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Is George Soros a oligarch?
Jan 18th, 2025 at 2:16pm
 
Biden has warned of oligarchs taking over the country just after awarding George Soros the Presidential medal of freedom.

Some facts about Soros.

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George Soros (born August 12, 1930, Budapest, Hungary) is a Hungarian-born American financier, author, philanthropist, and activist whose success as an investor made him one of the wealthiest men in the world. He is also known as a powerful and influential supporter of liberal social causes.


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In December 2002 a French court convicted Soros of insider trading for a 1988 stock deal involving financial services company Société Générale, and he was fined €2.2 million ($2.9 million). Soros appealed the ruling, but it was upheld by the Cour de Cassation (France’s highest court) in 2006. Facing new federal regulations concerning hedge funds, Soros announced in July 2011 that the Quantum Endowment Fund would no longer manage the money of outside investors. Instead, it would only handle the assets of Soros and his family.


It seems strange to award a medal to someone you have just warned the people about.

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Reply #1 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 4:06pm
 
Hard to say, Leroy. Does Hillary use a private email server?
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Reply #2 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 4:39pm
 
It depends on whether you’re after the echo chamber answer or the real one.

I’ll give you as close to a real response as I can.

The short answer is no, George Soros is not an oligarch, though there is some overlap.

An "oligarch" typically describes someone who wields disproportionate power and influence, often through wealth and connections, to significantly shape political, economic, or societal systems. While Soros doesn’t fit the traditional definition—most famously associated with post-Soviet elites, there are traits that make the comparison tempting.

His vast wealth, political influence, and global reach undoubtedly mirror the hallmarks of an oligarch.

However, his commitment to transparency, focus on democratic values, lack of direct political control, and his philanthropic priorities don’t align with the standard oligarch archetype. On that basis, no, he isn’t an oligarch in any meaningful sense.

The echo chamber, however, would have you believe otherwise. There, he’s unequivocally an oligarch: a figure of unchecked wealth and power, advancing a globalist agenda, entangled with Clinton connections, and perpetually embroiled in dark conspiracies.

Go full MAGA, and the narrative escalates. Soros transforms into something far worse than an oligarch, he’s recast as evil incarnate, a global puppet master, the hidden force behind politicians, and the infamous purveyor of adrenochrome conspiracies.

As we lurch into yet another era of post-truth politics, you’re welcome to reject reality and opt for MAGA’s alternative facts if you prefer.

The choice is yours.
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Reply #3 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 4:50pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 4:39pm:
It depends on whether you’re after the echo chamber answer or the real one.

I’ll give you as close to a real response as I can.

The short answer is no, George Soros is not an oligarch, though there is some overlap.

An "oligarch" typically describes someone who wields disproportionate power and influence, often through wealth and connections, to significantly shape political, economic, or societal systems. While Soros doesn’t fit the traditional definition—most famously associated with post-Soviet elites, there are traits that make the comparison tempting.

His vast wealth, political influence, and global reach undoubtedly mirror the hallmarks of an oligarch.

However, his commitment to transparency, focus on democratic values, lack of direct political control, and his philanthropic priorities don’t align with the standard oligarch archetype. On that basis, no, he isn’t an oligarch in any meaningful sense.

The echo chamber, however, would have you believe otherwise. There, he’s unequivocally an oligarch: a figure of unchecked wealth and power, advancing a globalist agenda, entangled with Clinton connections, and perpetually embroiled in dark conspiracies.

Go full MAGA, and the narrative escalates. Soros transforms into something far worse than an oligarch, he’s recast as evil incarnate, a global puppet master, the hidden force behind politicians, and the infamous purveyor of adrenochrome conspiracies.

As we lurch into yet another era of post-truth politics, you’re welcome to reject reality and opt for MAGA’s alternative facts if you prefer.

The choice is yours.

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New George Soros-backed, Democratic PAC aims to turn Texas blue

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/12/texas-majority-pac-george-soros-democrats-fundraising/


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Nonprofit financed by billionaire George Soros quietly donated $140 million to political causes in 2021

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/04/nonprofit-financed-by-billionaire-george-soros-donated-140-million-to-political-groups-in-2021.html


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George Soros’ quiet overhaul of the U.S. justice system

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/george-soros-criminal-justice-reform-227519


Soros has pumped billions into politics and shaped policies all over the world.
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Reply #4 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:06pm
 
Oh look, Leroy's Googled headlines again.

