.


Geology is all about rocks -
how can you understand how they were formed and what's in them if you failed chemistry?


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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 3:52pm:
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Monk -

why does Iron have many oxidation states?
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 3:57pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 3:52pm:
You know nothing about geology or science or anything much.



Monk -

why does Iron have many oxidation states?



Monk doesn't know.   Roll Eyes
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 4:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 3:57pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 3:52pm:
You know nothing about geology or science or anything much.



Monk -

why does Iron have many oxidation states?



Monk doesn't know.   Roll Eyes



How can a geologist not know that?     Roll Eyes

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I have already mentioned the two main oxidation states. Some weird ones may exist given where Fe is in the periodic table.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 5:00pm:
I have already mentioned the two main oxidation states. Some weird ones may exist given where Fe is in the periodic table.



Why does Iron have many oxidation states?


e.g.  Fe2+     Fe3+
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Did you find the oxidation states I gave yesterday?
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 5:20pm:
Did you find the oxidation states I gave yesterday?



What - here:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 3:12pm:
Maybe it is like copper and iron

—cuprous, cupric

—ferrous, ferric


What you reckon
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 5:29pm:
Yay! You found them!



To anyone as Monk doesn't know:


Why does Iron have many oxidation states?

e.g.  Fe2+     Fe3+
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 5:31pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 5:29pm:
Yay! You found them!



To anyone as Monk doesn't know:


Why does Iron have many oxidation states?

e.g.  Fe2+     Fe3+



Alright - here's an answer.

https://www.vaia.com/en-us/textbooks/chemistry/chemistry-atoms-first-3-edition/c...


The variety of oxidation states in transition metals is mainly due to the involvement of electrons
from both the outermost s and inner d orbitals in bonding,
and the specific stability associated with losing different numbers of these electrons.

Stable Electron Configurations.
An element achieves stability by reaching a lower energy configuration.
For transition metals, losing or gaining electrons to balance s and d orbitals can lead to multiple stable oxidation states.

For example, iron (Fe) can achieve stability in both the +2 and +3 oxidation states.
In the +2 state, iron loses two 4s electrons while in the +3 state,
it loses two 4s electrons and one 3d electron.
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Monk -
this will help you:


Electron Configuration for Fe, Fe2+, and Fe3+ (Iron and Iron Ions)


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Yes, I knew you had googled up some info.

By mid Feb you won’t remember any of it.

Your stupid “Chinese bioweapon” thread shows that you are a loq IQ idiot, regardless of how much googling you do.
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Geology of iron.
What a true geologist would know:


https://geology.com/rocks/iron-ore.shtml#


What is Iron Ore?

Earth's most important iron ore deposits are found in sedimentary rocks. They formed from chemical reactions that combined iron and oxygen in marine and fresh waters. The two most important minerals in these deposits are iron oxides: hematite (Fe2O3) and magnetite (Fe3O4). These iron ores have been mined to produce almost every iron and steel object that we use today - from paper clips to automobiles to the steel beams in skyscrapers.


How Does Iron Ore Form?
Nearly all of Earth's major iron ore deposits are in rocks that formed over 1.8 billion years ago. At that time Earth's oceans contained abundant dissolved iron and almost no dissolved oxygen.

The iron ore deposits began forming when the first organisms capable of photosynthesis began releasing oxygen into the waters. This oxygen immediately combined with the abundant dissolved iron to produce hematite or magnetite.
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Keep googling.

What did they mine at Iron Knob?

What are they mining now?
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 7:56pm:
Keep googling.

What did they mine at Iron Knob?

What are they mining now?


Knobs? Is that the rock you crawled out from under?
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 7:56pm:
Keep googling.

What did they mine at Iron Knob?

What are they mining now?

Actually, mining at Iron Knob has stopped.

They were going to go onto the other iron ore deposits (Iron Duke etc) but they bought plant and mined magnetite.

I know this because one of the brewshop customers graduated as a surveyor and went there to survey and map the other deposits. He came back some months later—driving a much newer, better car—and told me the other deposits would wait while they mined the magnetite at the Knob.
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https://www.britannica.com/place/Iron-Knob

Iron Knob, town, northeastern Eyre Peninsula, South Australia,
247 miles (397 km) northwest of Adelaide by rail.
It is the centre for one of the richest deposits of iron ore in the Southern Hemisphere.
Mining rights were acquired in 1897, and in 1901 the Broken Hill Proprietary Company, Ltd.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Knob

Mine closure and re-opening

Quarrying for iron at Iron Knob and Iron Monarch ended in 1998.[28] When the quarrying stopped, the town population declined to 200[29] and Iron Knob was under threat of becoming a ghost town. However, due to rising prices of housing elsewhere, the town has attracted new residents seeking low cost residences. A home could be purchased for approximately A$35,000–70,000 and vacant land could be purchased for less than A$15,000.

