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Re: Cannibalism
Reply #105 - Today at 8:02am
 
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All of this cannibalism stuff was dealt with when the odious Hanson creature made her ridiculous claims in what she called a book.

Bet Gonads bought it and it sits proudly on his bookshelf ... if he has one.

The only verifiable incidences of cannabalism in First Nations peoples were as a part of a funeral rite where close kin partook respectfully of small parts of the deceased through the course of a complicated funeral ritual ... or in the case of maybe one group of people who ate parts of warriors they had defeated. According to academics, this practice was met with revulsion by other First Nations people when they were told o it.

But i've said all this before. ... backed it up ... provided the links ... offered pathways to further research .... alll before.

Got me nowhere.

You're all precisely where i left you.



Rituals are deeply rooted in beliefs and culture, not made up on the spot.

What is the spiritual, cultural root of eating the dead?

How and when DID that spiritual belief and cultural practice stop?, if it has stopped. Who can say it has stopped?

Why did this one stop but not the vicious mistreatment of women, other beliefs and superstitions about magic, witchcraft, curses, payback, etc?




What has you research taught you about why some First Nations people ate specific parts of their dead close kin, Frank?


Confession of cannibalism right there.  Thank you - mothra - for your honest answer.

Not one person has ever denied it. Not one.

What has been denied is Boris' fanciful and hateful accusations based on academically refuted sources as to the circumstances of cannibalism. In fact, you don't need to dig very deep to see how offesive his comments are.

but you won't dig.

But i've said all of this to you before. This time, like the the last half dozen, will be forgotten by you next time you want a cheap thrill and Boris is feeling irrelevant again.
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Reply #106 - Today at 8:02am
 
mothra wrote Today at 7:18am:
Frank wrote Today at 7:12am:
mothra wrote Today at 7:06am:
All of this cannibalism stuff was dealt with when the odious Hanson creature made her ridiculous claims in what she called a book.

Bet Gonads bought it and it sits proudly on his bookshelf ... if he has one.

The only verifiable incidences of cannabalism in First Nations peoples were as a part of a funeral rite where close kin partook respectfully of small parts of the deceased through the course of a complicated funeral ritual ... or in the case of maybe one group of people who ate parts of warriors they had defeated. According to academics, this practice was met with revulsion by other First Nations people when they were told o it.

But i've said all this before. ... backed it up ... provided the links ... offered pathways to further research .... alll before.

Got me nowhere.

You're all precisely where i left you.



Rituals are deeply rooted in beliefs and culture, not made up on the spot.

What is the spiritual, cultural root of eating the dead?

How and when DID that spiritual belief and cultural practice stop?, if it has stopped. Who can say it has stopped?

Why did this one stop but not the vicious mistreatment of women, other beliefs and superstitions about magic, witchcraft, curses, payback, etc?




What has you research taught you about why some First Nations people ate specific parts of their dead close kin, Frank?



Very hard to ascertain with small bands isolated primitive people who have no writing or other rec oird of their lives and bel iuefs and customs. All you can rely on is what you see yourself and document - hard with secret business which, by definition,  excludes outsiders. Or you document what they tell you - but as Margaret Mead and others found, they are not always truthful. So you piece together what you have and judge to be reliable and compare notes with others.

Which is how we know that
Aboriginal cannibalism occured
It occured for cultural and spiritual reasons, that is, approved by some sort of cultural conception (not a broken taboo driven by desperate hunger).



So my questions:
What beliefs and customs
When were these beliefs abandoned and why if they have been abandoned
If some age old spiritual and cultural customs can be so abandoned, why not other, equally repellent or absurd ones aren't abandoned.



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Reply #107 - Today at 8:11am
 
Frank wrote Today at 8:02am:
mothra wrote Today at 7:18am:
Frank wrote Today at 7:12am:
mothra wrote Today at 7:06am:
All of this cannibalism stuff was dealt with when the odious Hanson creature made her ridiculous claims in what she called a book.

Bet Gonads bought it and it sits proudly on his bookshelf ... if he has one.

The only verifiable incidences of cannabalism in First Nations peoples were as a part of a funeral rite where close kin partook respectfully of small parts of the deceased through the course of a complicated funeral ritual ... or in the case of maybe one group of people who ate parts of warriors they had defeated. According to academics, this practice was met with revulsion by other First Nations people when they were told o it.

But i've said all this before. ... backed it up ... provided the links ... offered pathways to further research .... alll before.

Got me nowhere.

You're all precisely where i left you.



Rituals are deeply rooted in beliefs and culture, not made up on the spot.

What is the spiritual, cultural root of eating the dead?

How and when DID that spiritual belief and cultural practice stop?, if it has stopped. Who can say it has stopped?

Why did this one stop but not the vicious mistreatment of women, other beliefs and superstitions about magic, witchcraft, curses, payback, etc?




What has you research taught you about why some First Nations people ate specific parts of their dead close kin, Frank?



