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Reply #15 - Jan 18^th, 2025 at 1:32pm

The problem is everyone could become put on it. There was a cashless welfare card trial. If you were in the area where the trial was going on. Then they put people on the card, even if they didn't want to be on it. Its not for everyone, or for that matter should it be. Then once you were on it, and you wanted to get off it, well that was another problem for you as well. Sad

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Reply #16 - Jan 18^th, 2025 at 1:41pm

whiteknight wrote on Jan 18^th, 2025 at 1:32pm:

The problem is everyone could become put on it. There was a cashless welfare card trial. If you were in the area where the trial was going on. Then they put people on the card, even if they didn't want to be on it. Its not for everyone, or for that matter should it be. Then once you were on it, and you wanted to get off it, well that was another problem for you as well. Sad

Well, here's a question:

If you live off OTHER people's money, should those other people have a say in how you spend their money?

I say yes.

These remote Aborigines on welfare are not taxpayers who have temporarily fallen on hard times. They are on welfare generation after generation, never having worked a day in their lives, never having paid their own way, ever. They should not be able to spend other people's money on piss and drugs.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49380 At my desk.	Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card Reply #17 - Jan 18^th, 2025 at 3:07pm Quote: The problem is everyone could become put on it. Someone has to actually pay for it WK. We can't all go welfare.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49445 Gender:	Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card Reply #18 - Jan 18^th, 2025 at 3:14pm If you give a beggar on the street $10. You hope he will buy food and not on drugs and booze. Otherwise you will have done the wrong thing. A Welfare Card would feed the Battlers, not feed the Trolls.
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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8316 melbourne Gender:	Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card Reply #19 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 6:57am Unemployment can happen to anyone at anytime. Those that are working today, could be the ones that are unemployed tomorrow.
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Reply #20 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 7:05am

True. But those who were working and then become unemployed will still benefit from a Welfare Card system, because they want to work again.
But it's about sorting the wheat from the chaff.
The battlers from the Bludgers.
Those who make the Welfare system work from those Bludgers who just exploit the system for drugs and alcohol.

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Reply #21 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 11:56am

whiteknight wrote on Jan 17^th, 2025 at 7:18am:

The cashless welfare card idea belongs in the rubbish bin. Sad

Yeah that's why all the women folk in remote NT communities that had it wanted it back.

After Labor scrapped it the rates of alcohol related DV, sexual assault and child sexual abuse skyrocketed.

Obviously White Knight you have no consideration for those victims.

It also stopped welfare dependent individuals in urban/city environments from blowing all the money on drugs, piss, smokes and gambling.

You're a thoughtless clown at times .... then again I knew that the first time you said you were going to vote for the Greens lunatics.

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Reply #22 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 11:57am

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2025 at 10:47am:

Frank wrote on Jan 18^th, 2025 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 17^th, 2025 at 3:59pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2025 at 11:44am:

There must be some data out there that can either support or disagree that the former policy was a success or not?
I don’t care for the politicians at all but I do care for Australian people.

several studies showed it failed

Nonsense.

yes, you are full of nonsense. But we already knew that

https://impact.monash.edu/thriving-communities/built-on-hope-and-biases-why-the-...

https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2020/02/compulsory-income-management-disablin...

https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2020/12/14/four-reasons-why-the-cash...

ya dumbarse Cheesy

3 links to woke arsed Universities Grin

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Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card
Reply #24 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 12:16pm

Evidence continues to stack up against Cashless Debit Card Sad

2020-11-18
greens.org.au
The Greens have tabled a dissenting report to the inquiry into the Government’s Social Security (Administration) Amendment (Continuation of Cashless Welfare) Bill 2020 saying that there isn’t evidence to justify the use of the card, that in fact the process adversely impacts people and should be abandoned.

“Through this inquiry process and over many years, the Government and supporters of this card have failed to provide any quantitative evidence that the card has met any of its objectives”, Greens Spokesperson on Family and Community Services Senator Rachel Siewert said.

