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Reply #45 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:52am

Jasin wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:17am:

We need mass extinction of 8 billion humans to survive.

No, the globe needs the required resource mobilization and allocation to ensure sustainable development and prosperity for all.

Obviously beyond the wit of 'invisible hand' markets...

Note: population growth decreases as poverty decreases.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138041 Gender:	Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue? Reply #46 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:52am Daves2017 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:49am: There must be a reason but I’m wondering why they aren’t using salt water particularly for the fires near the ocean. Saltwater is corrosive. It can damage firefighting equipment - tanks, pumps, pipes, etc.
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Reply #48 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 12:01pm

Daves2017 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:49am:

There must be a reason but I’m wondering why they aren’t using salt water particularly for the fires near the ocean.

I’m reading reports today that they are beginning to run out of water to fight the fires altogether.

I thought America was a wealthy country?

It is.

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Maybe some more mobile firefighting resources and less bombs and missiles in the next budget eh?

No chance, the military industrial complex always has the FIRST claim on the budget, in the US.

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Reply #49 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 12:05pm

Frank wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:52am:

Obviously beyond the wit of 'invisible hand' markets...

Note: population growth decreases as poverty decreases.

Not in Africa, but....

So I didn't state it clearly enough: poverty-ravaged countries in Africa have the highest increases in population growrh in the world, in contrast to the first world with stable or declining populations which rely on 3rd world immigration.
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" Lack of autonomy and opportunity among women and girls can contribute to high fertility and rapid population growth.

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Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue?
Reply #50 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 12:13pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 12:05pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:52am:

Obviously beyond the wit of 'invisible hand' markets...

Note: population growth decreases as poverty decreases.

Not in Africa, but....

So I didn't state it clearly enough: poverty-ravaged countries in Africa have the highest increases in population growrh in the world, in contrast to the first world with stable or declining populations which rely on 3rd world immigration.

Guest Worker Visas - never to be altered into permanent residence and then citizenship. That is one mistake the easy-going European countries made - they had Guest Workers in - then allowed them to become citizens and bring in entire extended families under the delusion that all 'cultures' are equal - thus instantly reversing any benefits from having Guest Workers at all, since all the pressures - including in the aged care sector(s) specifically since this is the big 'calling card' for mass immigration - simply went back to being the exact same problems..... not enough workers for a now enlarged population... insufficient housing ... rising costs of living ... homelessness and joblessness ...REAL inflation (in EVERY case where your dollar balloon is stretched to cover more and more without rising income to suit - that is REAL inflation) ... social unrest and even upheaval .... Disintegration of All That Was Once Held Dear In The West and Was Hard Fought For By Generations There ( ... look for it only in the history books.... now replaced by endless jihad of one kind or another ... by the endless Invasions of social scientists on a ramp .... a civilisation..... gone with the mind) .....

Wy sppeling iz Impotant:-

'Guest Workers in'....... not 'Guest Worker Sin'... though the two have become somewhat interchangeable.

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Reply #51 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 12:19pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 12:05pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:52am:

Obviously beyond the wit of 'invisible hand' markets...

Note: population growth decreases as poverty decreases.

Not in Africa, but....

So I didn't state it clearly enough: poverty-ravaged countries in Africa have the highest increases in population growrh in the world, in contrast to the first world with stable or declining populations which rely on 3rd world immigration.
(google)

" Lack of autonomy and opportunity among women and girls can contribute to high fertility and rapid population growth.

Argh, aye! So re-oppress sheilas to 'barefoot and pregnant' and all is well.... arrrgh ....

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Reply #52 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 12:27pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:17am:

Many people in CA can not get insurance. It is because the additional risk of climate change is known and proven correct.

All around the world we are seeing 100 year events occuring every 2 or 3 years.

That must be why insurance companies are making profits from extreme weather events. Grin

You don't understand statistics. If an event occurs in one year and it is rated as one in a hundred, next year it happens?...It is still one in a hundred year event. Wink

But perhaps you can quote some of these events that are 100 year events happening "every 2 or 3 years". Wink

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Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue?
Reply #53 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 12:28pm

Re-raises that titanic statement to the top .....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 12:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 12:05pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:52am:

Obviously beyond the wit of 'invisible hand' markets...

Note: population growth decreases as poverty decreases.

Not in Africa, but....

So I didn't state it clearly enough: poverty-ravaged countries in Africa have the highest increases in population growrh in the world, in contrast to the first world with stable or declining populations which rely on 3rd world immigration.

