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Reply #15 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:17pm
 
New year, new powers to tackle wage theft affecting one million workers
Media Release - January 1, 2025 ACTU
Employers can face jail time or fines of up to $7.85 million under new laws criminalising wage theft that come into operation today, after a long union campaign.

More than one million Australian workers experience wage theft by being paid below the national minimum wage or the lowest junior or casual rates in the awards system.   Sad

This includes one in three casual workers – or 875,000 casual employees – who are mostly working in the retail and hospitality sectors and 538,200 permanent workers, according to ACTU analysis of ABS data.

From today, an employer will now commit a criminal offence if they deliberately underpay their staff.   Smiley

A company can face fines of up to $7.85 million, or three times the amount of the underpayment, whichever is greater. An individual can face up to ten years in prison, and fines of up to $1.56 million, or three times the amount of the underpayment, whichever is greater.

Civil penalties for wage underpayments will also increase today by as much as 25 times for larger companies engaged in serious contraventions that could now be fined up to $4.95 million.

Overall estimates of the extent of wage theft vary widely given that it is a practice deliberately hidden by employers. Audits by the Fair Work Ombudsman estimate the figure is between $850 million to $1.55 billion in stolen wages each year.

Superannuation theft is also estimated to cost 2.8 million Australian workers $5.1 billion a year and nearly $41.6 billion over the last nine years, according to the Super Members Council.   Sad

The new laws, introduced in the Closing Loopholes legislation in late 2023 are a direct response to widespread cases of wage theft that in many industries have become a standard business model. The new anti-wage theft laws cover all employers and employees covered by the Fair Work Act. The Director of Public Prosecutions and the Australian Federal Police will handle prosecutions, with investigations primarily conducted by the Fair Work Ombudsman.

Other measures to combat wage theft introduced by the Albanese Government include making it much easier for workers to access small claims tribunals to pursue wage underpayments and the upcoming pay day super reforms.

Peter Dutton and the Coalition have voted against all changes to combat wage theft. 

Quotes attributable to ACTU Acting Secretary, Joseph Mitchell:

“The tough laws that come into force today will make a huge contribution to ending wage theft as a business model.

“After a decade of inaction on wage theft and national scandals at places like 7-eleven, Commonwealth Bank and at universities this action is welcome. Workers deserve every dollar of their pay and super should get the money that is owed them.

“Businesses are on notice and need to pay their workers properly, especially vulnerable younger workers.

“That shouldn’t be a controversial thing to say, especially in a cost-of-living crisis. But apparently, it’s a bridge too far for Peter Dutton and the Opposition that has voted against these laws and presided over the explosion of wage theft as a business model during their near-decade in government.”   

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ACTU analysis of workers’ underpayment is based on ABS Characteristics of Employment Survey data released in December 2024.

The Survey asks respondents to provide a dollar amount of their last pay, before tax or deductions, and how many hours of work they completed to earn that pay.

The ACTU analysis of those figures demonstrates that a little over one in three casual workers is currently being paid below national minimum wage or minimum junior rates of pay, including the 25 percent loading they should receive for foregoing job security and paid leave.
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Note: it was 12 years ago and Australia did survive as did the rest of the western world - Sad for Gina of course.
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Reply #17 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:32pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 12:52pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 9:04pm:
Well they do stop people from earning less.

Lower minimum wages put downward pressure on all wages.


No they don't. More idiotic union mantras for the gullible.


If the low wage is $10 an employee after a time is assessed to be doing well and increased to say $14

The Low wage gets pushed down to $8 and an employee is assessed to be doing well gets increased to $12

It will operate like that right through the pay scale.


No it won't. Employees are not paid more because they are "assessed to be doing well". They are paid more so they don't leave for a better paying job.