The Government has also failed to commit to releasing the next evaluation before the legislation is voted on and the Committee has not had access during its determination. Just today a University of South Australia researcher said she was surprised by how little evidence there is to support the introduction of a Cashless Debit Card.

In the final sitting weeks of 2020, the Senate will again be forced to vote on a complex and divisive piece of legislation in a short time-frame while many questions remain unanswered.

One such question is whether the Government will choose to place new income support recipients in the four trial sites onto the Cashless Debit Card.

The Minister paused new entrants being placed on the Cashless Debit Card in March, it is unclear whether this pause will remain in place once the card becomes permanent. People have a right to know whether they will be placed onto the Cashless Debit Card before the scheme becomes permanent.

The Greens reject any proposition that genuine, two-way consultation has occurred with First Nations communities or anyone currently on the Cashless Debit Card about the proposal to make the scheme permanent.

Many submitters highlighted that the absence of any real consultation with First Nations communities goes against the new National Agreement on Closing the Gap which has been founded on the principles of shared decision-making and self-determination.

There has been little to no transparency around the cost of implementing and rolling out the Cashless Debit Card. The future outputs for the scheme are shrouded in secrecy and ‘commercial in confidence’ agreements with the cardholder, Indue. The community only ever discovers the cost of the scheme after the fact.

This Bill is no different. We have no understanding of how much it will cost to permanently entrench the Cashless Debit Card, lift the cap on the number of participants who enter the scheme, and roll it out to the Northern Territory.

This scheme goes to the broader question of a private company, in this case Indue, profiting from our social security system.

There is no evidence to support the entrenchment of this punitive scheme and the Senate crossbench must reject it.

In the middle of a global pandemic and Australia’s first recession in 30 years, the Government has chosen this moment as the right time to make the Cashless Debit Card permanent.

It is astounding that the Government refuses to make any decisions about the base rate of the Jobseeker payment due to the changing economic conditions but is happy to try and entrench compulsory income management.

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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8316 melbourne Gender:	Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card Reply #25 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 12:18pm The cashless welfare card idea, belongs in the rubbish bin.
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Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card
Reply #26 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 12:21pm

whiteknight wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 12:16pm:

Evidence continues to stack up against Cashless Debit Card Sad

2020-11-18
greens.org.au
The Greens have tabled a dissenting report to the inquiry into the Government’s Social Security (Administration) Amendment (Continuation of Cashless Welfare) Bill 2020 saying that there isn’t evidence to justify the use of the card, that in fact the process adversely impacts people and should be abandoned.

“Through this inquiry process and over many years, the Government and supporters of this card have failed to provide any https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116804/witnesses/HHRG-118-HA00-Wstate-HemingwayM-20240207-U1.pdf evidence that the card has met any of its objectives”, Greens Spokesperson on Family and Community Services Senator Rachel Siewert said.

The Government has also failed to commit to releasing the next evaluation before the legislation is voted on and the Committee has not had access during its determination. Just today a University of South Australia researcher said she was surprised by how little evidence there is to support the introduction of a Cashless Debit Card.

In the final sitting weeks of 2020, the Senate will again be forced to vote on a complex and divisive piece of legislation in a short time-frame while many questions remain unanswered.

One such question is whether the Government will choose to place new income support recipients in the four trial sites onto the Cashless Debit Card.

The Minister paused new entrants being placed on the Cashless Debit Card in March, it is unclear whether this pause will remain in place once the card becomes permanent. People have a right to know whether they will be placed onto the Cashless Debit Card before the scheme becomes permanent.

The Greens reject any proposition that genuine, two-way consultation has occurred with First Nations communities or anyone currently on the Cashless Debit Card about the proposal to make the scheme permanent.

Many submitters highlighted that the absence of any real consultation with First Nations communities goes against the new National Agreement on Closing the Gap which has been founded on the principles of shared decision-making and self-determination.

There has been little to no transparency around the cost of implementing and rolling out the Cashless Debit Card. The future outputs for the scheme are shrouded in secrecy and ‘commercial in confidence’ agreements with the cardholder, Indue. The community only ever discovers the cost of the scheme after the fact.