In 2010, Onesteel (later Arrium) announced that it would return to Iron Knob to reopen the Iron Monarch mine.[28] The Iron Monarch mine was prepared for reopening by Arrium in 2013.[30] As of 2015, both Iron Monarch and Iron Duke continue to produce iron ore for export and for smelting at the Whyalla Steelworks.
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Monk,
you're not doing well so far with questions about geology -
which includes chemistry.

We haven't even got on to zoology yet.   Embarrassed
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Hi Monk,
here are some multiple choice zoology questions to get you started:

The basic unit of biological classification is      

A.GENUS
B.SPECIES
C.PHYLUM
D.ORDER

STUDY OF INSECTS IS CALLED:

A.POMOLOGY
B.MALACOLOGY
C.ENTOMOLOGY
D.Ornithology


Phenetic classification is based on:

A. the ancestral lineage of existing organisms      
B. observable characteristics of existing organisms      
C.Dendrograms based on DNA characteristics      
D.SEXUAL CHARACTERISTICS


Study of evolutionary history of an organism

A.Phenetics
B.Phenology
C.Phylogeny
D.Systematics
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Did all my exams back in the 1960s, idiot.

Have you worked out just how badly you stuffed up in the Chinese bioweapon thread?

You claimed the 500+ pages of the US HoR report made you this huge author. Two problems with that:

1. You didn’t write it and in fact didn’t read it

2. I showed just how wrong and flawed the report was.

You are now using google to try to appear all clevah and edumacated. You can play your game by yourself.
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Monk can't answer 4 little multiple choice questions.    Undecided
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Why did you STEAL my post re dogs?

Do you feel the need for post count that badly?

You can’t deny that ASPD has you clutched good and hard.
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Cat got your tongue?
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Note the lack of response, the lack of remorse. Indicators that Booby has ASPD and has it pretty bad.
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Reply #102 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 12:10pm
 
Is Monk a type of Walter Mitty?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mitty#External_links


Mitty is a meek, mild-mannered man with a vivid fantasy life. In a few dozen paragraphs, he imagines himself a wartime pilot, an emergency-room surgeon, and a devil-may-care killer. Although the story has humorous elements, there is a darker and more significant message underlying the text, leading to a more tragic interpretation of the Mitty character. Even in his heroic daydreams, Mitty does not triumph, several fantasies being interrupted before the final one sees Mitty dying bravely in front of a firing squad. In the brief snatches of reality that punctuate Mitty's fantasies, the reader meets well-meaning but insensitive strangers who inadvertently rob Mitty of some of his remaining dignity.

The character's name has come into more general use to refer to an ineffectual dreamer and appears in several dictionaries.[2] The American Heritage Dictionary defines a Walter Mitty as "an ordinary, often ineffectual person who indulges in fantastic daydreams of personal triumphs"
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And we see diversion.

A person with ASPD doesn’t have a conscience. So the thieving arsehole doesn’t like to be called thieving arsehole tho he is, in fact, a thieving arsehole.

Why did you STEAL that post, thieving arsehole? It DOES show you have ASPD.
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Well?
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 5th, 2025 at 12:10pm:
Is Monk a type of Walter Mitty?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mitty#External_links


Mitty is a meek, mild-mannered man with a vivid fantasy life. In a few dozen paragraphs, he imagines himself a wartime pilot, an emergency-room surgeon, and a devil-may-care killer. Although the story has humorous elements, there is a darker and more significant message underlying the text, leading to a more tragic interpretation of the Mitty character. Even in his heroic daydreams, Mitty does not triumph, several fantasies being interrupted before the final one sees Mitty dying bravely in front of a firing squad. In the brief snatches of reality that punctuate Mitty's fantasies, the reader meets well-meaning but insensitive strangers who inadvertently rob Mitty of some of his remaining dignity.

The character's name has come into more general use to refer to an ineffectual dreamer and appears in several dictionaries.[2] The American Heritage Dictionary defines a Walter Mitty as "an ordinary, often ineffectual person who indulges in fantastic daydreams of personal triumphs"



Monk also has 30 pages of videos he stole from my MRB:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1664937192/435
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Reply #106 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 12:17pm
 
Now we will see avoidance.

A person with ASPD doesn’t feel that theft etc are bad things to do so he hates to be asked to be responsible.
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Reply #107 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 12:18pm
 
Hi Monk,
here are some multiple choice zoology questions to get you started:

The basic unit of biological classification is      

A.GENUS
B.SPECIES
C.PHYLUM
D.ORDER

STUDY OF INSECTS IS CALLED:

A.POMOLOGY
B.MALACOLOGY
C.ENTOMOLOGY
D.Ornithology


Phenetic classification is based on:

A. the ancestral lineage of existing organisms      
B. observable characteristics of existing organisms      
C.Dendrograms based on DNA characteristics      
D.SEXUAL CHARACTERISTICS


Study of evolutionary history of an organism

A.Phenetics
B.Phenology
C.Phylogeny
D.Systematics
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OK, one more bit of diversion.