Very hard to ascertain with small bands isolated primitive people who have no writing or other rec oird of their lives and bel iuefs and customs. All you can rely on is what you see yourself and document - hard with secret business which, by definition,  excludes outsiders. Or you document what they tell you - but as Margaret Mead and others found, they are not always truthful. So you piece together what you have and judge to be reliable and compare notes with others.

Which is how we know that
Aboriginal cannibalism occured
It occured for cultural and spiritual reasons, that is, approved by some sort of cultural conception (not a broken taboo driven by desperate hunger).



So my questions:
What beliefs and customs
When were these beliefs abandoned and why if they have been abandoned
If some age old spiritual and cultural customs can be so abandoned, why not other, equally repellent or absurd ones aren't abandoned.






Oh joy. An uncited blurb produced from an 11th hour google.

Would you like to reconvene, fruitbat?
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Re: Cannibalism
Reply #108 - Today at 8:30am
 
mothra wrote Today at 8:11am:
Frank wrote Today at 8:02am:
mothra wrote Today at 7:18am:
Frank wrote Today at 7:12am:
mothra wrote Today at 7:06am:
All of this cannibalism stuff was dealt with when the odious Hanson creature made her ridiculous claims in what she called a book.

Bet Gonads bought it and it sits proudly on his bookshelf ... if he has one.

The only verifiable incidences of cannabalism in First Nations peoples were as a part of a funeral rite where close kin partook respectfully of small parts of the deceased through the course of a complicated funeral ritual ... or in the case of maybe one group of people who ate parts of warriors they had defeated. According to academics, this practice was met with revulsion by other First Nations people when they were told o it.

But i've said all this before. ... backed it up ... provided the links ... offered pathways to further research .... alll before.

Got me nowhere.

You're all precisely where i left you.



Rituals are deeply rooted in beliefs and culture, not made up on the spot.

What is the spiritual, cultural root of eating the dead?

How and when DID that spiritual belief and cultural practice stop?, if it has stopped. Who can say it has stopped?

Why did this one stop but not the vicious mistreatment of women, other beliefs and superstitions about magic, witchcraft, curses, payback, etc?




What has you research taught you about why some First Nations people ate specific parts of their dead close kin, Frank?



Very hard to ascertain with small bands isolated primitive people who have no writing or other rec oird of their lives and bel iuefs and customs. All you can rely on is what you see yourself and document - hard with secret business which, by definition,  excludes outsiders. Or you document what they tell you - but as Margaret Mead and others found, they are not always truthful. So you piece together what you have and judge to be reliable and compare notes with others.

Which is how we know that
Aboriginal cannibalism occured
It occured for cultural and spiritual reasons, that is, approved by some sort of cultural conception (not a broken taboo driven by desperate hunger).



So my questions:
What beliefs and customs
When were these beliefs abandoned and why if they have been abandoned
If some age old spiritual and cultural customs can be so abandoned, why not other, equally repellent or absurd ones aren't abandoned.






Oh joy. An uncited blurb produced from an 11th hour google.

Would you like to reconvene, fruitbat?

No uncited blurb, no Google.

Turn your mind - if that's the word in your case - to the points I made.
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Reply #109 - Today at 8:35am
 
... and so the self-declaration of failure begins - the personal sledge ....   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

Well - if they definitely did eat people - who's to say they don't now?  So Hanson was right... and a full inquiry - like the women killing at home stakes - would be revealing, no?

As a society - a culture over-riding the 'Aboriginal culture' - holding it within the bounds of civilisation - we need to be considering - with a real Commission - where all those disappearing people are going never to be found....  Far Eastern Sex Slave Trade or similar?  Sold like girl children in Afghanistan by poor parents?  Mobile spare parts factories for surgeons?
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Reply #110 - Today at 8:41am
 
It's really hard to explain this level of stupid.
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Reply #111 - Today at 8:52am
 
mothra wrote Today at 7:06am:
All of this cannibalism stuff was dealt with when the odious Hanson creature made her ridiculous claims in what she called a book.

Bet Gonads bought it and it sits proudly on his bookshelf ... if he has one.

The only verifiable incidences of cannabalism in First Nations peoples were as a part of a funeral rite where close kin partook respectfully of small parts of the deceased through the course of a complicated funeral ritual ... or in the case of maybe one group of people who ate parts of warriors they had defeated. According to academics, this practice was met with revulsion by other First Nations people when they were told o it.

But i've said all this before. ... backed it up ... provided the links ... offered pathways to further research .... alll before.

Got me nowhere.

You're all precisely where i left you.


All of this cannibalism stuff was dealt with when the odious Hanson creature made her ridiculous claims in what she called a book.

1 it is History recorded many times by many people in many places - it is not mere stuff.
2 "the odious Hanson creature" is dehumanisation and devaluing a human being which shows you are mentally ill.
3 "ridiculous claim" it is not a claim and not ridiculous but factual telling of History.
4 "what she called a book" is actually a book.

So you are seriously mentally ill and you clearly show this with your words. Narcissism - you dehumanise and devalue people and gaslight.

