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Australia's new emission standards
Jan 15th, 2025 at 6:49pm
 
Introduced 1 January 25.

For all vehicles that exceed the standard there are fines, increasing yearly, and as the emission standards lower the emissions target. These fines are on the manufacturer.

The infrastructure dept  expects no increase in price of vehicles affected.

"No. There is no evidence to suggest that the Standard will increase vehicle prices. In jurisdictions that have had a standard in place for some time (around 50 years in the case of the US and Canada), real-world evidence has not shown an increase in price for consumers in the cost of cars."

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"The Standard will help deliver savings to those Australians who use more fuel. Typically, people living in regional Australia drive further than those in the metropolitan areas, and tend to buy more fuel as a result. Average new car buyers in regional and remote areas travel longer distances and will have fuel savings up to 20% higher than buyers in major cities."

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However, as others have noted -

"The NVES isn’t directly a tax, nor does it raise revenue for the government, but it does introduce a cost for manufacturers who fail to meet the emission standards. Here’s how this might affect buyers:



    Penalties for Manufacturers: If a manufacturer sells vehicles exceeding the emissions target, they face fines. For instance, selling 20,000 vehicles at an average of 150g/km CO2 could lead to an $18 million fine.
        Example: If a carmaker incurs a $900 fine per vehicle, they might pass this cost onto consumers, potentially increasing the price of each car by $900."

"For 2025, the mandate for passenger cars (Type 1) is 141g/km of CO2, with light commercial vehicles and heavy-duty SUVs (Type 2) set at 210g/km or less.
Year      Type 1 limit (g/km)      Type 2 limit (g/km)
2025      141      210
2026      117      180
2027      92      150
2028      68      122
2029      58      110"

https://fabfm.com.au/what-australias-first-federal-emission-standard-means-for-ca...

So if one car incurs a fine of $900/ vehicle and sells 1,000 vehicles, that is a $900,000 fine. Does anybody expect that the car market won't pass on the costs?


So the Government raises fines but it doesn't affect Government revenue? Who gets the fine money?

Of course people in remote communities want more solid cars, likely 4WD, and these are at the top of the emissions tree.

There are large distances with no charging infrastructure to service EV's between remote communities. Although the Government contends this is not an EV measure. EG Mt Isa-Townsville, 900KM.

If you want a large car in remote areas, now is the cheapest time to buy. Wink
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Reply #1 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 11:18pm
 
I wonder if these fines apply to government fleet cars as well ?

I will be looking very closely at what the candidate’s for prime minister are driving between now and the election!
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Reply #2 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 7:55am
 
Daves2017 wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 11:18pm:
I wonder if these fines apply to government fleet cars as well ?

I will be looking very closely at what the candidate’s for prime minister are driving between now and the election!


737s and Airbuses in the main.... larger beasts for overseas jaunts at taxpayers expense, including being forced to take the family on the trip.
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Reply #3 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 9:28am
 
More of Labor Destroying the economy…
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Reply #4 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 9:57am
 
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 6:49pm:
Introduced 1 January 25.

For all vehicles that exceed the standard there are fines, increasing yearly, and as the emission standards lower the emissions target. These fines are on the manufacturer.

The infrastructure dept  expects no increase in price of vehicles affected.

"No. There is no evidence to suggest that the Standard will increase vehicle prices. In jurisdictions that have had a standard in place for some time (around 50 years in the case of the US and Canada), real-world evidence has not shown an increase in price for consumers in the cost of cars."

...

"The Standard will help deliver savings to those Australians who use more fuel. Typically, people living in regional Australia drive further than those in the metropolitan areas, and tend to buy more fuel as a result. Average new car buyers in regional and remote areas travel longer distances and will have fuel savings up to 20% higher than buyers in major cities."

...



