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Reply #30 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:39am

Buddha was a Shakya from north India where Saka Scythians from south Russia ruled with Indo Greeks about 150 BCE to 400CE. Gr philosophy resembled Buddhist ideas and Gr astronomy was used by India, with Gr sculpture in Buddhist statues as in Indonesia.

Baniyas are Indian traders under the banyan trees, from Saka banhya 'tree', as in Russian banya wooden sauna with tree twigs for striking the skin. It is banyaga trader in Old Java, possibly bunya nut tree of Qld where tribes gathered under the family tree for festivals and meetings.

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Reply #31 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:40am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:33am:

"Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants and fruit and veg pickers."

.... ditch diggers, sewer sweepers, furnace cleaners in polluted old factories, sun heat testers on the pineapple fields, cane cutters, tunnel choppers, road gangs .... all the jobs many Boomers did to support their families and a decent country.... YOU?

That's true.

The Boomers did not work that hard to have their kids and grandkids forced to repeat their hardships.

On that, they succeeded.

Their late Gen-X/Millennial kids and grandkids completed high school and went on to complete tertiary education.

They freed their children from having to engage in menial jobs, except maybe as 'work experience' in their teens, to get a taste of what gramps had to do to survive.

So, who's left as an underclass to do the menial work?

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Reply #32 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:42am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:33am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:29am:

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:44am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6^th, 2025 at 8:49pm:

The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers…

Namaste!

And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun.

We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially.

Were you especially hopeful?

Your education is progressing..... good start to the year that piece of reality. Now explore your theme more deeply to derive the ultimate reality.

More like gross naivety...

As the British put it... 'Australia is a class-free society, divided into working class, middle class and upper class'.

Excellently said!! What I mean is that the idea presented - of underclasses not being 'official' - should be explored by the poster - to benefit hir education and greater, broader understanding of reality today. That and a month on the streets with the dole..... would help many such ...

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Re: Australia's Indofication
Reply #33 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:43am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:37am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:23am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:19am:

Only the British think that.

Indians are acutely aware of the massive impact Indic cultures have had on the world... Their catchcry is 'The world is Indian'.

You never watched "it ain't half hot mum"

A British-made comedy masking a self-serving fantasy about the British Raj.

Indic influence on the West has persisted for nearly 2500 years. The British Raj lasted about 90.

A great comedy which is sorely missed.

By the British... not by the 1.5+ billion-strong Indic peoples.

They have Bollywood....... Shocked

A trillion-dollar industry.

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Reply #34 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:44am

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:25am:

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:13am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6^th, 2025 at 10:23pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 6^th, 2025 at 10:14pm:

Grasshoppers - it is good to see you finally joining the Revolution...

Truly 2025 is going to be a Year Of Decision for the West.... either our culture divests itself of The Madness of pretending to assume that all are equal in morals and values etc - or it sinks never to rise again.

How many years ago did I tell you to lock the gates? How long ago did I predict that AlboCorp would bring about The Changing of The Tide here... it took one people speaking with one ...... voice ... to start the ball rolling... and now the cities of cards are falling one by one....., peoples of the West, long held powerless by their sublimely silly governments claiming to be the 'soft option' while actually jack-booting all over the people, have finally realised that they have the power - not the Establishment elites.

It is irrelevant who is in government... immigration will continue.

Affluent societies have, without exception, required an underclass to do the work affluent locals and their children will not do.

25 million of us number among the most affluent people in human history, and we cannot maintain an affluent lifestyle without a migrant underclass.

Australia has never not had a migrant underclass... why would 2020s Australia be any different an era to all others since 1788?

All true - up to a point, Lord Copper.

There are societies even today, that have managed well without imporing slaves, helots, an underclass. Japan, Switzerland, Scandinavia.
But yes, many Western countries are importing an alien underclass that will eventually outbreed the hosts.

But there are examples that show it is not a necessity. And that is why the path to indofication or Chinafication or whatever is not an inevitability but a chosen societal suicide.

Sheer hysterics.

They're just people. "outbreed"? What the hell i wrong with you?

In any event, may isuggest you stop relentlessly whinging? Just accept your reality. Nobody is unringing any bells.

Or, of course, if you don't like it here, go back to where you came from.

They are "just people" is true only up to a point. Culture matters. Cultural compatibility and ability and willingness to assimilate matter.

Aborigines are not "just people", we wouldn't have endless special considerations for them if they were "just people".

Nor are Indians and Africans and Chinese in Australia, Europe,America. Not even Danes outside Australia - which is why you say with such glee that I can go back.

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Reply #35 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:49am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:43am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:37am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:23am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:19am:

Only the British think that.

Indians are acutely aware of the massive impact Indic cultures have had on the world... Their catchcry is 'The world is Indian'.

You never watched "it ain't half hot mum"

A British-made comedy masking a self-serving fantasy about the British Raj.

Indic influence on the West has persisted for nearly 2500 years. The British Raj lasted about 90.

A great comedy which is sorely missed.

By the British... not by the 1.5+ billion-strong Indic peoples.

They have Bollywood....... Shocked

A trillion-dollar industry.

Surely they have comedies.... some poking fun at the Raj and at snobs etc... it can't all be 'Rani meets girl Shusa, caste is different, families play Romeo and Juliet feuding - boy and girl make happy marriage for life... (glurg)' or 'funny man with no idea make great hotel out of dump, invite British in to fix all for him!!' or 'unfortunate visit by Muslim across water result in many death in fabled hotel' .......... there must be some pokes at the Old Raj, Old Boy!!

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Re: Australia's Indofication
Reply #36 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:50am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:42am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:33am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:29am:

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:44am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6^th, 2025 at 8:49pm:

The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers…

Namaste!

