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Dec 31^st, 2024 at 3:49pm

I offer you a challenge. Get out in your local park, and bowl a ball with an arm extended like this bloke, straight, flexed, as his is as he runs in.

Don't change a thing about that, and see if without bending your elbow you can move your wrist as he does.

I can't.

No-one can bowl a ball at pace if they release the ball with an unbent elbow.

Now, I know that the MCC Rules allow some angle of bend, but is he at the edge of the envelope? I'm not saying he is illegal. I am saying I can't bowl a ball with a rigid, straight, hyper extended arm at the point of delivery. The ball just flops out.

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Re: Bumra
Reply #3 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 7:56am

Leroy wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.

Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!

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Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwi...

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Reply #4 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 9:07am

Aussie wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 3:49pm:

I offer you a challenge. Get out in your local park, and bowl a ball with an arm extended like this bloke, straight, flexed, as his is as he runs in.

Don't change a thing about that, and see if without bending your elbow you can move your wrist as he does.

I can't.

No-one can bowl a ball at pace if they release the ball with an unbent elbow.

Now, I know that the MCC Rules allow some angle of bend, but is he at the edge of the envelope? I'm not saying he is illegal. I am saying I can't bowl a ball with a rigid, straight, hyper extended arm at the point of delivery. The ball just flops out.

It's been a big pub discussion .... me not ever playing cricket except in the back yard & the odd social game - listened ... several blokes called him a chucker ... like Murali.... different action but still a chucker.

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Re: Bumra
Reply #5 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 10:26am

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.

Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!

Quote:

Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwi...

Maybe I didn't say it right, if any Australian questions Bumrah's action it will be immediately drowned out with calls of racism and jealously and only because Bumrah is too good for them.

At least Bumrah is a good bloke, I like watching him.

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Reply #6 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 10:41am

Leroy wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 10:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.

Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!

Quote:

Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwi...

Maybe I didn't say it right, if any Australian questions Bumrah's action it will be immediately drowned out with calls of racism and jealously and only because Bumrah is too good for them.

At least Bumrah is a good bloke, I like watching him.

I haven't heard anyone question the legality of Bumra's action....He is unusual but not breaking any laws???

Huh

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Reply #7 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 12:20pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 10:41am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 10:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.

Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!

Quote:

Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwi...

Maybe I didn't say it right, if any Australian questions Bumrah's action it will be immediately drowned out with calls of racism and jealously and only because Bumrah is too good for them.

At least Bumrah is a good bloke, I like watching him.

I haven't heard anyone question the legality of Bumra's action....He is unusual but not breaking any laws???

Huh

I suppose that would be difficult under that rock of yours. Roll Eyes

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Re: Bumra
Reply #8 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 12:32pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 10:41am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 10:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.

Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!

Quote:

Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwi...

Maybe I didn't say it right, if any Australian questions Bumrah's action it will be immediately drowned out with calls of racism and jealously and only because Bumrah is too good for them.

At least Bumrah is a good bloke, I like watching him.

I haven't heard anyone question the legality of Bumra's action....He is unusual but not breaking any laws???

Huh

That's rules not laws - and since Murali the ICC has changed the rules from a maximum 5 degree bend in elbow to 15 degrees.

So changing the rules to accommodate chuckers instead of making them change their action & bowl within the rules.

But we can't have that because it's wacist.

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Reply #9 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 2:32pm

Gnads wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 10:41am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 10:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.

Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!

Quote:

Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwi...

Maybe I didn't say it right, if any Australian questions Bumrah's action it will be immediately drowned out with calls of racism and jealously and only because Bumrah is too good for them.

At least Bumrah is a good bloke, I like watching him.

I haven't heard anyone question the legality of Bumra's action....He is unusual but not breaking any laws???

Huh

I suppose that would be difficult under that rock of yours. Roll Eyes

Suppose you show us where Bumra's action has been called illegal by anyone....You like throwing stones but never back it up....Typical guttless turd!!!

Roll Eyes

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Reply #10 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 3:07pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.

Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!

Quote:

Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwi...

Exactly. Leroy ought just shut on every matter except his Wife about whom he chose to post. No-one can call him on that stuff. He is 100% wrong on all other issues.

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Reply #11 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 3:08pm

Gnads wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 9:07am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 3:49pm:

I offer you a challenge. Get out in your local park, and bowl a ball with an arm extended like this bloke, straight, flexed, as his is as he runs in.

Don't change a thing about that, and see if without bending your elbow you can move your wrist as he does.

I can't.

No-one can bowl a ball at pace if they release the ball with an unbent elbow.

Now, I know that the MCC Rules allow some angle of bend, but is he at the edge of the envelope? I'm not saying he is illegal. I am saying I can't bowl a ball with a rigid, straight, hyper extended arm at the point of delivery. The ball just flops out.

It's been a big pub discussion .... me not ever playing cricket except in the back yard & the odd social game - listened ... several blokes called him a chucker ... like Murali.... different action but still a chucker.

Get out in your back yard and try to bowl a ball with a totally stiff hyper-extended arm. Test it yourself.

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Reply #12 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 3:12pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 2:32pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 10:41am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 10:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.

Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!

Quote:

Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwi...

Maybe I didn't say it right, if any Australian questions Bumrah's action it will be immediately drowned out with calls of racism and jealously and only because Bumrah is too good for them.

At least Bumrah is a good bloke, I like watching him.

I haven't heard anyone question the legality of Bumra's action....He is unusual but not breaking any laws???

Huh

I suppose that would be difficult under that rock of yours. Roll Eyes

Suppose you show us where Bumra's action has been called illegal by anyone....You like throwing stones but never back it up....Typical guttless turd!!!

Roll Eyes

I'm calling it into question. I cannot assert it is illegal but I do ask you to try it yourself. Bowl a cricket ball at your 4 year old Grand Son and retain a totally stiff hyper extended bowling arm. The ball will just about only flop out.

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Reply #13 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 3:32pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 3:07pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.

Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!

Quote:

Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwi...

Exactly. Leroy ought just shut on every matter except his Wife about whom he chose to post. No-one can call him on that stuff. He is 100% wrong on all other issues.

There is no requirement to read my posts, there is no requirement to believe anything I say, there is no requirement for me to provide you with anything.

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Reply #14 - Jan 1^st, 2025 at 4:26pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 3:32pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 3:07pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31^st, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.

Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!

Quote:

Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwi...

Exactly. Leroy ought just shut on every matter except his Wife about whom he chose to post. No-one can call him on that stuff. He is 100% wrong on all other issues.

There is no requirement to read my posts, there is no requirement to believe anything I say, there is no requirement for me to provide you with anything.

Correct, but I'll come back at you if/when I see your bullshit.

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