However, as others have noted -

"The NVES isn’t directly a tax, nor does it raise revenue for the government, but it does introduce a cost for manufacturers who fail to meet the emission standards. Here’s how this might affect buyers:



    Penalties for Manufacturers: If a manufacturer sells vehicles exceeding the emissions target, they face fines. For instance, selling 20,000 vehicles at an average of 150g/km CO2 could lead to an $18 million fine.
        Example: If a carmaker incurs a $900 fine per vehicle, they might pass this cost onto consumers, potentially increasing the price of each car by $900."

"For 2025, the mandate for passenger cars (Type 1) is 141g/km of CO2, with light commercial vehicles and heavy-duty SUVs (Type 2) set at 210g/km or less.
Year      Type 1 limit (g/km)      Type 2 limit (g/km)
2025      141      210
2026      117      180
2027      92      150
2028      68      122
2029      58      110"

https://fabfm.com.au/what-australias-first-federal-emission-standard-means-for-ca...

So if one car incurs a fine of $900/ vehicle and sells 1,000 vehicles, that is a $900,000 fine. Does anybody expect that the car market won't pass on the costs?


So the Government raises fines but it doesn't affect Government revenue? Who gets the fine money?

Of course people in remote communities want more solid cars, likely 4WD, and these are at the top of the emissions tree.

There are large distances with no charging infrastructure to service EV's between remote communities. Although the Government contends this is not an EV measure. EG Mt Isa-Townsville, 900KM.

If you want a large car in remote areas, now is the cheapest time to buy. Wink


This is a very convoluted way to tax GHG emissions. For example, it does not factor the life of the car into the equation. They should just tax petrol sales instead.
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Reply #5 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 11:03am
 
They'll want a turnover use of cars being 10 years at the most, 5 years at the least to help the Car Industry. Just like when Keating and then Gillard enforced Cops to defect older cars off the road to help the automotive industry out during ALP recessional periods.
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Reply #6 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 11:06am
 
This should help offset about 0.005% of the emissions from the coal Australia exports.
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Reply #7 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 12:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 9:57am:
They should just tax petrol sales instead.


They already do. GST and excise duty. But higher prices in remote areas would only increase as opposed to the claims. So much for looking after remote communities.
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Reply #8 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 12:48pm
 
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They already do.


Everything is taxed. They should tax fuel more. The tax on petrol should raise enough revenue to cover road construction and maintenance, GST on top of that, and an additional tax for the GHG emissions.

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But higher prices in remote areas would only increase as opposed to the claims.


Is English your second language?
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Reply #9 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 3:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 12:48pm:
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They already do.


Everything is taxed. They should tax fuel more. The tax on petrol should raise enough revenue to cover road construction and maintenance, GST on top of that, and an additional tax for the GHG emissions.


Just so. Why should we have to pay for a bunch of revhead hayseeds?

If they want to indulge their addiction to fossil fuels, they can sniff petrol with their friends.
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Reply #10 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 3:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 12:48pm:
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But higher prices in remote areas would only increase as opposed to the claims.


Is English your second language?


The claim.
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 6:49pm:
"The Standard will help deliver savings to those Australians who use more fuel. Typically, people living in regional Australia drive further than those in the metropolitan areas, and tend to buy more fuel as a result. Average new car buyers in regional and remote areas travel longer distances and will have fuel savings up to 20% higher than buyers in major cities."


So how will it help remote communities save from using more fuel? Wink
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Reply #11 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 3:58pm
 
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So how will it help remote communities save from using more fuel?


The explanation is in your quote. Seems pretty clear to me.
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Reply #12 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 4:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 3:58pm:
The explanation is in your quote. Seems pretty clear to me.


And yet it does nothing for remote communities unless they go to smaller vehicles or EV's.

It is a way of forcing. Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 4:18pm
 
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And yet it does nothing for remote communities unless they go to smaller vehicles or EV's.


Well done Lee. You have answered your own question.
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Reply #14 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 4:27pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 4:18pm:
Well done Lee. You have answered your own question.



But the government claims it is not forcing.
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