This Bill is no different. We have no understanding of how much it will cost to permanently entrench the Cashless Debit Card, lift the cap on the number of participants who enter the scheme, and roll it out to the Northern Territory.

This scheme goes to the broader question of a private company, in this case Indue, profiting from our social security system.

There is no evidence to support the entrenchment of this punitive scheme and the Senate crossbench must reject it.

In the middle of a global pandemic and Australia’s first recession in 30 years, the Government has chosen this moment as the right time to make the Cashless Debit Card permanent.

It is astounding that the Government refuses to make any decisions about the base rate of the Jobseeker payment due to the changing economic conditions but is happy to try and entrench compulsory income management.

Adverse effect merely asserted by the Grusome Greens, not IN ANY WAY demonstrated.
Ditto with Thicko Smitho's uni articles.

Reality on the ground ( not in the Canbera and Melbourne offices of activists)
NACCHO Aboriginal Health and #Alcohol : Cashless welfare card in Indigenous communities ‘cuts use of alcohol and drugs says new report
https://nacchocommunique.com/2017/03/14/naccho-aboriginal-health-and-alcohol-cas...

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Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card
Reply #27 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 12:50pm

whiteknight wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 12:16pm:

Evidence continues to stack up against Cashless Debit Card Sad

2020-11-18
greens.org.au
The Greens have tabled a dissenting report to the inquiry into the Government’s Social Security (Administration) Amendment (Continuation of Cashless Welfare) Bill 2020 saying that there isn’t evidence to justify the use of the card, that in fact the process adversely impacts people and should be abandoned.

Good one Greens.

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Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card
Reply #28 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 1:06pm

Four reasons why the cashless 'welfare' card trial must stop Sad

14 December 2020 University Of Sydney.
It is anti-welfare, punitive, costly and ineffective
Associate Professor Ruth Phillips argues against a program that limits what people can buy with welfare payments. The program has just been extended by two years.

The government’s controversial cashless debit card, known as the cashless welfare card, restricts what welfare recipients can purchase – notably, it limits alcohol and gambling-related products and services. After being trialled for three to four years at several sites across the country, largely with low socio-economic, Indigenous populations, the government has just announced a two-year trial extension.

Associate Professor Ruth Phillips, a social policy expert from the University of Sydney School of Education and Social Work, argues it should be scrapped altogether.

1. It is anti-welfare Sad

The card is one part of a suite of anti-welfare impositions by LNP governments on people who are welfare dependent, along with the mutual obligations model that punishes recipients by ceasing payments, the ‘Robodebt’ scandal, the long-term failure to raise unemployment benefits (apart from the temporary COVID-19 crisis increase) that keeps it as a below the poverty line existence, and the proposed drug-testing regime. The cashless debit card is the most severe means of surveillance over the daily lives of people, as it controls how 80 percent of their benefits are spent. Research has found that the cashless debit card is stigmatising, diminishes individual agency and criminalises any use of the card outside its strict guidelines.

2. It is punitive Sad

The card is applied punitively and is extremely hard to get out of. Once placed on the card, regardless of where you go, you have to stay on the card unless you can ‘demonstrate responsible management of your affairs (including financial affairs)’. If you live in one of the targeted communities you can only avoid being placed on the card with a ‘wellbeing exemption’ if being in the program would seriously risk your ‘mental, physical or emotional wellbeing’. These are value-laden conditionalities.

3. It is costly Sad

Indue Ltd, is the Australian company that runs the program that costs the federal government $10,000 per year per recipient for administrative costs. This amounted to a total cost of the existing trials of $18.9 million and is consistent with the government’s privatisation and marketisation agenda.

4. It is ineffective Sad

Based on information from the recent $2 million government-commissioned University of Adelaide report, the program is not an effective nor a comprehensive control of drug, alcohol and gambling abuse in the Goldfields region of WA. Evaluations of other sites conducted over the last few years of the trials suggest similar results.

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