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Re: Australia's Indofication
Reply #60 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:16pm

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:27pm:

With a culturally distant, unassimilating underclass with a significantly higher birth rate than the host population this means cultural and demographic transformation.

In the modern geographically hyper-mobile world, large migration waves are not only probable but inevitable. The last 80 years have proved that.

Only into countries whose political class wants demographic and cultural transformation.
Many countries do not and so have no large or even small scale migration.

Into countries where it's a matter of 'populate or perish', or at least, 'populate or diminish in affluence'... where the local birthrate is dropping towards less than 1.5 and a willing working underclass cannot be maintained within the local population.

We have to remember that it's not Indic governments that are demanding large-scale migration into Australia or anywhere else... We are inviting them. They are not inviting themselves.

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Reply #61 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:37pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:57pm:

While Indic peoples transformed Southeast Asia, they did it via the local adoption of Indic religions, philosophy and trade, not by the sword.

The Indo Europeans with tribal traditions adopted Indic culture, eventually, and a reduced militancy. The result was the empires of Java and Cambodia (Borobudur and Angkor Wat). If ethnic mixing brings vibrant populations, then ocker bogans could benefit.

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Reply #62 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:03pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 5:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 4:32pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 4:04pm:

We've had millions of student visa holders obtaining Australian university and vocational qualifications over the last few decades - and we continue to have serious skilled workforce shortages.

But we have achieved the bilateral political goal of establishing a willing underclass and its, effectively, endless means of replenishment as the formerly underclass ascends after 5-8 years.

Reminiscent of the deal offered to convicts in the late 18th and 19th centuries: freedom to remain in the colonies after 7 years, or a ticket of leave earlier for good behaviour or via a pardon.

Aye - but at what cost? Hint - the development of an unwilling underclass and at the expense of massive REAL inflation.

You're confusing a working underclass with a dysfunctional underclass.

It's rare these days for Australian politicians to refer to the 'working class'... they usually refer to Australians as middle class.

They may occasionally use euphemisms for the working class, such as 'battlers' or those on 'struggle street' but recently even those euphemisms are increasingly used to refer to people dealing with psychiatric disorders or drug addiction/alcoholism.

Ah - so it's a matter of SPIN and not of reality. What are those 'dysfunctional underclass' people to do for a job and a roof these days? So according to the narrative we're all middle class now and nobody works for a living, not in any hard yakka way, and so there is a need for mass immigrants to fill the holes at servos and such? You don't see many of them out there with a spade.... they are like sheilas - they only want the soft jobs that pay the best without any hard effort.

So - where does that leave us for an 'underclass'? For an 'underclass' they're doing a damned good job of taking advantage of all the business loop-holes etc, while the real underclass lives on the beach - has far more leisure time than ever in history, you know.

Now wonder they drink and drug and have head problems.

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Reply #63 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:28pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:03pm:

Ah - so it's a matter of SPIN and not of reality. What are those 'dysfunctional underclass' people to do for a job and a roof these days? So according to the narrative we're all middle class now and nobody works for a living, not in any hard yakka way, and so there is a need for mass immigrants to fill the holes at servos and such? You don't see many of them out there with a spade.... they are like sheilas - they only want the soft jobs that pay the best without any hard effort.

So - where does that leave us for an 'underclass'? For an 'underclass' they're doing a damned good job of taking advantage of all the business loop-holes etc, while the real underclass lives on the beach - has far more leisure time than ever in history, you know.

Now wonder they drink and drug and have head problems.

Dysfunctional underclasses don't work, they're incapacitated. In Australia, they receive taxpayer-funded medications, therapy and a sickness allowance (euphemistically rebranded recently as part of jobseeker payments).

It's not like seeking migrants as a source of a willing underclass is anything new in Australia, think the Snowy Mountains Scheme.

Yes, that's right we all have pretensions to be no lower than the middle class, and we're all 'above average' in status. Politicians are only responding to what they know we imagine of ourselves.

Indic migrants, themselves, are not taking advantage of anything in Australia... they're following instructions laid out to them by their local migration intermediaries.

And to just get a chance at having a child in Australia, who can earn money in Australian terms that can support their entire extended family, costs a fortune for the average Indic parents who, even if they are financially comfortable in local terms, aren't even close to that in Australian terms. They often have to take out loans to give just one child a chance at earning life-changing money as a low-skilled worker.

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Reply #64 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:54pm

I’m calling it!

Best thread this year!

“It's not like seeking migrants as a source of a willing underclass is anything new in Australia, think the Snowy Mountains Scheme.”

That’s such a true statement and shows how times have changed!
The difference between than and now is that they to making coffees and beds and doing food delivery .

We have ( several) generation Australians in some form of government payments living happily at home still with parents and often grandparents for no other reason that they are too good to deliver food or wait on a table.
They are much better than that.

Just a random contribution to the discussion.

How is the caste system in India?

How great was the cricket 😎

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Reply #65 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 10:16pm

“ People also ask
What is blackbirding in the Solomon Islands?
What is the white Australia policy blackbirding?
This and related practices of bringing in non-white labour to be cheaply employed was commonly termed "blackbirding" and refers to the recruitment of people, often through trickery and kidnappings, to work on plantations, particularly the sugar cane plantations of Queensland (Australia) and Fiji.
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White Australia policy - Wikipedia”

The sad thing is it’s still ( in my mind) happening today.

Now they are courted to come here and work but the cost of boarding on the farmers land is so expensive it’s not worth it it!

This poo is still going on today in new forms of underpayment and abuse.

So it will be in another 100 years time because without slave labourers no middle class Australian could afford to eat?

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Reply #66 - Jan 7^th, 2025 at 11:14pm

Daves2017 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:54pm:

The difference between than and now is that they to making coffees and beds and doing food delivery .

How is the caste system in India?

How great was the cricket 😎

Yes, Indic peoples are catering to our pretensions towards the expectations of what we would once have called the 'upper class'.

They are, however, also contributing to the maintenance and staffing of essential services, like healthcare workers at all levels.

And, if you don't think Uber driving is that important, think back to the high taxi rates and long waits for taxi services... now a thing of the past in most major cities.

And, yes, the Indian caste system makes Indic peoples uniquely suited to the role of a willing underclass - at least in terms of an acknowledged sense of caste privilege... Australians would be considerably morally more just than the base arrogance of high-caste Indians who consider a low-caste fellow countryman even touching them to be a literal contamination - a defilement of body and soul.

And yes, again... 'They don't like cricket... They love it!'

They also don't get drunk, don't form street gangs, don't take drugs or panhandle at the lights to support a meth habit.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84927 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Australia's Indofication Reply #67 - Jan 8^th, 2025 at 9:47am Well - if they are an underclass - why are they not treated as such. Guest workers will fill the empty spaces equally well without all the hassles. I Bring You The Guest Worker Plan ......
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