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Unions deny people the right to work
Jan 2nd, 2025 at 12:52pm
 
Unions deny people the right to choose. They deny people the right to think for themselves. And they charge them for the privilege.

John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 3:47pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 8:55am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 6:39am:
freediver wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 8:07pm:
What part of more money and more time did you not understand?



no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS


You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?


I'm sure you'll come up with something stupid


Travel expenses are a good example. Should a person be allowed to accept a job that pays just below minimum wages, if they have zero travel costs, when the alternative is a long, expensive commute for a minimum wage job?

Or what if the alternative is being on the dole because the unions have succeeded in denying them the right to work?

These are the sorts of real life problems that the unions don't care about when they get on their high horse and deny people the right to work.

Another is even simpler - should people be allowed to accept the job that they actually want to do, rather than only the jobs that some imbecile union thug thinks they should?

Gnads wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 7:44pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 7:36pm:
whiteknight wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 7:30pm:
There most certainly should be a minimum wage.  Thank heavens for the good unions of Australia.   Smiley 


Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?



Freediver the shonky slave labour hire arsehole.

Why should bosses be in Unions & workers not?

Answer the question.


That's a pretty stupid question Gnads.

Gnads wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 7:47pm:
All you're doing is advocating for someone to be a scab & to take less to get their job.


This is a tired old mantra that the unions get their mindless cheerleaders to chant.

I am advocating that people be allowed to think for themselves, rather than have the unions do it for them. Because the unions ultimately serve themselves.

Gnads wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 7:50pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 8:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 7:47pm:
whiteknight wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 7:46pm:
I would prefer the person where ever they work, was paid no less than the minimum wage.   Sad


Do you understand that if you deny people the right to work, they get paid nothing? You make them unemployed.

Now that you understand the consequences, would you like to have another go at answering? Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?

What makes you think the what you would prefer ought to over-ride what they prefer? Do you consider them to be incapable of thinking for themselves? After all, you do not know and do not care about their specific circumstances, but they do. They might even get paid less because of your actions, once you consider all the other costs you impose on them by denying them the right to choose for themselves.


People have the right to work for whatever they want. If you want you can register as a small business and clean peoples houses for $2hr, the only thing you can't do is employ someone else to do the same. Anyone can work for a low income if they need to survive. For some its easier to lean on the government than putting in the effort to survive.



When you earn less than the dole what would be the point in that sort of stupidity?


Who said anything about working for less than the dole Gnads?

Gnads wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 7:53pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 8:55am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 6:39am:
freediver wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 8:07pm:
What part of more money and more time did you not understand?



no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS


You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?



So you want people to have 2 maybe 3 jobs to survive ... like they have to do in the US?


Again, not what I am saying Gnads.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 9:04pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 8:55am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 6:39am:
freediver wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 8:07pm:
What part of more money and more time did you not understand?



no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS


You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?


Well they do stop people from earning less.

Lower minimum wages put downward pressure on all wages.


No they don't. More idiotic union mantras for the gullible.
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Re: Unions deny people the right to work
Reply #1 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:26pm
 
I think everyone has a right to join the labor party: unions or not.

I personally prefer Jasin saying “ I’m a confederate “ but it bothers me not if your with the union.

Two years ago I left my job of 7 years and took a $300 a week haircut to my wages to work both closer to home and more so too work for a particular manager who/she is a living legend in my industry.

Best career move I have ever made.

It’s not always about $$$
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Don’t vote for any of them. They just want your money!
 
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Reply #2 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:30pm
 
See, I  told you that you'd come up with something stupid.

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Reply #3 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:31pm
 

Didn't Gina want to employ mine workers for $2 an hour?   Undecided
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Reply #4 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:42pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:31pm:
Didn't Gina want to employ mine workers for $2 an hour?   Undecided


She would if she could, and the unions would have you believe she could employ Australians at that price.
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Re: Unions deny people the right to work
Reply #5 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:42pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:31pm:
Didn't Gina want to employ mine workers for $2 an hour?   Undecided


She would if she could, and the unions would have you believe she could employ Australians at that price.