Bobby. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:12pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:10pm:
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Rinehart’s call to pay workers $2 a day out of touch
and just plain wrong


Gina Rinehart is not only Australia’s richest person, she is also clearly the most out of touch and
cold-hearted Australian, based on her latest attack on workers and their rights, say unions.
ACTU President Ged Kearney said it was almost inconceivable that anyone would consider paying
workers $2 a day a fair concept, let alone the richest person in the country advocating for it.
“If Gina Rinehart seriously thinks Australians should be competing with African workers who are
paid $2 day, then she has no idea about fairness or equality – the values on which Australia was
built,” Ms Kearney said.
“It’s time we stopped listening to people like Ms Rinehart, who continually shows she has no
interest in using her wealth to grow Australian jobs or support the local economy and now she
appears to be suggesting we should look to Africa for our future.
“Perhaps she wouldn’t feel so buoyant about the African workplace relations system if she
personally had to work surrounded by war, poverty and disease – let alone live on such abysmal
wages. Ms Rinehart’s attitude is an insult to millions of working Australians.”

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Thanks Bobby. So the lie came directly from the unions, and keeps getting mindlessly parroted.
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Reply #18 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 12:52pm:
Travel expenses are a good example



yes they are. If one can only find a job a distance away, and boss is only offering below award wage, how does the employee afford travel?
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Reply #19 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:35pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:34pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 12:52pm:
Travel expenses are a good example



yes they are. If one can only find a job a distance away, and boss is only offering below award wage, how does the employee afford travel?


You are confused John.
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Reply #20 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:35pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:32pm:
Thanks Bobby. So the lie came directly from the unions, and keeps getting mindlessly parroted.



You're welcome.



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Reply #21 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:32pm:
They are paid more so they don't leave for a better paying job.

the usuall employers union rhetoric with no bearing on reality
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Reply #22 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:35pm:
You are confused John.



Only because you speak nonsense
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Reply #23 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:42pm
 
Superannuation theft is also estimated to cost 2.8 million Australian workers $5.1 billion a year and nearly $41.6 billion over the last nine years, according to the Super Members Council.   Sad
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Reply #24 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:46pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:36pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:32pm:
They are paid more so they don't leave for a better paying job.

the usuall employers union rhetoric with no bearing on reality


Why do you think people get raises?
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Reply #25 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:32pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 12:52pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 9:04pm:
Well they do stop people from earning less.

Lower minimum wages put downward pressure on all wages.


No they don't. More idiotic union mantras for the gullible.


If the low wage is $10 an employee after a time is assessed to be doing well and increased to say $14

The Low wage gets pushed down to $8 and an employee is assessed to be doing well gets increased to $12

It will operate like that right through the pay scale.


No it won't. Employees are not paid more because they are "assessed to be doing well". They are paid more so they don't leave for a better paying job.



It is a national minimum wage, it doesn't apply to one company, the other company is likely paying the same rate - that is the point in forcing down wages it isn't just one company they are all on board for lower wages.
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Reply #26 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:58pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:49pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:32pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 12:52pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 9:04pm:
Well they do stop people from earning less.

Lower minimum wages put downward pressure on all wages.


No they don't. More idiotic union mantras for the gullible.


If the low wage is $10 an employee after a time is assessed to be doing well and increased to say $14

The Low wage gets pushed down to $8 and an employee is assessed to be doing well gets increased to $12

It will operate like that right through the pay scale.


No it won't. Employees are not paid more because they are "assessed to be doing well". They are paid more so they don't leave for a better paying job.


It is a national minimum wage, it doesn't apply to one company, the other company is likely paying the same rate - that is the point in forcing down wages it isn't just one company they are all on board for lower wages.


You brought up the topic of why people get paid more than the minimum wage. It is nothing to do with what you claimed. Everyone who is not on minimum wage gets their salary dictated by market forces. That is why the unions cannot wave a magic wand and get everyone double the salary. The cost of minimum wages is higher unemployment. That is, it denies people the right to work and the right to decide for themselves.
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Reply #27 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 5:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:58pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:49pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:32pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 4:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 12:52pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 9:04pm:
Well they do stop people from earning less.

Lower minimum wages put downward pressure on all wages.


No they don't. More idiotic union mantras for the gullible.


If the low wage is $10 an employee after a time is assessed to be doing well and increased to say $14

The Low wage gets pushed down to $8 and an employee is assessed to be doing well gets increased to $12

It will operate like that right through the pay scale.


