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Reply #60 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 8:03pm
 
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Reply #61 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 8:05pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 7:41pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:29pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 3:37pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 3:33pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 3:17pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 1:33pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 10:14am:
Being super-rich is not a synonym for being an oligarch.



Tyranny, as I was saying, is monarchy exercising the rule of a master over the political society; oligarchy is when men of property have the government in their hands; democracy, the opposite, when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the rulers. And here arises the first of our difficulties, and it relates to the distinction drawn. For democracy is said to be the government of the many. But what if the many are men of property and have the power in their hands? In like manner oligarchy is said to be the government of the few; but what if the poor are fewer than the rich, and have the power in their hands because they are stronger?
Aristotle, Politics, book 3.

So, according to Aristotle, you must already be a man of property before you can become an oligarch.

No doubt even in ancient Greece, you could also be a man of property and not an oligarch.


Oligarch means a few rich individuals have the government in their hands. Democracy means rule by the many, the poor. 

in the 21st century, democratic rule includes more than the poor - i.e. the unpropertied, in Aristotlean speak.

Unpropertied = poor.


So, those who rent, or lease are poor in the 21st century?

What bozo angle is THAT? 

No. Some renters are mega rich. If I were mega rich I wouldn't buy anything, I would just live in the Ritz around the world.

What kind of moronic gotcha are you angling for in your usual gauche way?


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Reply #62 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 8:20pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 8:05pm:
What bozo angle is THAT? 

No. Some renters are mega rich. If I were mega rich I wouldn't buy anything, I would just live in the Ritz around the world.

What kind of moronic gotcha are you angling for in your usual gauche way?



Aww Agatha Frank (they/them) sitting on a bottle of Queensland Farmer again.

And some renters, like nearly all of them, are not mega-rich... and not poor.




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Reply #63 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 9:03pm
 
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Reply #64 - Jan 19th, 2025 at 4:45pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 8:41pm:
Biden warns US on verge of tech billionaire 'oligarchy'

And he's not wrong...

From Peter Thiel's eccentric, yet successful, application for a New Zealand passport - then his unsuccessful building permit applications to build a 'Fuhrer Bunker' style dwelling in its South Island, to Elon Musk's lambasting foreign heads of government - using his almost monopoly of social media...

To Zuckerberg's 'welcome' into the 'tech bro' fold...

The US, and the world, will soon be reckoning with an oligarchy the size, combined power and wealth of which the world has never seen.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-16/joe-biden-farewell-address-oval-office-te...

Head Of Crime Family Warns About Dangers Of Corruption


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WASHINGTON, D.C. — In a stirring farewell address to the nation, the notorious head of a prolific crime family warned America about the clear and present danger of government corruption.

"Folks, we can't have any of this corruption in government," said the man who had enriched himself off corruption during his half a century in office. "It's dangerous, I mean it. If Trump takes office and lets Elon glurbdren thu flazzgrizzerbs, obwaltshuuun dorble Vivek clamshirr."

The wealthy oligarch then warned the nation what might happen if America is run by oligarchs. "I shudder to think of what could happen to our democracy," he said. "I'm out of teddy grahams. Someone get me more teddy grahams and apple juice. Jill! JILL!"


According to sources close to the owner of 20 Ukrainian money-laundering shell corporations, Biden plans to live his final few weeks of life quietly on the beach, funded by the hundreds of millions of dollars amassed by his family.

"We should all listen to this dire warning from one of America's most noble and dignified presidents," said commentator Joy Reid. "No one would know better than him."

At publishing time, Hunter Biden was reportedly having trouble getting a Chinese oligarch to return his phone calls.
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Reply #65 - Jan 19th, 2025 at 4:58pm
 
Leroy wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 1:38pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 10:14am:
Being super-rich is not a synonym for being an oligarch.


What makes Musk a oligarch?.


He seems to have inserted himself into the political process or attempted to for his own benefit across a number of countries. He seems to be wanting to take the place of the Murdoch family only more so. Murdoch seems to have wanted the power and influence I don't really see the same personal profit motive though I could be wrong.
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Reply #66 - Jan 19th, 2025 at 5:08pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 19th, 2025 at 4:45pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 8:41pm:
Biden warns US on verge of tech billionaire 'oligarchy'

And he's not wrong...

From Peter Thiel's eccentric, yet successful, application for a New Zealand passport - then his unsuccessful building permit applications to build a 'Fuhrer Bunker' style dwelling in its South Island, to Elon Musk's lambasting foreign heads of government - using his almost monopoly of social media...

To Zuckerberg's 'welcome' into the 'tech bro' fold...

The US, and the world, will soon be reckoning with an oligarchy the size, combined power and wealth of which the world has never seen.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-16/joe-biden-farewell-address-oval-office-te...

Head Of Crime Family Warns About Dangers Of Corruption


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WASHINGTON, D.C. — In a stirring farewell address to the nation, the notorious head of a prolific crime family warned America about the clear and present danger of government corruption.