Why don't you open up one of your articles and have a read, Leroy? Show us how many of those donations went to Republicans.
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Reply #5 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:31pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:06pm:
Oh look, Leroy's Googled headlines again.

Why don't you open up one of your articles and have a read, Leroy? Show us how many of those donations went to Republicans.


What difference does it make if he donating to republicans or democrats.

The topic is if Soros is a oligarch not if hes a republican or democrat.
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Reply #6 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:52pm
 
Leroy wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:31pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:06pm:
Oh look, Leroy's Googled headlines again.

Why don't you open up one of your articles and have a read, Leroy? Show us how many of those donations went to Republicans.


What difference does it make if he donating to republicans or democrats.

The topic is if Soros is a oligarch not if hes a republican or democrat.


An oligarch is, by definition, connected to an autocrat. If there are political choices, it's not an oligopoly.

Some may even call it democracy.

You?
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Reply #7 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:57pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:52pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:31pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:06pm:
Oh look, Leroy's Googled headlines again.

Why don't you open up one of your articles and have a read, Leroy? Show us how many of those donations went to Republicans.


What difference does it make if he donating to republicans or democrats.

The topic is if Soros is a oligarch not if hes a republican or democrat.


An oligarch is, by definition, connected to an autocrat.

You?


Not at all. You are just make it up as you go, paki, hoping for 10 rupee.

Sad.

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Reply #8 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:59pm
 
George Soros and Sons are SPECULATORS.

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Reply #9 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 6:02pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:52pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:31pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 5:06pm:
Oh look, Leroy's Googled headlines again.

Why don't you open up one of your articles and have a read, Leroy? Show us how many of those donations went to Republicans.


What difference does it make if he donating to republicans or democrats.

The topic is if Soros is a oligarch not if hes a republican or democrat.


An oligarch is, by definition, connected to an autocrat. If there are political choices, it's not an oligopoly.

Some may even call it democracy.

You?


Me, I'm just trying to work out who the oligarchs are.
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Reply #10 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 6:43pm
 
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Is George Soros a oligarch?


It is possible but I have insufficient data to really judge either way.

I think that it is clearly shown that there are several on the right who meet the criteria, like Musk for instance. He has clearly benefited from his political actions.
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Reply #11 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 6:49pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 6:43pm:
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Is George Soros a oligarch?


It is possible but I have insufficient data to really judge either way.

I think that it is clearly shown that there are several on the right who meet the criteria, like Musk for instance. He has clearly benefited from his political actions.

How do you know Musk is but don't know is Soros is, mindless waddling d***wit?

This is what I love about OzPol- morons like you self-disclose.

Amazing.

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Reply #12 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 6:53pm
 
Leroy wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 4:50pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 4:39pm:
It depends on whether you’re after the echo chamber answer or the real one.

I’ll give you as close to a real response as I can.

The short answer is no, George Soros is not an oligarch, though there is some overlap.

An "oligarch" typically describes someone who wields disproportionate power and influence, often through wealth and connections, to significantly shape political, economic, or societal systems. While Soros doesn’t fit the traditional definition—most famously associated with post-Soviet elites, there are traits that make the comparison tempting.

His vast wealth, political influence, and global reach undoubtedly mirror the hallmarks of an oligarch.

However, his commitment to transparency, focus on democratic values, lack of direct political control, and his philanthropic priorities don’t align with the standard oligarch archetype. On that basis, no, he isn’t an oligarch in any meaningful sense.

The echo chamber, however, would have you believe otherwise. There, he’s unequivocally an oligarch: a figure of unchecked wealth and power, advancing a globalist agenda, entangled with Clinton connections, and perpetually embroiled in dark conspiracies.

Go full MAGA, and the narrative escalates. Soros transforms into something far worse than an oligarch, he’s recast as evil incarnate, a global puppet master, the hidden force behind politicians, and the infamous purveyor of adrenochrome conspiracies.

