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Question: Albo speaks out saying the L.A fires are from climate change

Yes his right    
  5 (33.3%)
No his not    
  0 (0.0%)
He’s a complete fool    
  7 (46.7%)
He is a expert on climate change    
  1 (6.7%)
Inappropriate use of suffering for votes    
  2 (13.3%)




Total votes: 15
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Reply #165 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 7:55pm
 
"Wildfires, dramatic and destructive forces of nature, are complex events driven by a multitude of interacting factors. While fuel, ignition, and weather conditions are widely recognized, the role of convection, a fundamental heat transfer mechanism, often goes unappreciated despite its crucial contribution to the fire’s behavior and spread. Understanding how convection operates within a wildfire is essential for improving fire prediction, management, and mitigation strategies. This article delves into the intricacies of convection in wildfires, exploring its mechanisms, its impact on fire dynamics, and its implications for both safety and scientific research."

https://enviroliteracy.org/what-is-the-role-of-convection-in-wildfires/
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Reply #166 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 8:05pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 7:55pm:
its crucial contribution to the fire’s behavior and spread..

All contributions gratefully received. A vertical plume goes up and down and is controllable unless it's not, due to 295kmh winds blowing the plumes off the tree. Uncontrolled plumes cause diahhroea and give you wind blowing off.

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Reply #167 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 8:05pm
 
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Reply #168 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 8:45pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 7:55pm:
"Wildfires, dramatic and destructive forces of nature, are complex events driven by a multitude of interacting factors. While fuel, ignition, and weather conditions are widely recognized, the role of convection, a fundamental heat transfer mechanism, often goes unappreciated despite its crucial contribution to the fire’s behavior and spread. Understanding how convection operates within a wildfire is essential for improving fire prediction, management, and mitigation strategies. This article delves into the intricacies of convection in wildfires, exploring its mechanisms, its impact on fire dynamics, and its implications for both safety and scientific research."

https://enviroliteracy.org/what-is-the-role-of-convection-in-wildfires/


All three factors come into it, the fire needs fuel, oxygen and temperature and wind feeds more oxygen into the mix. The fuel can also play a part, the dryer the fuel for instance will help in the spread of the fire, the lower the ignition point of the fuel. Fire will spread more quickly in a higher temperature so the higher the ambient temp the faster the fire will spread. If temperatures are low and the fuel is damp then the wind will probably put the fire out. The conditions of all three play a part.
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Reply #169 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 9:22pm
 
Leroy wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 8:45pm:
All three factors come into it, the fire needs fuel, oxygen and temperature and wind feeds more oxygen into the mix.


Of course they do. But at its base we have the fire triangle. Fuel, Oxygen, Ignition source.

Leroy wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 8:45pm:
If temperatures are low and the fuel is damp then the wind will probably put the fire out.


Grass is a one-hour fuel source. That is if the wind blows for an hour the grass is ready to burn, provided it is not green.
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Reply #170 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 7:40am
 
lee wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 9:22pm:
That is if the wind blows for an hour .

aha!
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Reply #171 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 8:24am
 
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Reply #172 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 8:31am
 
The LA councillors represent you as a rate payer (or as an alien illegal). Write your councillor today to say what you think.
https://lacity.gov/directory#elected-officials
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Reply #173 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 8:41am
 
chimera wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 8:31am:
The LA councillors represent you as a rate payer (or as an alien illegal). Write your councillor today to say what you think.
https://lacity.gov/directory#elected-officials


Thats a great link -just gave NewScum And Bass a touchup Wink
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Reply #174 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 8:45am
 
SerialBrain9 wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 8:41am:
chimera wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 8:31am:
The LA councillors represent you as a rate payer (or as an alien illegal). Write your councillor today to say what you think.
https://lacity.gov/directory#elected-officials


Thats a great link -just gave NewScum And Bass a touchup Wink


Did you ask them to stop the wind?

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Reply #175 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 9:06am
 
lee wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 9:22pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 8:45pm:
All three factors come into it, the fire needs fuel, oxygen and temperature and wind feeds more oxygen into the mix.


Of course they do. But at its base we have the fire triangle. Fuel, Oxygen, Ignition source.

Leroy wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 8:45pm:
If temperatures are low and the fuel is damp then the wind will probably put the fire out.


Grass is a one-hour fuel source. That is if the wind blows for an hour the grass is ready to burn, provided it is not green.



There should be a windfarm at the Pacific Palisades, not densely built wooden luxury houses.

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Reply #176 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 10:58am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 9:06am:
lee wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 9:22pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 8:45pm:
All three factors come into it, the fire needs fuel, oxygen and temperature and wind feeds more oxygen into the mix.


Of course they do. But at its base we have the fire triangle. Fuel, Oxygen, Ignition source.

Leroy wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 8:45pm:
If temperatures are low and the fuel is damp then the wind will probably put the fire out.


Grass is a one-hour fuel source. That is if the wind blows for an hour the grass is ready to burn, provided it is not green.



There should be a windfarm at the Pacific Palisades, not densely built wooden luxury houses.



Yes! Good thinking 99!
Pity they didn’t know about that possibility back then decades ago when selling off individual plots of land for housing.
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Reply #177 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 2:47pm
 
chimera wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 7:40am:
lee wrote on Jan 14th, 2025 at 9:22pm:
That is if the wind blows for an hour .

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That is only for wet grass. Stupid. Grin Grin Grin Grin

"In the past decade, the United States has seen no shortage of natural disasters. From hurricanes that tear across the coast, destroying homes and flooding properties, to wildfires that consume thousands of acres of land, nature is often vicious and indifferent to human life. But it is also very peculiar. Most consider wildfires transient in their destruction, a singular event that burns forests and homes before firefighters quell the flames. But under the right conditions, an intense wildfire can produce its own weather with the potential to cause thunderstorms and—in some cases—“firenadoes,” and the science behind this phenomenon is fascinating."

https://magazine.scienceconnected.org/2018/11/wildfires-start-their-own-weather/

What? Fires creating their own weather? Winds are weather. Wink

"Wildfires can generate tornado-like fire whirls and other "unpredictable and erratic" weather. An atmospheric scientist explains how."

https://www.livescience.com/planet-earth/wildfires/wildfires-can-create-their-ow...

Wildfires generate fire-whirls? Oh dear.

"The fire sucked air towards it, generating wind speeds of up to 117km/h (73mph) and rocking cars in a nearby municipality. Still the flames charged on, now devouring 4,460 hectares (17sq miles) of forest an hour."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/future/article/20210513-the-most-intense-firestorms-in-the...

Again fire generating winds.
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Reply #178 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 3:37pm
 
Gullys can create wind tunnels, although there is no overall wind. These wind tunnels can rip fire from A to B really fast.
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Reply #179 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 3:50pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 2:47pm:
Again fire generating winds.

Your ref says 'Like in Portugal, the fires in Maule went through a sudden huge acceleration, says Castellnou. "By 25 January, the fire had been burning for 10 days, but that night it suddenly grew four times larger,'
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It was uncontrolled wildfire for 10 days before the plume. On the first ignition,'Firefighters were on the scene within minutes, but by that point the wind speed around the fire had accelerated and the smoke plume had expanded to nearly a kilometre (0.6 miles) wide.' The PCB was 10 days later with 27 sq km burnt, generating heat.
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