Cultural hyper-sensitivity to all things and symbols Nazi is a Western phenomenon, not least because Nazism is a grievous insult to our shared European cultural values - i.e. how could the land of Bach, Beethoven and Europe's most enlightened thinkers have stooped so low? Nazism destroyed Europeans' presumption of moral and cultural superiority.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 9:41am:


If this action was taken in a vacuum, I'd tend to agree, but stand back and stand by.

Trump and his associates have been arm and arm with these people, pandering to them even.

There is a long history here that can't be ignored, unless you choose to because the truth is to difficult to accept.

Let's be frank for a moment (not the dickhead here on the forum, the other kind of Frank).

What Elon did was a Nazi Salute.

It just was.

Is that what he meant?

That I don't know.

He is an incredibly uncharismatic and awkward man.  He may have undergone gender-affirming treatment to improve his masculinity and have Billions of dollars behind him, but he's still a socially awkward, foolish idiot.

It's easy to get swept up in the moment, especially in victory, and do something stupid.

But here’s the uncomfortable truth for some: he did it.

No amount of mental gymnastics or pseudo-intellectual geometry can erase the physical motion he chose to make. Stop pretending otherwise. Get help.

And let’s not confuse the issue, context and intention do matter. Personally, I don’t think Elon Musk consciously meant to project Nazism in that moment. But the fact remains: that is what he did.

Was it some sort of bizarre muscle memory? Highly doubtful. Was it pure idiocy? More likely. But this desperate parade of excuses, this laughable attempt to deny what plainly occurred, is embarrassing.

Here’s a challenge for those falling over themselves to defend him: if you truly believe it wasn’t a Nazi salute, start using that gesture yourself.

At your child’s next parent-teacher night, introduce yourself with the same motion.
When giving a work presentation, begin by mimicking the gesture.
If it’s so innocent, so misunderstood, you should have no problem adopting it into your daily life.

What’s that? Uncomfortable? Good. Now, stop making excuses for what he did.

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 9:43am:


Phil whatever the MAGA are you need to step back and look at yourself. You sound like a grumpy old man who just can't come to terms with the world. It doesn't matter what Frank or anyone else says you are what your actions are. I really thought you were one that was a bit more sound. Show your wife what you are posting and take some good advice.

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 10:30am:


Fwank is a fat useless turd who has no problem abusing other posters which you ignore....Take a look at yourself and the dickheads you support arsehole....Fwank posts bullshit and you defend his crap....I have never found you credible and your ignorance of the truth confirms my scepticism....Remain stupid ya hypocritical arsehole!!!

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 10:40am:


God damn Phil, I visit Perth quite often and for some reason thought I could meet up with you, now I would be scared you would knife me.