No it won't. Employees are not paid more because they are "assessed to be doing well". They are paid more so they don't leave for a better paying job.


It is a national minimum wage, it doesn't apply to one company, the other company is likely paying the same rate - that is the point in forcing down wages it isn't just one company they are all on board for lower wages.


You brought up the topic of why people get paid more than the minimum wage. It is nothing to do with what you claimed. Everyone who is not on minimum wage gets their salary dictated by market forces. That is why the unions cannot wave a magic wand and get everyone double the salary. The cost of minimum wages is higher unemployment. That is, it denies people the right to work and the right to decide for themselves.


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salary dictated by market forces.


Ho Ho Ho - you fell for that one.

Market forces are the greatest rort of all time. It is just like trickle down and the loch Ness Monster.
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Reply #28 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 6:29pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 12:52pm:
Unions deny people the right to choose. They deny people the right to think for themselves. And they charge them for the privilege.

John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 3:47pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 8:55am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 6:39am:
freediver wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 8:07pm:
What part of more money and more time did you not understand?



no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS


You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?


I'm sure you'll come up with something stupid


Travel expenses are a good example. Should a person be allowed to accept a job that pays just below minimum wages, if they have zero travel costs, when the alternative is a long, expensive commute for a minimum wage job?

Or what if the alternative is being on the dole because the unions have succeeded in denying them the right to work?

These are the sorts of real life problems that the unions don't care about when they get on their high horse and deny people the right to work.

Another is even simpler - should people be allowed to accept the job that they actually want to do, rather than only the jobs that some imbecile union thug thinks they should?

Gnads wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 7:44pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 7:36pm:
whiteknight wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 7:30pm:
There most certainly should be a minimum wage.  Thank heavens for the good unions of Australia.   Smiley 


Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?



Freediver the shonky slave labour hire arsehole.

Why should bosses be in Unions & workers not?

Answer the question.


That's a pretty stupid question Gnads.

Gnads wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 7:47pm:
All you're doing is advocating for someone to be a scab & to take less to get their job.


This is a tired old mantra that the unions get their mindless cheerleaders to chant.

I am advocating that people be allowed to think for themselves, rather than have the unions do it for them. Because the unions ultimately serve themselves.

Gnads wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 7:50pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 8:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 7:47pm:
whiteknight wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 7:46pm:
I would prefer the person where ever they work, was paid no less than the minimum wage.   Sad


Do you understand that if you deny people the right to work, they get paid nothing? You make them unemployed.

Now that you understand the consequences, would you like to have another go at answering? Would you deny someone the right to choose for themself to work for slightly less at a job they preferred to do, or the only one they are able to get?

What makes you think the what you would prefer ought to over-ride what they prefer? Do you consider them to be incapable of thinking for themselves? After all, you do not know and do not care about their specific circumstances, but they do. They might even get paid less because of your actions, once you consider all the other costs you impose on them by denying them the right to choose for themselves.


People have the right to work for whatever they want. If you want you can register as a small business and clean peoples houses for $2hr, the only thing you can't do is employ someone else to do the same. Anyone can work for a low income if they need to survive. For some its easier to lean on the government than putting in the effort to survive.



When you earn less than the dole what would be the point in that sort of stupidity?


Who said anything about working for less than the dole Gnads?

Gnads wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 7:53pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 8:55am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 6:39am:
freediver wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 8:07pm:
What part of more money and more time did you not understand?



no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS


You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?



So you want people to have 2 maybe 3 jobs to survive ... like they have to do in the US?


Again, not what I am saying Gnads.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 9:04pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 8:55am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 6:39am:
freediver wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 8:07pm:
What part of more money and more time did you not understand?



no one is stopping anyone from paying more. The ones crying are those that want to pay LESS


You cannot think of any ways in which minimum wages might stop people earning more?


Well they do stop people from earning less.

Lower minimum wages put downward pressure on all wages.


No they don't. More idiotic union mantras for the gullible.


No what's stupid is you denying the fact.
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Reply #29 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 6:57pm
 
Some people inherit the hate of unions from their parents. It feels like this topic is likely generated from a lifelong parental influence.
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