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Reply #270 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 12:59pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 10:46am:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 10:32am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 10:26am:

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 5:24pm:

Silly bollocks.

I expected nothing less than your default approach: dismissing it outright.

Long winded, selective waffle.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2025 at 5:38pm:

Can you give an actual example of this happening?

How many do you want?

Environmental Policy: Rollbacks of Obama-Era Regulations

What Trump Signed into Law: Trump rolled back numerous environmental protections, including weakening the Clean Power Plan, loosening methane emission standards, and withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement.
Claims to Fossil Fuel Industries: Trump presented himself as a champion of coal, oil, and gas, promising to end what he called the "war on coal" and regulatory overreach.
Claims to Broader Audiences: Trump often downplayed the environmental impact of his policies, framing them as necessary for economic growth and energy independence.
Reality: The rollbacks were criticized by environmentalists and did little to revive the coal industry, which continued to decline due to market forces.

It's simply what he does.

It's just, and this is his still, nobody cares because they know he's a lying sack of s

hit

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Silly bollocks is correct.

[The United States has been an annual net total energy exporter since 2019.

Your stupid little spin flatly contradicts the facts:
Trum rolled back red and green tape to achieve energy independence.
And he achieved energy independence.

You are one of the many silly buggers who kvetch about green tape and red tape .

During Trump's presidency, there was a modest uptick in coal mining jobs. This was largely due to regulatory rollbacks and a temporary increase in global demand for coal exports. However, the increase was minimal, roughly a few thousand jobs at its peak.

For example, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported about 50,000 coal mining jobs in 2016, which rose to around 53,000 jobs by mid-2018.

Subsequent Decline:

Despite efforts to boost coal, structural forces like the rise of cheaper natural gas, renewables, and automation continued to erode the coal industry.

By the end of Trump's term in early 2021, coal mining employment had fallen back to around 42,000 jobs, according to BLS data.

The focus was on the coal industry friend.

Swing and a miss, again.

The focus was not on coal, as your previous post made it clear. But now you want to shift a little and leave out oil, gas. The US achieved energy independence and became as net energy exporter.

Lots of other achievements in his first term. You and the rest of the TDS kids would not be so deranged and seething if he was really as ineffective and inconsequential as you now try to make it out.

Here's a NYT list. Knock yourselves out kvetching and quibbling.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/11/opinion/fact-check-trump.html

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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #271 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 3:13pm

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 12:59pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 10:46am:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 10:32am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 10:26am:

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 5:24pm:

Silly bollocks.

I expected nothing less than your default approach: dismissing it outright.

Long winded, selective waffle.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2025 at 5:38pm:

Can you give an actual example of this happening?

How many do you want?

Environmental Policy: Rollbacks of Obama-Era Regulations

What Trump Signed into Law: Trump rolled back numerous environmental protections, including weakening the Clean Power Plan, loosening methane emission standards, and withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement.
Claims to Fossil Fuel Industries: Trump presented himself as a champion of coal, oil, and gas, promising to end what he called the "war on coal" and regulatory overreach.
Claims to Broader Audiences: Trump often downplayed the environmental impact of his policies, framing them as necessary for economic growth and energy independence.
Reality: The rollbacks were criticized by environmentalists and did little to revive the coal industry, which continued to decline due to market forces.

It's simply what he does.

It's just, and this is his still, nobody cares because they know he's a lying sack of s

hit

.

Silly bollocks is correct.

[The United States has been an annual net total energy exporter since 2019.

Your stupid little spin flatly contradicts the facts:
Trum rolled back red and green tape to achieve energy independence.
And he achieved energy independence.

You are one of the many silly buggers who kvetch about green tape and red tape .

During Trump's presidency, there was a modest uptick in coal mining jobs. This was largely due to regulatory rollbacks and a temporary increase in global demand for coal exports. However, the increase was minimal, roughly a few thousand jobs at its peak.

For example, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported about 50,000 coal mining jobs in 2016, which rose to around 53,000 jobs by mid-2018.

Subsequent Decline:

Despite efforts to boost coal, structural forces like the rise of cheaper natural gas, renewables, and automation continued to erode the coal industry.

By the end of Trump's term in early 2021, coal mining employment had fallen back to around 42,000 jobs, according to BLS data.

The focus was on the coal industry friend.

Swing and a miss, again.

The focus was not on coal, as your previous post made it clear.

I know what the focus was, because it was my post, that's why I included,

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

"war on coal"

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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #272 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 5:06pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 3:13pm:

quote author=Frank link=1736300032/270#270 date=1736996357]SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 10:46am:

The focus was not on coal, as your previous post made it clear.

I know what the focus was, because it was my post, that's why I included,

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

"war on coal"

Try to be honest at least when there is clear evidence that you are trying to distort and twist not just what others say but even what YOU yourself said:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

Trump presented himself as a champion of coal, oil, and gas, promising to end what he called the "war on coal" and regulatory overreach.

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Reply #273 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 7:17pm

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 5:06pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 3:13pm:

quote author=Frank link=1736300032/270#270 date=1736996357]SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 10:46am:

The focus was not on coal, as your previous post made it clear.

