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Reply #15 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 1:33pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 12:48pm:
: “An Associated Press analysis of nearly 70 years of similar cases showed Trump’s case stands apart: It’s the only big business found that was threatened with a shutdown without a showing of obvious victims and major losses.”

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'As a team of legal analysts at the think tank Just Security note, New York courts have found “intent to defraud” in a wide range of false business records cases that did not involve financial damages to any individual,'
https://www.vox.com/politics/353111/trump-trial-verdict-criticisms-wrongly-convi...
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Reply #16 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 1:58pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 1:13pm:
Still nothing there about NOT making an unconditional dismissal. Try finding that not related to his Presidency. There's a good chap. Wink


Oh, I see. You're after the judge's additional words, are you?

I'm afraid you'll have to read the article for that, Lee. I'd advise you to click on the link to Judge Merchan's ruling, it's all there.

Feel free to have a squiz, mill it over a bit, consider his arguments, references and case law precedents, including his rebuttal of the defence's "Alabama Rule", all in Judge Merchan's clearly written ruling, where he rules out dismissal absolutely.

Never ever, he says, absolutely not. Justice must be served.. DL will be sentenced in court, just like any other convicted felon found guilty by a jury of his peers. It would be a cold day in hell before a convicted criminal was dismissed from sentencing in the state of New York!

I'm paraphrasing, of course, but do feel free to click on the link and read it for yourself. You're no Trump supporter, I know, but I'm sure the Washington Post hasn't made it all up.

FAKE NEWS !!!
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Reply #17 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 2:05pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 12:50pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 11:37am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 11:18am:
Panther wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 10:55am:
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Judge orders Trump sentencing in New York on Jan. 10


Source:      
Washington Post
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President-elect Donald Trump will be sentenced on 34 counts of falsifying business records ahead of his swearing-in as president on Jan. 20, a judge ruled Friday. New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan wrote that he plans to order an “unconditional discharge,” a designation in New York criminal courts for a non-jail and non-probation sentence that carries no other obligations.......


Just got this Washington Post Newsletter in my email this morning!

Great news to welcome me on my return from the USA.....GREAT NEWS!!!

Just 16 more days until the BIG DAY.......Monday, January 20, 2025.......can't come too soon!!!



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Strange. Here's what the Guardian has to say on the matter.

Quote:
Judge Juan Merchan, who presided over Trump’s trial in New York, denied the president-elect’s motion to dismiss the case due to his election victory in November. He said Trump is expected to appear for sentencing either in-person or virtually.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/03/trump-hush-money-trial-sentencing

But I'm curious. I believe your previous take on doing crime involved doing time. What does your much beloved Constitution have to say about sentencing criminals for felonies?

Does it stipulate anything about unconditional dismissals?


Cheers.


Nope, & being the sentencing on the charges rests with New York State, one would conclude the ability to 'unconditionally dismiss' is their prerogative as well. 

Happy New Year Wink


Sorry? Their prerogative?

You said Justice Juan Merchan wrote that he plans to order an unconditional dismissal. Justice Juan Merchan just wrote the exact opposite. 

Justice Juan Merchan just ordered your DL to attend court, sit there quietly as he goes through the facts of his crimes, reads out the victim impact statements, goes over the forensic psych report and offender profile, outlines the typical penalties for such crimes and previous sentences, then puts it all into context. He'll explain how your DL filed fraudulent business statements, lied during his depositions, engaged in witness intimidation, lied to the media about court officials, watched on as their lives were threatened by his supporters including bomb threats to his own home. He'll show how your DL got his lawyer to take the rap and let him do three years in jail for his very own crimes, then ordered his former lawyer to be illegally detained in isolation, ruled to be the worst case of government retaliation justice ever seen during the ruling judge's 21 year career.He'll show how your DL did all this to deceive and defraud American voters, of which you are one.

So no, Panther, your DL has received no unconditional dismissal and faces sentencing on Jan 10. But I'm curious. Given your professed love of truth and justice, why would you pretend otherwise?

