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Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card
Reply #30 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 1:20pm

To the best of my knowledge such a card would need to be given to ALL welfare recipients - and NOT only the BLACK ones, with discrimination based in race being illegal ?

I am a (new) Aged Pensioner living in Victoria, on a small rural property - so I assume I'LL be issued with a "bludgers card" to buy food at the Coles Supermarket, as well ?

And how would a white Australian on a DSP go, living in Alice Springs go ?

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14213 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card Reply #31 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 1:29pm whiteknight wrote on Jan 17^th, 2025 at 7:18am: The cashless welfare card idea belongs in the rubbish bin. Dutton is yet to declare his position on Rob-O-Debt
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Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card
Reply #32 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 2:26pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 1:20pm:

To the best of my knowledge such a card would need to be given to ALL welfare recipients - and NOT only the BLACK ones, with discrimination based in race being illegal ?

I am a (new) Aged Pensioner living in Victoria, on a small rural property - so I assume I'LL be issued with a "bludgers card" to buy food at the Coles Supermarket, as well ?

And how would a white Australian on a DSP go, living in Alice Springs go ?

I'm a pensioner = not in receipt of any 'welfare' - I receive my due .... and deserve more...

Those with clear issues about handling their money should be placed under control - though I object to the cost handout to some old mate to implement it and run it - what do we already pay all those Colonel C'Link employees for?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49380 At my desk.	Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card Reply #33 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 7:09pm You are on government handouts Grapps. That's pretty much the definition of welfare.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106527 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card Reply #34 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 7:13pm freediver wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 7:09pm: You are on government handouts Grapps. That's pretty much the definition of welfare. A pensioner said to me once - well - I've gotta get some of my tax back.
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 85213 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card Reply #35 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 8:20pm freediver wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 7:09pm: You are on government handouts Grapps. That's pretty much the definition of welfare. An earned right is not welfare in the sense that some seek to exploit that term.
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Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card
Reply #36 - Jan 19^th, 2025 at 9:22pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 8:20pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 7:09pm:

You are on government handouts Grapps. That's pretty much the definition of welfare.

An earned right is not welfare in the sense that some seek to exploit that term.

If it was a right you would not have to earn it.

It's a handout.

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Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card
Reply #37 - Jan 20^th, 2025 at 7:25am

freediver wrote on Jan 18^th, 2025 at 11:53am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2025 at 11:23am:

freediver wrote on Jan 18^th, 2025 at 10:51am:

John, none of the four points listed in the SMH article are a failure of the intended purpose.

What SMH article? Are you referring to the Sydney Uni article?

Yeah, that one. Very politically charged. But no insight beyond saying the cashless welfare card failed because it is a cashless welfare card, which we oppose on principle.

It gave you reasons on why it failed, as well as citing the adelaide uni study. If you didn't like that one I gave you two other links to studies on the subject

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75087 Gender:	Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card Reply #38 - Jan 20^th, 2025 at 7:26am Gnads wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 11:57am: 3 links to woke arsed Universities as opposed to your dumb opinion based on nothing
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Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card
Reply #39 - Jan 20^th, 2025 at 8:20am

whiteknight wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 1:06pm:

Four reasons why the cashless 'welfare' card trial must stop Sad

14 December 2020 University Of Sydney.
It is anti-welfare, punitive, costly and ineffective
Associate Professor Ruth Phillips argues against a program that limits what people can buy with welfare payments.

D'oh!

That IS the point of it.

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Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card
Reply #40 - Jan 20^th, 2025 at 9:33am

freediver wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 9:22pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 8:20pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 7:09pm:

You are on government handouts Grapps. That's pretty much the definition of welfare.

An earned right is not welfare in the sense that some seek to exploit that term.

If it was a right you would not have to earn it.

It's a handout.

It's been earned, paid for in advance, and is therefore a Right. Wink

It's not a handout at the discretion of the Overlord.... you and quite a few others need to divest yourselves of the idea that those in government actually control the people totally at their whim. If that were the case - a government could simply take Mt Warning from The People and hand it over to a pet set with no real identification with it, and who are incapable of comprehending the meaning and shared usage of National park, just like that same government fails in its duty to The People. THAT's why it is a Perpetual Civil War between people and government... government forever seeks to impose its will without let - the people constantly strive to prevent and preclude such vile intervention, invasion and imposition.... to 'take back the farm/asylum from the lunatics'.

The Perpetual Civil War Between People and Government - Professor Grappler...

Upward Mobility in Democratic Rights, Phase IV - Resolving whether or not Elected Government Possesses Divine Right - Professor Grappler.

Get on the side of The Gods.... completely!

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Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card
Reply #41 - Jan 20^th, 2025 at 9:42am

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2025 at 7:25am:

freediver wrote on Jan 18^th, 2025 at 11:53am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2025 at 11:23am:

freediver wrote on Jan 18^th, 2025 at 10:51am:

John, none of the four points listed in the SMH article are a failure of the intended purpose.

What SMH article? Are you referring to the Sydney Uni article?

Yeah, that one. Very politically charged. But no insight beyond saying the cashless welfare card failed because it is a cashless welfare card, which we oppose on principle.

It gave you reasons on why it failed, as well as citing the adelaide uni study. If you didn't like that one I gave you two other links to studies on the subject

You have already proven that you do not even know where to begin when it comes to "evidence of failure". I do not need to go looking for more proof. You appear to think that you ideological objection to it, and your ability to google other people on the internet who agree with you, is evidence of some kind of failure.

You claimed that several studies proved it failed, but just because it somehow made it onto a university website does not make it a study, does not mean there is any evidence in support of it, and does not mean they had a rational yardstick for success. You should have been able to figure this out yourself from the URL:

https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2020/12/14/four-reasons-why-the-cashless--welfare--card-trial-must-stop.ht
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That sort of BS undermines the integrity of our Universities.

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Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card
Reply #42 - Jan 20^th, 2025 at 10:13am

freediver wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 11:58am:

John Smith has conclusively proven that the cards failed to turn them into white people.

So targeting Indiginous people with income management is all about turning them into White Peoiple according to your racist bullshit analogy....Why am I not suprised you ignore the harm and celebrate Aboriginal people being treated differently from other Australian's on welfare....Arsehole!!!

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Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card
Reply #43 - Jan 20^th, 2025 at 10:36am

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2025 at 10:13am:

freediver wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 11:58am:

John Smith has conclusively proven that the cards failed to turn them into white people.

So targeting Indiginous people with income management is all about turning them into White Peoiple according to your racist bullshit analogy....Why am I not suprised you ignore the harm and celebrate Aboriginal people being treated differently from other Australian's on welfare....Arsehole!!!

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You are confused Phil.

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Re: Dutton To Reintroduce Cashless Welfare Card
Reply #44 - Jan 20^th, 2025 at 10:38am

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2025 at 10:36am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2025 at 10:13am:

freediver wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 11:58am:

John Smith has conclusively proven that the cards failed to turn them into white people.

So targeting Indiginous people with income management is all about turning them into White Peoiple according to your racist bullshit analogy....Why am I not suprised you ignore the harm and celebrate Aboriginal people being treated differently from other Australian's on welfare....Arsehole!!!

Roll Eyes

You are confused Phil.

No....You are a racist arsehole!!!

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