I know what the focus was, because it was my post, that's why I included,

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

"war on coal"

Try to be honest at least when there is clear evidence that you are trying to distort and twist not just what others say but even what YOU yourself said:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

Trump presented himself as a champion of coal, oil, and gas, promising to end what he called the "war on coal" and regulatory overreach.

Coal rather peaked in the 1700's It's use by date passed somewhere in a previous century.

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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #274 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 7:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 7:17pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 5:06pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 3:13pm:

quote author=Frank link=1736300032/270#270 date=1736996357]SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 10:46am:

The focus was not on coal, as your previous post made it clear.

I know what the focus was, because it was my post, that's why I included,

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

"war on coal"

Try to be honest at least when there is clear evidence that you are trying to distort and twist not just what others say but even what YOU yourself said:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

Trump presented himself as a champion of coal, oil, and gas, promising to end what he called the "war on coal" and regulatory overreach.

Coal rather peaked in the 1700's It's use by date passed somewhere in a previous century.

Much like Trump, the convicted felon and adjudicated rapist.

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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #276 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 7:35pm

lee wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 7:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 7:17pm:

Coal rather peaked in the 1700's It's use by date passed somewhere in a previous century.

That's not what happened. see-

https://ourworldindata.org/global-energy-200-years

Another who doesn't know what he doesn't know. Roll Eyes

So I exaggerated a little. Coal was viable well into the 1900's but the premise is the same. Politics has unnecessarily kept it going up to the 2000's.

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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #278 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:17pm

Flags will be at half mast on D-Day.
'Idaho , North Dakota, Florida , Alabama , Tennessee and Iowa noted in announcements this week that U.S. flags across their states would be relowered on Jan. 21 in honor of Carter. Texas Gov. issued a similar notice on Monday.'
Trump complained about nobody wants the flag down on his Big Day next week.

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Reply #279 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:28pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 7:37pm:

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Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenland

Trump needs to be careful - can't alienate everyone - He is going to need somewhere to hide when he leaves office assuming that he survives the term.

Are the left that unhinged and dangerous.

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Reply #280 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:29pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 7:37pm:

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Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenland

Trump needs to be careful - can't alienate everyone - He is going to need somewhere to hide when he leaves office assuming that he survives the term.

Are the left that unhinged and dangerous.

He will commit more crimes he cannot help himself. Once a criminal always a criminal.

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Reply #281 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:38pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 7:37pm:

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Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenland

Trump needs to be careful - can't alienate everyone - He is going to need somewhere to hide when he leaves office assuming that he survives the term.

Are the left that unhinged and dangerous.

You know the attempts on his life if real were all from republicans ?

The biggest threat to Trump would he his health choices, natural causes and prison for future crimes.

I don't see the left as a threat at all.

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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #282 - Jan 16^th, 2025 at 9:19pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:38pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 8:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 7:37pm:

Quote:

Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenland

Trump needs to be careful - can't alienate everyone - He is going to need somewhere to hide when he leaves office assuming that he survives the term.

Are the left that unhinged and dangerous.

You know the attempts on his life if real were all from republicans ?

The biggest threat to Trump would he his health choices, natural causes and prison for future crimes.

I don't see the left as a threat at all.

Well then there is no problem. Especially as the left will love him within three years.

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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #283 - Jan 17^th, 2025 at 10:35am

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 5:06pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 3:13pm:

quote author=Frank link=1736300032/270#270 date=1736996357]SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 10:46am:

The focus was not on coal, as your previous post made it clear.

I know what the focus was, because it was my post, that's why I included,

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

"war on coal"

Try to be honest at least when there is clear evidence that you are trying to distort and twist not just what others say but even what YOU yourself said:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

Trump presented himself as a champion of coal, oil, and gas, promising to end what he called the "war on coal" and regulatory overreach.

Exactly,

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

Trump presented himself as a champion of coal, oil, and gas, promising to end what he called the "war on coal" and regulatory overreach.

Then I went to highlight the coal jobs figures.

You can't handle it, so you're trying to deflect to something us, as usual.

Do better.

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Re: Donald Trump has again expressed interest Greenlan
Reply #284 - Jan 17^th, 2025 at 11:07am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 17^th, 2025 at 10:35am:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 5:06pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 3:13pm:

quote author=Frank link=1736300032/270#270 date=1736996357]SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2025 at 10:46am:

The focus was not on coal, as your previous post made it clear.

I know what the focus was, because it was my post, that's why I included,

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

"war on coal"

Try to be honest at least when there is clear evidence that you are trying to distort and twist not just what others say but even what YOU yourself said:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

Trump presented himself as a champion of coal, oil, and gas, promising to end what he called the "war on coal" and regulatory overreach.

Exactly,

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2025 at 12:58pm:

Trump presented himself as a champion of coal, oil, and gas, promising to end what he called the "war on coal" and regulatory overreach.

Then I went to highlight the coal jobs figures.

You can't handle it, so you're trying to deflect to something us, as usual.

Do better.

He did end the war on coal. And gas and oil.

What the markets do AFTER the red and green tape is rolled back is another matter. After all, he didnt say he'd nationalise and mandate coal.

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