Has there ever been Cannibalism with Australian Aborigines? YES!
Any recent cases? YES!
Does it still occur now? Possibly!

But arguing with a Narcissist is pointless.

The only verifiable incidences of cannabalism in First Nations peoples were as a part of a funeral rite where close kin partook respectfully of small parts of the deceased through the course of a complicated funeral ritual ... or in the case of maybe one group of people who ate parts of warriors they had defeated. According to academics, this practice was met with revulsion by other First Nations people when they were told o it.


No not at all - you are 100% wrong - It was also recorded for food - even recently - dead children went into the pot.

Historical account:

"Only children of tender age—up to about two years old—are considered fit subjects for food, and if they fall ill are often strangled by the old men, cooked, and eaten, and all parts except the head, which is skinned and buried, are considered a delicacy. Parents eat their own children, and all, young and old, partake of it."

Here the children were murdered first once they fell ill they were strangled.

and more recent accounts:

the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, said once that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’.

It was recorded by both Brandts.

William D. Rubinstein

Sep 25 2021



“Cannibalism is practised by all natives on the north coast with whom I have come in contact, with the exception of a very small tribe inhabiting the immediate neighbourhood of Port Essington … The eating of grown-up people—that is, of natives—is, as far as I can ascertain, not practised. Only children of tender age—up to about two years old—are considered fit subjects for food, and if they fall ill are often strangled by the old men, cooked, and eaten, and all parts except the head, which is skinned and buried, are considered a delicacy. Parents eat their own children, and all, young and old, partake of it. The only instance I have heard where grown-up people have been eaten, was that of two Europeans who were out exploring in the neighbourhood of the Tor Rock, about forty miles inland from Mount Norris Bay; this was in 1874. These unfortunate travellers were, according to the statements of the friendly natives, killed by the ‘Tor Rock’ tribe, cooked and eaten; and…

In the late 1920s, the anthropologist Géza Róheim heard from Aboriginals that infanticidal cannibalism had been practised especially during droughts. "Years ago it had been custom for every second child to be eaten" – the baby was roasted and consumed not only by the mother, but also by the older siblings, who benefited from this meat during times of food scarcity. One woman told him that her little sister had been roasted, but denied having eaten of her. Another "admitted having killed and eaten her small daughter", and several other people he talked to remembered having "eaten one of their brothers".[13] The consumption of infants took two different forms, depending on where it was practised:

When the Yumu, Pindupi, Ngali, or Nambutji were hungry, they ate small children with neither ceremonial nor animistic motives. Among the southern tribes, the Matuntara, Mularatara, or Pitjentara, every second child was eaten in the belief that the strength of the first child would be doubled by such a procedure.[14]

Usually only babies who had not yet received a name (which happened around the first birthday) were consumed, but in times of severe hunger, older children (up to four years or so) could be killed and eaten too, though people tended to have bad feelings about this. Babies were killed by their mother, while a bigger child "would be killed by the father by being beaten on the head".[15] But cases of women killing older children are on record too.
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Reply #112 - Today at 8:58am
 
mothra wrote Today at 8:41am:
It's really hard to explain this level of stupid.


We know - but you could at least try to explain your problems with reason and knowledge.  Sadly - your kind of stupidity is not alleviated by prescribing large doses of fact and corroboration.

We are a very understanding group, really - once you accept your own shortcomings....  The Twelve Steps, you know...


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Reply #113 - Today at 9:01am
 
Well - the only viable alternative to bringing them all into the fold of Civilisation and functioning in One Society under One Law etc - is to give them a Two State Solution - where they can just go at it to their heart's content until last one standing..

It's 2025 - they are either part of this nation or they are not - and if they are - they must abide by the laws of the land, same as anyone else.  If they all do that - we might get a start on resolving all their problems of killing the missus and disappearing kids etc.... a Trail Of Tears is better than their current Trail of Beers... the one where they grab low or no alcohol beer and lace it with hand sanitiser......  now that's desperate.... and then clout the old girl with a rock for 'not listening' in the vernacular of Thomas Mayo ...
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Reply #114 - Today at 1:17pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote Yesterday at 10:24pm:
But the proof is there that it was in operation - and you and others fearlessly defend that by asserting without evidence that it was not so.... the same standard now applies to you to prove that it does not persist to this day.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, my message appears to have fallen on deaf ears, perhaps deliberately on your part Grappler.  Let me phrase it more simply.  How do we prove a negative?  "Boris" and yourself have failed to prove it as a positive. With no evidence either way, Occam's Razor suggests that it is unlikely to be occurring.  Therefore the negative is right and your attempt at a positive is wrong.  Now grow up and act your age for a change and stop the bullshit.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #115 - Today at 1:24pm
 
"Pluto is made of Ice!" "Boris's" headline read.  "I know because I used it to cool my drinks!  It tasted of water." "Boris" announced on his return from Pluto.  He also announced that Indigenous Australians were cannibals based on his observations from Pluto.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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