She said it - what a greedy fat capitalist.   Shocked
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Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:46pm
 
I'm pretty sure if you look up what she actually said, it is something quite different, and undeniably true. This is just another mindless union scare tactic.
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Reply #7 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:48pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:42pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:31pm:
Didn't Gina want to employ mine workers for $2 an hour?   Undecided


She would if she could, and the unions would have you believe she could employ Australians at that price.



She said it - what a greedy fat capitalist.   Shocked


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Reply #8 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:52pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:46pm:
I'm pretty sure if you look up what she actually said, it is something quite different, and undeniably true. This is just another mindless union scare tactic.



Why couldn't she say -

the universe created all this wealth in the ground just waiting for us to dig up and sell.
There is enough for us all to be rich.
I will pay you well for your efforts.
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Reply #9 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 2:10pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:30pm:
See, I  told you that you'd come up with something stupid.


At least I’m reliable 😅
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Reply #10 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 2:13pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 1:46pm:
I'm pretty sure if you look up what she actually said, it is something quite different, and undeniably true. This is just another mindless union scare tactic.



Why couldn't she say -

the universe created all this wealth in the ground just waiting for us to dig up and sell.
There is enough for us all to be rich.
I will pay you well for your efforts.


Yes and then we all break into singing the National anthem and hug.
That’s what should have happened but it didn’t and it won’t.
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Reply #11 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 12:52pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 9:04pm:
Well they do stop people from earning less.

Lower minimum wages put downward pressure on all wages.


No they don't. More idiotic union mantras for the gullible.


If the low wage is $10 an employee after a time is assessed to be doing well and increased to say $14

The Low wage gets pushed down to $8 and an employee is assessed to be doing well gets increased to $12

It will operate like that right through the pay scale.
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Reply #12 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:10pm
 
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Rinehart’s call to pay workers $2 a day out of touch
and just plain wrong


Gina Rinehart is not only Australia’s richest person, she is also clearly the most out of touch and
cold-hearted Australian, based on her latest attack on workers and their rights, say unions.
ACTU President Ged Kearney said it was almost inconceivable that anyone would consider paying
workers $2 a day a fair concept, let alone the richest person in the country advocating for it.
“If Gina Rinehart seriously thinks Australians should be competing with African workers who are
paid $2 day, then she has no idea about fairness or equality – the values on which Australia was
built,” Ms Kearney said.
“It’s time we stopped listening to people like Ms Rinehart, who continually shows she has no
interest in using her wealth to grow Australian jobs or support the local economy and now she
appears to be suggesting we should look to Africa for our future.
“Perhaps she wouldn’t feel so buoyant about the African workplace relations system if she
personally had to work surrounded by war, poverty and disease – let alone live on such abysmal
wages. Ms Rinehart’s attitude is an insult to millions of working Australians.”

https://www.actu.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/media110745acturelease120905-...
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Reply #13 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:11pm
 
FD - Did a union at some time make you pay someone a fair wage ?
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Reply #14 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:12pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:10pm:
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Rinehart’s call to pay workers $2 a day out of touch
and just plain wrong


Gina Rinehart is not only Australia’s richest person, she is also clearly the most out of touch and
cold-hearted Australian, based on her latest attack on workers and their rights, say unions.
ACTU President Ged Kearney said it was almost inconceivable that anyone would consider paying
workers $2 a day a fair concept, let alone the richest person in the country advocating for it.
“If Gina Rinehart seriously thinks Australians should be competing with African workers who are
paid $2 day, then she has no idea about fairness or equality – the values on which Australia was
built,” Ms Kearney said.
“It’s time we stopped listening to people like Ms Rinehart, who continually shows she has no
interest in using her wealth to grow Australian jobs or support the local economy and now she
appears to be suggesting we should look to Africa for our future.
“Perhaps she wouldn’t feel so buoyant about the African workplace relations system if she
personally had to work surrounded by war, poverty and disease – let alone live on such abysmal
wages. Ms Rinehart’s attitude is an insult to millions of working Australians.”

https://www.actu.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/media110745acturelease120905-...



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