"Folks, we can't have any of this corruption in government," said the man who had enriched himself off corruption during his half a century in office. "It's dangerous, I mean it. If Trump takes office and lets Elon glurbdren thu flazzgrizzerbs, obwaltshuuun dorble Vivek clamshirr."

The wealthy oligarch then warned the nation what might happen if America is run by oligarchs. "I shudder to think of what could happen to our democracy," he said. "I'm out of teddy grahams. Someone get me more teddy grahams and apple juice. Jill! JILL!"


According to sources close to the owner of 20 Ukrainian money-laundering shell corporations, Biden plans to live his final few weeks of life quietly on the beach, funded by the hundreds of millions of dollars amassed by his family.

"We should all listen to this dire warning from one of America's most noble and dignified presidents," said commentator Joy Reid. "No one would know better than him."

At publishing time, Hunter Biden was reportedly having trouble getting a Chinese oligarch to return his phone calls.


You do know which crime family actually have multiple convictions against them ?


the Trump crime family

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Reply #67 - Jan 19th, 2025 at 5:31pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 19th, 2025 at 4:58pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 1:38pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 10:14am:
Being super-rich is not a synonym for being an oligarch.


What makes Musk a oligarch?.


He seems to have inserted himself into the political process or attempted to for his own benefit across a number of countries. He seems to be wanting to take the place of the Murdoch family only more so. Murdoch seems to have wanted the power and influence I don't really see the same personal profit motive though I could be wrong.

Well, it is about money and power, but not for more servants and yachts...

The tech bros are scrambling for the next-generation technology required to run the AI of the next decade.

The infrastructure complexity required to create chips at less than 2 nanometres requires funding for research, production then ready-for-use, costing in the hundreds of billions.

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Reply #68 - Jan 19th, 2025 at 6:10pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 19th, 2025 at 4:58pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 1:38pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 10:14am:
Being super-rich is not a synonym for being an oligarch.


What makes Musk a oligarch?.


He seems to have inserted himself into the political process or attempted to for his own benefit across a number of countries. He seems to be wanting to take the place of the Murdoch family only more so. Murdoch seems to have wanted the power and influence I don't really see the same personal profit motive though I could be wrong.


This is the story going on the left leaning side of the media. But I have seen nothing to believe it.

If I was given options on people to listen to and get advice Musk would be up there, you would be a fool not to hear what he thinks. I'm not saying he knows it all but he has his finger on the pulse.
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Reply #69 - Jan 19th, 2025 at 6:33pm
 
Leroy wrote on Jan 19th, 2025 at 6:10pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 19th, 2025 at 4:58pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 1:38pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 10:14am:
Being super-rich is not a synonym for being an oligarch.


What makes Musk a oligarch?.


He seems to have inserted himself into the political process or attempted to for his own benefit across a number of countries. He seems to be wanting to take the place of the Murdoch family only more so. Murdoch seems to have wanted the power and influence I don't really see the same personal profit motive though I could be wrong.


This is the story going on the left leaning side of the media. But I have seen nothing to believe it.

If you mean that there is an oligarchy in operation, then of course you haven't... Trump isn't in power yet.

Given even Eisenhower warned against a scientific-tech oligarchy in 1961, it isn't even a new concept.
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Reply #70 - Jan 20th, 2025 at 7:39am
 
Yep...

Elon Musk will have an office in the White House.

Musk, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg will be on the dais at the Trump inauguration.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/donald-trump-dark-side-productivity-and-g...
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Reply #71 - Jan 20th, 2025 at 9:03am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 20th, 2025 at 7:39am:
Yep...

Elon Musk will have an office in the White House.

Musk, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg will be on the dais at the Trump inauguration.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/donald-trump-dark-side-productivity-and-g...



These platforms - Twitter, Farcebook, Amazon, Google - banned, deplatformed, cancelled Trump last time around.

What happened? Has Trump changed?
No.

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Reply #72 - Jan 20th, 2025 at 9:05am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 20th, 2025 at 9:03am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 20th, 2025 at 7:39am:
Yep...

Elon Musk will have an office in the White House.

Musk, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg will be on the dais at the Trump inauguration.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/donald-trump-dark-side-productivity-and-g...



These platforms - Twitter, Farcebook, Amazon, Google - banned, deplatformed, cancelled Trump last time around.

What happened? Has Trump changed?
No.



Nope.

He's still a rapist and convicted criminal.

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Reply #73 - Jan 20th, 2025 at 9:43am
 
Trump quipped that Musk came to him begging like a dog to be let in...

Seems Bezos and Zuckerberg followed the 'leader'...

Thiel was already in the camp, so there was no need for him to assume the position.

The question is: what's the deal? Musk's lippyness indicates he's been given latitude...

Time will tell...
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Reply #74 - Jan 20th, 2025 at 9:47am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 20th, 2025 at 9:43am:
Trump quipped that Musk came to him begging like a dog to be let in...

Seems Bezos and Zuckerberg followed the 'leader'...

Thiel was already in the camp, so there was no need for him to assume the position.

The question is: what's the deal? Musk's lippyness indicates he's been given latitude...

Time will tell...


Depends who you read, Some say Musk wears the pants and others say Trump does.


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