As we lurch into yet another era of post-truth politics, you’re welcome to reject reality and opt for MAGA’s alternative facts if you prefer.

The choice is yours.

Quote:
New George Soros-backed, Democratic PAC aims to turn Texas blue

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/12/texas-majority-pac-george-soros-democrats-fundraising/


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Nonprofit financed by billionaire George Soros quietly donated $140 million to political causes in 2021

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/04/nonprofit-financed-by-billionaire-george-soros-donated-140-million-to-political-groups-in-2021.html


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George Soros’ quiet overhaul of the U.S. justice system

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/george-soros-criminal-justice-reform-227519


Soros has pumped billions into politics and shaped policies all over the world.


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Soros has pumped billions into politics and shaped policies all over the world


Yes this is true - Soros is an individual who has significant influence in democrat politics. This would qualify Soros in one leg of the requirement to be an Oligarch. The definition I prefer is the two barrel one where the required is to have influence and to amass wealth due to this influence. Your argument lacks the second requirement. Some definitions don't stress this approach.

In fact Soros does not only not show an obvious profit driver under the democrats but he in fact does financially better under the republicans. He clearly benefited under the Trump tax cuts for the wealthy and will do so again.
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Reply #13 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 6:54pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 6:43pm:
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Is George Soros a oligarch?


It is possible but I have insufficient data to really judge either way.

I think that it is clearly shown that there are several on the right who meet the criteria, like Musk for instance. He has clearly benefited from his political actions.


Any insights as to what he did to gain what benefit.
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Reply #14 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 6:55pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 6:53pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 4:50pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 4:39pm:
It depends on whether you’re after the echo chamber answer or the real one.

I’ll give you as close to a real response as I can.

The short answer is no, George Soros is not an oligarch, though there is some overlap.

An "oligarch" typically describes someone who wields disproportionate power and influence, often through wealth and connections, to significantly shape political, economic, or societal systems. While Soros doesn’t fit the traditional definition—most famously associated with post-Soviet elites, there are traits that make the comparison tempting.

His vast wealth, political influence, and global reach undoubtedly mirror the hallmarks of an oligarch.

However, his commitment to transparency, focus on democratic values, lack of direct political control, and his philanthropic priorities don’t align with the standard oligarch archetype. On that basis, no, he isn’t an oligarch in any meaningful sense.

The echo chamber, however, would have you believe otherwise. There, he’s unequivocally an oligarch: a figure of unchecked wealth and power, advancing a globalist agenda, entangled with Clinton connections, and perpetually embroiled in dark conspiracies.

Go full MAGA, and the narrative escalates. Soros transforms into something far worse than an oligarch, he’s recast as evil incarnate, a global puppet master, the hidden force behind politicians, and the infamous purveyor of adrenochrome conspiracies.

As we lurch into yet another era of post-truth politics, you’re welcome to reject reality and opt for MAGA’s alternative facts if you prefer.

The choice is yours.

Quote:
New George Soros-backed, Democratic PAC aims to turn Texas blue

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/12/texas-majority-pac-george-soros-democrats-fundraising/


Quote:
Nonprofit financed by billionaire George Soros quietly donated $140 million to political causes in 2021

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/04/nonprofit-financed-by-billionaire-george-soros-donated-140-million-to-political-groups-in-2021.html


Quote:
George Soros’ quiet overhaul of the U.S. justice system

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/george-soros-criminal-justice-reform-227519


Soros has pumped billions into politics and shaped policies all over the world.


Quote:
Soros has pumped billions into politics and shaped policies all over the world


Yes this is true - Soros is an individual who has significant influence in democrat politics. This would qualify Soros in one leg of the requirement to be an Oligarch. The definition I prefer is the two barrel one where the required is to have influence and to amass wealth due to this influence. Your argument lacks the second requirement. Some definitions don't stress this approach.

In fact Soros does not only not show an obvious profit driver under the democrats but he in fact does financially better under the republicans. He clearly benefited under the Trump tax cuts for the wealthy and will do so again.


What tax gains did he make under Trump?.

Also Karnal said that Soros donated to the republicans.
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