Australian Politics Forum - the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue?

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Reply #120 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 9:54am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 2:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 12:45pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 2:37pm:

After the affect(the fires) the LAFD Chief pointed the finger at the mayor for slashing her budget by $17.6 million.

Crap.. there were no finding cuts. Funding went up. The only thing on hold was the money set aside for wages, and that was because they were still in negotiations 'over pay rises' for the year. Even that wasn't 'cut' ... it was just put aside into a separate account until the negotiations were over and it could be properly allocated

Indeed.

The budget for the fire department in Fiscal Year 2024 - 2025 increased from $819.6 million to $895.6 million.

When compared to the previous year's budget (Fiscal Year 2023 - 2024), this current year's fire department budget in total is larger by $58.4 million.

According to a document from the city administrative officer, the increase in this year's budget was approved specifically to meet salary and benefit increases included in the new union contract.

Salaries & benefits don't put out fires, empty reservoirs & fire hydrants don't put out fires, DEI priorities don't put out fires, LAFDs DEI Chief Kristine Larsons fire victim blaming doesn't put out fires,

seems you pair of numpties also have your priorities phukked up.

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Reply #121 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 9:56am

Frank wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 6:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 6:43pm:

"However overall, the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (CAL FIRE)'s wildfire protection budget has increased sharply from $1.1 billion in 2014 to $3 billion in 2023, much of which took place after Newsom became governor in 2019."

And yet Pacific Palisades burned to the ground.
What HAVE they done with the $3 billion?

They've used it to push the DEI agenda.

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Reply #122 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 9:58am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 6:53pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 6:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 6:43pm:

"However overall, the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (CAL FIRE)'s wildfire protection budget has increased sharply from $1.1 billion in 2014 to $3 billion in 2023, much of which took place after Newsom became governor in 2019."

And yet Pacific Palisades burned to the ground.
What HAVE they done with the $3 billion?

You can't fight fires without water - wind or no wind.

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Reply #123 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 10:10am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 9:00pm:

lee wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 8:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 8:02pm:

Watch the video.

Why does it show wind lighting fires? Wink

Or perhaps wind carrying burning embers, a much more likely scenario. In which case the fire is already there. Roll Eyes

An ember isn't a wildfire.

The wind is the culprit.

Watch the video and learn something for a change.

Or, make another silly comment and follow it up with lots of laughing emojis.

Your call.

How about you learn something?

The Santa Anna winds are a common event.

The wind speeds this year are not the highest on record - that was in 2011.

Don't you think that by now there would be contingencies in place for this common Californian phenomena?

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The Santa Ana winds and the accompanying raging wildfires have been a part of the ecosystem of the Los Angeles Basin for over 5,000 years, dating back to the earliest habitation of the region by the Tongva and Tataviam peoples.[22]

The Santa Ana winds have been recognized and reported in English-language records as a weather phenomenon in Southern California since at least the mid-nineteenth century.[1]

During the Mexican–American War, Commodore Robert Stockton reported that a "strange, dust-laden windstorm" arrived in the night while his troops were marching south through California in January 1847.[5]
Various episodes of hot, dry winds have been described over this history as dust storms, hurricane-force winds, and violent north-easters, damaging houses and destroying fruit orchards.

Newspaper archives have many photographs of regional damage dating back to the beginnings of news reporting in Los Angeles.

When the Los Angeles Basin was primarily an agricultural region, the winds were feared particularly by farmers for their potential to destroy crops.[1]

The strongest Santa Ana winds yet recorded occurred in early December 2011. An atmospheric set-up occurred that allowed the towns of Pasadena and Altadena in the San Gabriel Valley to get whipped by sustained winds at 97 mph (156 km/h), and gusts up to 167 mph (269 km/h).[23][24]

Mammoth Mountain experienced a near-record wind gust of 175 mph (282 km/h), on December 1, 2011.

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Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue?
Reply #124 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 10:12am

Gnads wrote on Jan 14^th, 2025 at 10:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 9:00pm:

lee wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 8:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 8:02pm:

Watch the video.

Why does it show wind lighting fires? Wink

Or perhaps wind carrying burning embers, a much more likely scenario. In which case the fire is already there. Roll Eyes

An ember isn't a wildfire.

The wind is the culprit.

Watch the video and learn something for a change.

Or, make another silly comment and follow it up with lots of laughing emojis.

Your call.