Guest Worker Visas - never to be altered into permanent residence and then citizenship. That is one mistake the easy-going European countries made - they had Guest Workers in - then allowed them to become citizens and bring in entire extended families under the delusion that all 'cultures' are equal - thus instantly reversing any benefits from having Guest Workers at all, since all the pressures - including in the aged care sector(s) specifically since this is the big 'calling card' for mass immigration - simply went back to being the exact same problems..... not enough workers for a now enlarged population... insufficient housing ... rising costs of living ... homelessness and joblessness ...REAL inflation (in EVERY case where your dollar balloon is stretched to cover more and more without rising income to suit - that is REAL inflation) ... social unrest and even upheaval .... Disintegration of All That Was Once Held Dear In The West and Was Hard Fought For By Generations There ( ... look for it only in the history books.... now replaced by endless jihad of one kind or another ... by the endless Invasions of social scientists on a ramp .... a civilisation..... gone with the mind) .....

Wy sppeling iz Impotant:-

'Guest Workers in'....... not 'Guest Worker Sin'... though the two have become somewhat interchangeable.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17816 Gender:	Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue? Reply #54 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 12:30pm chimera wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 5:36am: AGW causes jetstream wind extremes in the Arctic, with the LA fires probably linked to that effect. Probably? From a phenomenon known since the 1800's?
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11652 armidale Gender:	Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue? Reply #55 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 1:38pm Yes. As AGW increases, the probability of its causation rises.
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Re: the terrible fires in L.A a climate change issue?
Reply #56 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 2:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:52am:

Daves2017 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:49am:

There must be a reason but I’m wondering why they aren’t using salt water particularly for the fires near the ocean.

Saltwater is corrosive.

It can damage firefighting equipment - tanks, pumps, pipes, etc.

I had thought of that but why would you protect your equipment if soon there’s nothing left for the equipment to protect?

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Reply #57 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 2:20pm

Daves2017 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 2:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:52am:

Daves2017 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:49am:

There must be a reason but I’m wondering why they aren’t using salt water particularly for the fires near the ocean.

Saltwater is corrosive.

It can damage firefighting equipment - tanks, pumps, pipes, etc.

I had thought of that but why would you protect your equipment if soon there’s nothing left for the equipment to protect?

yep, why protect a crappy iveco truck when billions of dollars is going up before your eyes

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Reply #58 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 2:37pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:39am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 8:29am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2025 at 12:14pm:

There is no denying Climate Change is making things worse!!!

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Extreme Weather and Climate Change

As the climate changes, the frequency and intensity of extreme weather events are increasing.

https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/extreme-weather/

And so is the incompetence & corruption of public servants in charge of water infrastructure maintenance, and water supply ....

The public servants aren't to blame, the government failing to fund the necessary resources to allow the public sevants to properly do their allocated job is to blame.

Trump and Musk, via the DOGE, want to eviscerate them even more.

See #37.

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as well as the over riding issues of priority given to Diversity, Equity & Inclusion

Again, crap issues forced onto 'fair-minded'** liberal politicians because mainstream economists make them believe the government has to balance its budget like a household. Classic ignorance.

No need for DEI if work for all is mandated, with the public sector being employer of last resort. (There is always useeful work which needs to be done, in which the private sector can't make a profit).

** survival of the fittest conservative pollies don't do "fair-mindedness", so its a non-issue for them.

The Mayor of Los Angeles is in charge of funding allocations to "her" public servants i.e. the Los Angeles Fire Dept. Just like she does with the Police Force.

It's a tad different over there than here.

The Mayor is a duly elected public servant.

After the affect(the fires) the LAFD Chief pointed the finger at the mayor for slashing her budget by $17.6 million.

Prior to that the Fire Chief was under the microscope for her prioritizing DEI instead of making sure she got what she needed for her dept to do their jobs.

That includes making sure they had adequate water supplies for situations like the fires.

Then you still avoid the question as to why a billionaire couple now have control over 80% or more of the states & LAs water supplies? ..... sells what was the states back to them .... including "paper water" that doesn't exist & is never supplied.

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Reply #59 - Jan 12^th, 2025 at 2:40pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:40am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:29am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2025 at 11:17am:

Many people in CA can not get insurance. It is because the additional risk of climate change is known and proven correct.

All around the world we are seeing 100 year events occuring every 2 or 3 years.

Bollocks - it's Insurance companies making risk assessment based on postcodes/zip codes.

Here's why you can't get home insurance in California

"climate change is the main driver behind the growing inability of insurers to write or renew home insurance"

Then it just proves the scam & agenda that it is & has.

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Question: Albo speaks out saying the L.A fires are from climate change
Yes his right 5 (33.3%) No his not 0 (0.0%) He’s a complete fool 7 (46.7%) He is a expert on climate change 1 (6.7%) Inappropriate use of suffering for votes 2 (13.3%) Total votes: 15 « Last Modified by: Daves2017 on: Jan 11^th, 2025 at 2:00pm »