I do hope you haven't joined the poor old boy in his game of shit and run. You're our board's resident constitutional scholar. If you'd get muddled up about something as important as this - the criminal sentencing of your future POTUS - where can we turn for our future Constitutional advice?


Now, now Karnal, please don't get yer TDS Panties all in a twist.

We all know you must be quite butthurt that your favorite tinted lil missy candidate lost the Presidential Election to President Donald John Trump.

Now, I will provide you with a genuine source where you can feast your eyes upon the facts......it's time for you to get informed.



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Reply #18 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 2:06pm
 
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Judge upholds Trump’s felony conviction, but does not plan to order jail time.


Sentencing is scheduled Jan. 10 for President-elect Donald Trump,
who was found guilty by a jury in May of falsifying business records.


Updated
January 3, 2025 at 9:47 p.m.


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Source:      
WASHINGTON POST
 
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NEW YORK — President-elect Donald Trump will be sentenced on 34 counts of falsifying business records ahead of his swearing-in Jan. 20, but is not expected to face jail time, a judge ruled Friday.

The decision to uphold Trump’s conviction and schedule the sentencing for Jan. 10 almost certainly means Trump will be the first felon to serve as a U.S. president.

New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan wrote in his ruling that he does not intend to sentence Trump to jail. He said he plans to order an “unconditional discharge,” a designation in New York criminal courts for a non-jail and non-probation sentence that carries no other obligations.

The sentencing hearing is scheduled a day after Trump is set to attend memorial services in Washington for former president Jimmy Carter, who died Dec. 29 at age 100.
Merchan said Trump has the option of attending the hearing at the courthouse in downtown Manhattan or participating via an online video link

.........continued


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Now Karnal, please consider yourself informed of the facts......
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Reply #19 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 2:13pm
 
Frank, meet Panther.
Panther, Frank.
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Reply #20 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 2:17pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 2:06pm:
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Judge upholds Trump’s felony conviction, ...




Indeed.

Trump will remain a convicted criminal for the rest of his life.

How proud Americans must be to have a felon as their President.

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Reply #21 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 2:20pm
 
chimera wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 1:27pm:
'Judge Juan Merchan, who presided over Trump’s trial in New York, denied the president-elect’s motion to dismiss the case due to his election victory in November.'

The words are Trump's claim, not the Judge's reasoning. The dismissal is denied, totally.


Ah yes, but that's the plan, you see?

DL sends his lawyers into court to shriek SO UNFAIR and demand an immediate dismissal.

When their arguments are thrown out, DL sets his propaganda wing into effect, posting on Truth Social, giving Fox News the talking points, retweeting the social media influencers who parrot the lines and, for old timers like Panther, sending emails out to the worshippers.

They then come to sites like this to spread the lies even more. Panther wishes us a happy new year, the old boy throws a tanty, Lee sifts through the words and letters trying to find an out, and if I'm not mistaken, Aquascoot will be here soon to say how awesome his DL is to be able to rewrite history and overturn truth itself - not so much a man as a God.

When they're done, we have a massive win in court with all charges fully dismissed. A "win/win".

I'm not sure what we're supposed to win out of all this, but it must be good. They all seem so pleased with it all.
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Reply #22 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 3:04pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 2:17pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 2:06pm:
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Judge upholds Trump’s felony conviction, ...




Indeed.

Trump will remain a convicted criminal for the rest of his life.

How proud Americans must be to have a felon as their President.



77 Million+ Proud American Voters......including myself......proudly voted for President Donald John Trump knowing full well he was, rightfully or wrongfully, already convicted in New York State of State Felonies well before we proudly voted for him as our President.


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Reply #23 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 3:25pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 2:06pm:
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Judge upholds Trump’s felony conviction, but does not plan to order jail time.


Sentencing is scheduled Jan. 10 for President-elect Donald Trump,
who was found guilty by a jury in May of falsifying business records.


Updated
January 3, 2025 at 9:47 p.m.


..

Source:      
WASHINGTON POST
 
     Quote:
..

