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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #135 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 2:55pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 2:42pm:
lee wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 12:53pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 7:21pm:
Crazy Convict Trump - wants Greenland - and will use force if needed,  That's insane.


Really. Which of your favourite sites said that?

"Trump determined to take control of Greenland, though not by force – Reuters"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-determined-control-greenland-though-085446934.h...


From your link:

"A person familiar with internal discussions with Trump told Reuters that the former property developer is unlikely to resort to military force in acquiring control of Greenland."

Someone, who knows somebody who talks to Trump, told somebody else that it's unlikely   Roll Eyes

Meanwhile, here's Trump himself saying "No, I can't assure you on either of those two."

From the 3 minute mark:




Thanks for this, Greggery. So the US military is now on notice and will be making plans as we speak.

Hail to the Chief, no?
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Reply #136 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 3:14pm
 
Good video:




Trump has gotta have it.
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Reply #137 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 3:25pm
 
It's been a US agenda to take Greenland and Panama long before Trump entered politics. He's just doing his job under advice from the Military.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #138 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 3:28pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 3:25pm:
It's been a US agenda to take Greenland and Panama long before Trump entered politics. He's just doing his job under advice from the Military.



Trump is not a pansy - he knows what to do.
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Reply #139 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 3:30pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 3:25pm:
It's been a US agenda to take Greenland and Panama long before Trump entered politics. He's just doing his job under advice from the Military.


Nobody is accusing the rapist of having an original thought.

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Reply #140 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 3:39pm
 

Greenland has lots of: oil, gas and rare earth minerals essential for the United States.

Trump can't let Putin get them.

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Reply #141 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 5:03pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 3:39pm:
Greenland has lots of: oil, gas and rare earth minerals essential for the United States.

Trump can't let Putin get them.


Greenland is owned by Denmark, Bobby.  Does Trump want to dissolve NATO?  Does Putin want to go to war with NATO?  Gee, so many hard questions.  You going to answer them or you going to duck and hide the way you usually do.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #142 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 5:11pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 3:30pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 3:25pm:
It's been a US agenda to take Greenland and Panama long before Trump entered politics. He's just doing his job under advice from the Military.


Nobody is accusing the rapist of having an original thought.



Apparently some previous POTUS have tried to acquire Greenland. No doubt their approach was less public and less offensive than the orange fatty’s. Unlike Alaska—there is a willing buyer but no seller.
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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #143 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 5:21pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 3:25pm:
It's been a US agenda to take Greenland and Panama long before Trump entered politics. He's just doing his job under advice from the Military.


No, dear, he's taking advice from the last person he talked to. He'll forget it immediately and move on.

DL never listened to military advice anyway. He's called for his last military chief to be executed for treason, remember?

The one thing cult worshippers ignore is the threat to their own self interest. For all of the Trump/Elon focus on Greenland, the Pacific is being left to Chi-na.

Australia has been left to police the South Pacific all on its own. South East Asian countries are doing deals with China, selling off their real estate and watching the Middle Kingdom quietly expand in influence.  Countries like Laos and Cambodia have become little more than Chinese vassal states.

It won't be long until China makes a serious move on Taiwan - a big deal for a country with a population of 23 mil and 20% of the world's microchip industry.

Forget Panama, China is gaining control over the shipping lanes of the South China Sea. The Panama Canal will always be subject to US influence, the US government doesn't need to own it. The Pacific is another matter entirely: the more the US gets entangled in other areas, the less security we have in Australia.

This has been made clear in the case of Ukraine, which was granted a US/NATO security assurance in 1993, in return for handing its nukes over to Russia. That agreement meant something to Sleepy Joe and Congress, who agreed to chip in for Ukraine's defence after the Russian invasion in 2022.

It means nothing to your DL, erected prez in 2024. He's already signalling Taiwan can go get fucked. I'd suggest the ANZUS treaty means very little to him too.

Australia's interests rely on the post-war order your DL wants to end. He sees global relations as a set of competing military/economic power grabs. We rely on the goodwill and shared interests of integrated economies. Our entire business model relies on it, as has the US for the past 70 years.

We rely on free trade. Trump's election saw our dollar drop significantly, and we're now staring down recession if Chinese development - and exports - don't pick up.

The threat of trade wars and rising tariffs rings alarm bells on the ASX and the RBA. Your DL's agenda is poison to Australian prosperity.

Australia's very existence relies on free trade and travel. Australia's an island. We're an outward-looking nation of immigrants that relies upon foreign trade. We've done so since 1788. We became more so after the reforms of the Hawke/Keating era. We've relied on these things since the British Empire, through to the rise of East Asia. We export primary products - wool, iron ore - and we import manufactured products - clothes, cars, building materials. We even import most of our oil. We keep less than three weeks in refined oil reserves.