The thieving arsehole’s thievery will only acknowledged after a long drawn out process. This is because thieving arseholes don’t think their thievery is particularly wrong. Such is ASPD.
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Reply #109 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 12:21pm
 
Listen, thieving arsehole, why did you steal that post?
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Well?
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Monk is forgiven for indulging in fantasies about his fake qualifications -

he couldn't answer basic questions that were relevant to his
so called degree in geology and zoology.  Roll Eyes

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Booby has run away as I predicted.

As well as stealing posts from Critters and Gardens he has stolen my intellectual property.

One case involved a photo of Socks. The thieving arsehole downloaded this to his hard disk drive and THEN uploaded MY photo of MY dog to an image hosting website!

Theft pure and simple.

No explanation.

No apology.
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Reply #113 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 12:43pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 5th, 2025 at 12:38pm:
Monk is forgiven for indulging in fantasies about his fake qualifications -

he couldn't answer basic questions that were relevant to his
so called degree in geology and zoology.  Roll Eyes

namaste



He is also forgiven for stealing 30 pages of videos from my MRB
and posting them in his MRB.

He was unable to find his own content.

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So, thieving arsehole, care to explain why you stole a photo of Socks and uploaded that to an image hosting website?

You could not have believed that the photo belonged to you, so it was an act of theft. You are a thief.
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Notice no acknowledgement of wrong doing, no remorse? ASPD write large.
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Monk is forgiven

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Why did you upload that photo of Socks to an image hosting website, Booby?

You know that was theft, right?
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Booby, you KNEW that was wrong, was theft, right?
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Monk is forgiven

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Socks is so cute:

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I trust people see now why I no longer post photos/videos of my beautiful , sweet dog? THIEVES!
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Monk is forgiven

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Why did you steal that photo of Socks? Was it for some pansy sex/pornography or what?
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As I said some posts back, after attempts at diversion we get avoidance. Classic ASPD behavior.
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That's one ugly depressed mutt.
Looks like it's just crapped in its own bed like its owner does.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Jasin wrote on Jan 5th, 2025 at 6:31pm:
That's one ugly depressed mutt.
Looks like it's just crapped in its own bed like its owner does.



Lisa offered to give Socks a home in Sydney near Bondi beach.
Socks would have had a Labrador and 2 cats as her friends and
she could have been a Bondi beach dog having fun there -
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Reply #128 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 7:36pm
 
Lisa threatened to STEAL Socks. Socks is MY dog.

Socks us happy here.

Climate is agreeable, not too cold.

She gets a 2–5K walk here, every day except if there is heavy rain

Twice a week she has a run at the dog park, plays with her mates there.

A dozen or so times she does a fun run in the morning and one after lunch at the lure coursing club Fun Runs. Gets the chance to run really fast. Remember she is runner up Coursing Ability Test hound 2024?

Once a fortnight April–October she gets a lovely long run on the beach.


By contrast, in Larry’s Housing Commission flat she would have little space and I doubt Larry would walk—or feed—Socks every day.

Larry was just driven by jealousy, dickhead, that is all.

When I walk Socks in town she elicits many compliments “What a beautiful dog” being the main one tho her sweet nature is complimented too. People ask if she is a greyhound. I tell them “about 48% greyhound genes.” A few see the big muscles on her legs—“bet she can run!” They wouldn’t lose that bet! That second run at the last fun run for the year—man did she move! Practically flew around the course.
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Reply #129 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 7:40pm
 
Now, liar:

Listen, thieving arsehole, why did you steal that post?

Listen, thieving arsehole, why did you steal the photo of Socks?
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 5th, 2025 at 12:18pm:
Hi Monk,
here are some multiple choice zoology questions to get you started:

The basic unit of biological classification is      

A.GENUS
B.SPECIES
C.PHYLUM
D.ORDER

STUDY OF INSECTS IS CALLED:

A.POMOLOGY
B.MALACOLOGY
C.ENTOMOLOGY
D.Ornithology


Phenetic classification is based on:

A. the ancestral lineage of existing organisms      
B. observable characteristics of existing organisms      
C.Dendrograms based on DNA characteristics      
D.SEXUAL CHARACTERISTICS


Study of evolutionary history of an organism

A.Phenetics
B.Phenology
C.Phylogeny
D.Systematics



Monk had a golden opportunity to answer some questions
and we could have had an interesting conversation for everyone but
just look at what it turned into?

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Reply #131 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 8:13pm
 
Now, liar:

Listen, thieving arsehole, why did you steal that post?

Listen, thieving arsehole, why did you steal the photo of Socks?
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Well?
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Reply #133 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 9:28pm
 
Avoidance. Those with ASPD, like Booby, have no conscience. They do the crap they do for their own reasons NEVER considering the feeling of those they lie to or steal from. Because they have no conscience they don’t want to explain and can not show remorse for their crap actions.
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WELL!  Looks like 'Fringe' is another excellent free-for-all full of ad homs, insults and wide-ranging culcha wars!!  Never been the same since Laughing Boy bit the dust ....  Wink

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