And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun.

We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially.

Were you especially hopeful?

Your education is progressing..... good start to the year that piece of reality. Now explore your theme more deeply to derive the ultimate reality.

More like gross naivety...

As the British put it... 'Australia is a class-free society, divided into working class, middle class and upper class'.

Excellently said!! What I mean is that the idea presented - of underclasses not being 'official' - should be explored by the poster - to benefit hir education and greater, broader understanding of reality today. That and a month on the streets with the dole..... would help many such ...

Yes. All societies are hierarchically structured - all of them have underclasses...It's part of the human instinct.

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Reply #37 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:52am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:49am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:43am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:37am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:23am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:19am:

Only the British think that.

Indians are acutely aware of the massive impact Indic cultures have had on the world... Their catchcry is 'The world is Indian'.

You never watched "it ain't half hot mum"

A British-made comedy masking a self-serving fantasy about the British Raj.

Indic influence on the West has persisted for nearly 2500 years. The British Raj lasted about 90.

A great comedy which is sorely missed.

By the British... not by the 1.5+ billion-strong Indic peoples.

They have Bollywood....... Shocked

A trillion-dollar industry.

Surely they have comedies.... some poking fun at the Raj and at snobs etc...

Ahh yeah...

Comedy is a human instinct.
Indic peoples are human.
so...

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Reply #39 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 10:07am

British democracy was undemocratic until last century. At a time when barons ruled the serfs and villeins in Norman England, there was democracy for all males in Ngarrindjeri country on the Murray river. They elected tendi as in Javanese tanda 'official' from the word-root of 'tenant', as in Celtic tanist elected chief.

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Reply #40 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 10:58am

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:44am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6^th, 2025 at 8:49pm:

The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers…

Namaste!

And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun.

We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially.

Were you especially hopeful?

Half - 51% - of international student graduates with a bachelor’s degree still in Australia after three years are working in low-skilled Level 4 or Level 5 jobs:

These findings are corroborated by the most recent Graduate Outcomes Survey (GOS), which shows that international graduates have far lower employment rates, participation rates, and median earnings than domestic graduates:

Worryingly, each of Australia’s three major source countries for overseas students – China, India, and Nepal – has dismal labour market outcomes in terms of full-time employment:

It is no surprise that Australia is suffering widespread skills shortages if this is what the tertiary education industry is producing in record numbers.

Australia’s international education Ponzi scheme has literally helped create a massive underclass of low-paid, low-skilled migrant workers.

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Reply #41 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 10:59am

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:44am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6^th, 2025 at 8:49pm:

The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers…

Namaste!

And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun.

We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially.

Were you especially hopeful?

Well some news for you Mothbint -

Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lnkans & Nepalese do.

And their record for the treatment of women is also appalling.

It take it you didn't watch & listen to video clip of Indian ex-pat Jayant Bhandari?

Educate yourself on exactly what Indians are like straight from the horses mouth.

These are the types of people you & your ilk want to flood our country with. Roll Eyes

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Reply #42 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 11:00am

It is likely to continue because the Albanese government signed two migration accords with India this year(2023), which include provisions such as:

Indians will be granted five-year student visas with no limit on the number who can study in Australia.

Indian graduates of Australian higher institutions on a student visa can apply to work for up to eight years without visa sponsorship.

Australia will recognise Indian vocational and university graduates as “holding the comparable AQF qualification” for entrance to higher education and general employment.

These migration agreements will make Australia an even more appealing destination for lower-skilled Indians seeking work and residency in Australia.

Instead of lowering standards to entice large volumes of sub-par students to Australia, policymakers should instead focus on attracting a small pool of excellent (genuine) students by significantly raising financial barriers to entry as well as entrance requirements (particularly for English language proficiency), and removing the clear link between studying, working, and permanent residency.
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2023/12/international-students-left-unemployed-...

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Reply #43 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 11:04am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:05am:

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:44am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:41am:

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:44am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6^th, 2025 at 8:49pm:

The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers…

Namaste!

And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun.

We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially.

Were you especially hopeful?

The point has eluded you.

Yes, Australia invites Indic peoples who are doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals &etc...

But they are also the privileged and affluent of the Indic society into which they were born - unlikely to take on menial work like: Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants and fruit and veg pickers.

They are also unlikely to enter Australia as a faux student seeking a path to PR and citizenship, given that PR would be part of their agreement to settle here in the first place.

If you speak to affluent Indic people, you'll find that they too have never held down a menial job in their home country in their life - they have local-born servants and lower castes for that - locally produced and culturally imposed underclasses.

Incorrect. Most of them are trained here. Most fields do not accept accreditation from the countries youe are referring to.

Nearly all of them have come from privileged backgrounds, from high-status castes. Most are applying for places in Australia as a third choice after the US and Canada.

None are destined to take on menial work.

As for accreditation, Australia and India are working on that... the recently signed Mechanism for Mutual Recognition of Qualifications is designed to fasttrack or override current legislative roadblocks to accreditation.

That will be on our Politicians heads.

If there's one thing that Indians excel at it's lying, deceit, bribery & corruption through connection.

Getting false passports and qualifications is a breeze.

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Reply #44 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 11:44am

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 10:58am:

Australia’s international education Ponzi scheme has literally helped create a massive underclass of low-paid, low-skilled migrant workers.[/highlight]

As if that isn't the point of student visa scams, to which both sides of politics turn a blind eye.

Affluent societies are run by affluent peoples who require access to low-paid, low-skilled workers to continue to live lifestyles that otherwise would be beyond their means and capacity to maintain.

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