NEW YORK — President-elect Donald Trump will be sentenced on 34 counts of falsifying business records ahead of his swearing-in Jan. 20, but is not expected to face jail time, a judge ruled Friday.

The decision to uphold Trump’s conviction and schedule the sentencing for Jan. 10 almost certainly means Trump will be the first felon to serve as a U.S. president.

New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan wrote in his ruling that he does not intend to sentence Trump to jail. He said he plans to order an “unconditional discharge,” a designation in New York criminal courts for a non-jail and non-probation sentence that carries no other obligations.

The sentencing hearing is scheduled a day after Trump is set to attend memorial services in Washington for former president Jimmy Carter, who died Dec. 29 at age 100.
Merchan said Trump has the option of attending the hearing at the courthouse in downtown Manhattan or participating via an online video link

.........continued


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Now Karnal, please consider yourself informed of the facts......


Thanks for the correction, Panther. So your DL's case has not been unconditionally dismissed at all. His conviction on 34 felonies stands. He now faces sentencing on Jan 10, where we'll all get to hear his crimes, their seriousness, and the sentence he would have received if he didn't get elected as your POTUS.

You're right. This is indeed a great day. President Elect Donald John Trump does not get to evade justice in the state of New York. He will be forced to attend court and stand silent as his sentence is heard, recorded  and remembered. His face will be filmed for the duration of sentencing. The fake news will record his perp walk to his black SUV afterwards.

If your DL chooses to disobey New York law and not attend, a warrant will be issued for his arrest on Jan 28, 2028.

This is the law, exactly what you have been cherishing on our board for as long as you have been a member. If I recall, your position has been as follows:

You believe in law, order, truth, justice and the American way. You would never support a politician with a whiff of corruption and criminality. That's for the leftards. You demand your leaders be moral, upright, examples of righteous intent, a model for the young. A suspected criminal? Never ever. Hell would have to freeze over first.

Then you changed your mind, as people do. Okay, you said, you might support someone being investigated, that's just allegations. But you would never support anyone with indictments before a court, or courts, of law. That was your red line. People can say all sorts of things, but indicted by the courts? Hell would have to have penguins swimming around and polar bears.

Next, you changed again, do you remember? Actually, you said, you might be inclined to support a politician with indictments, depending on the circumstances but never someone with a conviction, made by a jury of his/her peers. That would be unconscionable and beyond reproach. Not on your watch, you said, not in America. Hell would have to Eskimos living in igloos and fishing through the ice.

Now? You support a criminal convicted on 34 felonies, multiple civil rulings for bank, business, charity fraud, sexual assault, banned from doing business in New York and an additional three criminal indictments, one for preventing the peaceful transfer of power, facing the rest of his life in jail.

Thanks for informing us of the facts, Panther. Happy new year to you too.

Lucky you have Australia to come home to, no? I'd be leaving the joint too.
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Reply #24 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 3:34pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 1:32pm:
It appears that Panther is confusing the sentencing's “unconditional discharge” with the convictions being dismissed.

I'm sorry Panther, but the convictions remain - no charges are being dismissed.

Trump remains a convicted criminal, and will do for the rest of his life.



Yes....I agree with you Greggy.....but it seems Karnal is confused.....If you would glean back through this thread, it was Karnal that first brought up dismissals, & I responded in #17 accordingly.....to his reference to dismissals
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At least Trump's one-up on Putin with a blank record, never convicted. Great!
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Reply #26 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 4:13pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 3:25pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 2:06pm:
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Judge upholds Trump’s felony conviction, but does not plan to order jail time.


Sentencing is scheduled Jan. 10 for President-elect Donald Trump,
who was found guilty by a jury in May of falsifying business records.


Updated
January 3, 2025 at 9:47 p.m.


..

Source:      
WASHINGTON POST
 
     Quote:
..

NEW YORK — President-elect Donald Trump will be sentenced on 34 counts of falsifying business records ahead of his swearing-in Jan. 20, but is not expected to face jail time, a judge ruled Friday.

The decision to uphold Trump’s conviction and schedule the sentencing for Jan. 10 almost certainly means Trump will be the first felon to serve as a U.S. president.