We need those Pacific shipping lanes open, safe and secure, just like every other Pacific nation.

So for all your devotion to foreign white nationalism, remember your place. We're Aussies. Your DL is not out for your interests. His brand of competitive global rivalry and insular protectionism is antithetical to your own interests and survival.

In any other time in our history, such subservience to foreign autocrats would render you a traitor. Nazis were rounded up in WWII and communists were kept under watch until the 1990s. Even "papists" were once on the nose.

DL's infiltration of a mainstream party in the US doesn't make him much less dangerous than any other far-right extremist, KKK or Aryan Nation leader. We saw his embrace of the Proud Boys, banned as a terrorist organization in New Zealand, and we saw him direct them to the Capitol on Jan 6. There, the peaceful transfer of power was blocked for the first time in US history.

None of this is in the interest of Australians. We don't want Australia made great again. We're fine just the way we are.
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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #144 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 5:21pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 5:03pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 3:39pm:
Greenland has lots of: oil, gas and rare earth minerals essential for the United States.

Trump can't let Putin get them.


Greenland is owned by Denmark, Bobby.  Does Trump want to dissolve NATO?  Does Putin want to go to war with NATO?  Gee, so many hard questions.  You going to answer them or you going to duck and hide the way you usually do.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



OK let me explain it.

China has put sanctions on rare earth metals which are essential for making neodymium magnets
that are used for electric motors everywhere but importantly in the military.
Other rare earths are used in the electronics industry which would collapse without them.
The modern world cannot function without rare earth metals.

Putin has had sanctions put on him over the war in Ukraine -
as a result Russian gas and oil has been cut off and must be supplied
in some other way or the whole world will got into a recession or even a depression.

Greenland is a vital area for the military security of the free world
and to push against Putin's expansionism.

The small number of people in Greenland - only 56,000 people cannot be
put ahead of the world's prosperity and security.
It has taken someone with balls like Trump to want to do something about it.
If he can't buy it he'll take it by force - you can't blame him.
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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #145 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 5:29pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 5:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 5:03pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 3:39pm:
Greenland has lots of: oil, gas and rare earth minerals essential for the United States.

Trump can't let Putin get them.


Greenland is owned by Denmark, Bobby.  Does Trump want to dissolve NATO?  Does Putin want to go to war with NATO?  Gee, so many hard questions.  You going to answer them or you going to duck and hide the way you usually do.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



OK let me explain it.

China has put sanctions on rare earth metals which are essential for making neodymium magnets
that are used for electric motors everywhere but importantly in the military.
Other rare earths are used in the electronics industry which would collapse without them.
The modern world cannot function without rare earth metals.

Putin has had sanctions put on him over the war in Ukraine -
as a result Russian gas and oil has been cut off and must be supplied
in some other way or the whole world will got into a recession or even a depression.

Greenland is a vital area for the military security of the free world
and to push against Putin's expansionism.

The small number of people in Greenland - only 56,000 people cannot be
put ahead of the world's prosperity and security.
It has taken someone with balls like Trump to want to do something about it.
If he can't buy it he'll take it by force - you can't blame him.


That's the first post in your own words I've seen in years, dear.

Good show.

Now, do you want to give Brian's question a stab?

Apart from the tsks, the relevant word is NATO.
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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #146 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 5:31pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 5:29pm:
That's the first post in your own words I've seen in years, dear.

Good show.

Now, do you want to give Brian's question a stab?

Apart from the tsks, the relevant word is NATO.



Don't worry - NATO will bend over for Trump
or he'll cut off 100s of $billions in aid and assistance.
It's transactional.
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Reply #147 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 5:45pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 2:42pm:
Meanwhile, here's Trump himself saying "No, I can't assure you on either of those two."

From the 3 minute mark:



You mean economic option is now military, and so his comments were merely redundant? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #148 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 5:50pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 5:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 2:42pm:
Meanwhile, here's Trump himself saying "No, I can't assure you on either of those two."

From the 3 minute mark:



You mean economic option is now military, ...


Might need to get your hearing checked, lee.

Asked at a press conference at his Florida resort whether he could assure the world he would not use military or economic coercion as he tries to gain control of the Panama Canal and Greenland, Trump said, "No, I can't assure you on either of those two. But I can say this, we need them for economic security."
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Reply #149 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:00pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 5:50pm:
Asked at a press conference at his Florida resort whether he could assure the world he would not use military or economic coercion as he tries to gain control of the Panama Canal and Greenland, Trump said, "No, I can't assure you on either of those two.


Oh two countries are now one scenario, one military and one economic. You are too funny. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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