How about you learn something?

The Santa Anna winds are a common event.

Yes, that's correct.

As are Californian wildfires.

And an ember isn't a wildfire.

The wind is the culprit.

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Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue?
Reply #125 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 10:24am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2025 at 10:12am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 14^th, 2025 at 10:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 9:00pm:

lee wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 8:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 8:02pm:

Watch the video.

Why does it show wind lighting fires? Wink

Or perhaps wind carrying burning embers, a much more likely scenario. In which case the fire is already there. Roll Eyes

An ember isn't a wildfire.

The wind is the culprit.

Watch the video and learn something for a change.

Or, make another silly comment and follow it up with lots of laughing emojis.

Your call.

How about you learn something?

The Santa Anna winds are a common event.

Yes, that's correct.

As are Californian wildfires.

And an ember isn't a wildfire.

The wind is the culprit.

No the initial ignition point/fire is the culprit.

The winds just increase the speed and ferocity.

So instead of stating the obvious why don't you have something to say about how common the fires & Santa Anna winds are ... and why over all the centuries but more importantly the last 2 haven't people come up with better contingencies to deal with these fires?

Why are there problems with water supply?

Why are there problems where fire hydrants that have no water?

Why are 2ndary priorities(DEI) trumping the primary priorities of the cities water supply and Fire Dept being able to do it's core job ... prevention & fighting fires?

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11858 Armidale Gender:	Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue? Reply #126 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 11:01am How much have the gays spent on earthquakes? Why don't they put in some backbone and grit? Why just sit back and let it all happen?
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Leroy Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 1429 Gender:	Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue? Reply #127 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 11:03am You need four things for a fire and wind is not one of them.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11858 Armidale Gender:	Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue? Reply #128 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 11:04am Gnads wrote on Jan 14^th, 2025 at 10:24am: No the initial ignition point/fire is the culprit. This may be the breakthrough that the US needed. Find that initial ignition or put out photo ID of it, get cops on the streets and come down hard on it.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11858 Armidale Gender:	Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue? Reply #129 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 11:06am Leroy wrote on Jan 14^th, 2025 at 11:03am: You need four things for a fire and wind is not one of them. Correct. Wind is not needed, is a nuisance and gets in the way of the Fire Brigades doing their duty. It should be stopped, urgently.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139089 Gender:	Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue? Reply #130 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 11:32am Leroy wrote on Jan 14^th, 2025 at 11:03am: You need four things for a fire and wind is not one of them. We're discussing wildfires, old boy - not campfires. It's the wind.
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Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue?
Reply #131 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 11:34am

I’ve got the emergency app to show within 15 kms any fires etc
Some as recently as this morning 3 kms down the road…
I wasn’t worried… hardly any winds (just a gentle breeze) but, if there was strong winds and fire starts a few kms away… if winds are heading in direction of our abode…. I would be very concerned! Undecided

Because as these reports recently say “small fire” but under control… yes, on a good day it is.
With fierce winds, from little fires big fires grow.
And on windy days of stern fire danger warning….I’m saying “I bet some f-wit starts a fire today!”

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17976 Gender:	Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue? Reply #132 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 12:30pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2025 at 10:12am: And an ember isn't a wildfire. Once again poor gweggy refuses to learn. An ember spreads the blaze it doesn't start the blaze. If you didn't constantly beclown yourself there would be far fewer laughing emojis.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11858 Armidale Gender:	Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue? Reply #133 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 12:39pm 10,000 embers on a calm day aren't a wildfire. If they're law abiding there's no need for cops.
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Reply #134 - Jan 14^th, 2025 at 12:44pm

lee wrote on Jan 14^th, 2025 at 12:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2025 at 10:12am:

And an ember isn't a wildfire.

Once again poor gweggy refuses to learn. An ember spreads the blaze it doesn't start the blaze.

If you didn't constantly beclown yourself there would be far fewer laughing emojis. Wink

An ember isn't a wildfire.

Without the wind, there's no wildfire.

The wind is the culprit.

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Question: Albo speaks out saying the L.A fires are from climate change
Yes his right 5 (33.3%) No his not 0 (0.0%) He’s a complete fool 7 (46.7%) He is a expert on climate change 1 (6.7%) Inappropriate use of suffering for votes 2 (13.3%) Total votes: 15 « Last Modified by: Daves2017 on: Jan 11^th, 2025 at 2:00pm »