New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan wrote in his ruling that he does not intend to sentence Trump to jail. He said he plans to order an “unconditional discharge,” a designation in New York criminal courts for a non-jail and non-probation sentence that carries no other obligations.

The sentencing hearing is scheduled a day after Trump is set to attend memorial services in Washington for former president Jimmy Carter, who died Dec. 29 at age 100.
Merchan said Trump has the option of attending the hearing at the courthouse in downtown Manhattan or participating via an online video link

.........continued


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Now Karnal, please consider yourself informed of the facts......


Thanks for the correction, Panther. So your DL's case has not been unconditionally dismissed at all. His conviction on 34 felonies stands. He now faces sentencing on Jan 10, where we'll all get to hear his crimes, their seriousness, and the sentence he would have received if he didn't get elected as your POTUS.

You're right. This is indeed a great day. President Elect Donald John Trump does not get to evade justice in the state of New York. He will be forced to attend court and stand silent as his sentence is heard, recorded  and remembered. His face will be filmed for the duration of sentencing. The fake news will record his perp walk to his black SUV afterwards.

If your DL chooses to disobey New York law and not attend, a warrant will be issued for his arrest on Jan 28, 2028.

This is the law, exactly what you have been cherishing on our board for as long as you have been a member. If I recall, your position has been as follows:

You believe in law, order, truth, justice and the American way. You would never support a politician with a whiff of corruption and criminality. That's for the leftards. You demand your leaders be moral, upright, examples of righteous intent, a model for the young. A suspected criminal? Never ever. Hell would have to freeze over first.

Then you changed your mind, as people do. Okay, you said, you might support someone being investigated, that's just allegations. But you would never support anyone with indictments before a court, or courts, of law. That was your red line. People can say all sorts of things, but indicted by the courts? Hell would have to have penguins swimming around and polar bears.

Next, you changed again, do you remember? Actually, you said, you might be inclined to support a politician with indictments, depending on the circumstances but never someone with a conviction, made by a jury of his/her peers. That would be unconscionable and beyond reproach. Not on your watch, you said, not in America. Hell would have to Eskimos living in igloos and fishing through the ice.

Now? You support a criminal convicted on 34 felonies, multiple civil rulings for bank, business, charity fraud, sexual assault, banned from doing business in New York and an additional three criminal indictments, one for preventing the peaceful transfer of power, facing the rest of his life in jail.

Thanks for informing us of the facts, Panther. Happy new year to you too.

Lucky you have Australia to come home to, no? I'd be leaving the joint too.



The judge gave President Trump the option.....Judge
Merchan said Trump has the option of attending the hearing at the courthouse in downtown Manhattan or participating via an online video link


You seemed to start off contrite, & rightfully so, but then it's obvious all hell broke loose within your make believe little world......all your cheese completely slid of yer cracker fella!!!!!
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Reply #27 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 4:31pm
 
'Judge Merchan said Trump has the option of attending the hearing at the courthouse in downtown Manhattan or participating via an online video link'.

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Reply #28 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 4:32pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 4:13pm:
So your DL's case has not been unconditionally dismissed at all.



So it was indeed you who brought up unconditional dismissal. And then you accuse panther of changing his mind. Unconditional discharge is indeed different.Maybe one day you will learn to tell the truth, not that I expect it.  Wink

You are such a tosser.

Karnal wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 1:58pm:
Oh, I see. You're after the judge's additional words, are you?

I'm afraid you'll have to read the article for that, Lee. I'd advise you to click on the link to Judge Merchan's ruling, it's all there.


And no it is not. The piece has been updated. Wink

I note AP uses the words "unconditional discharge".
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Reply #29 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 4:51pm
 
The White House.

Prison Governor,
New York Pen.

Dear Sir,
Due to me being the greatest President you ever saw and a genius, you will pardon all the fine patriots wearing a red cap. We'll do greater than you could think,
Your President
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Felon, convicted, no jail time.  Fake felony and I won a landslide.
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