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Reply #331 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:24pm

KangAnon wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:07pm:

KangAnon wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 4:03pm:

What I have stated, and I cannot speak for others, is that during his speech, he executed a Nazi salute at its conclusion. Not once, but twice.

This is an indisputable fact.

There is nothing more to elaborate upon.

I understand you do not approve of his actions, but you appear trapped in a cycle where, because of his alignment with Trump, you feel compelled to direct your outrage not at him, but at those who dare to call attention to his behaviour.

And so, here we are.

What a pretentious, self-aggrandising load of drivel.

"Let us be clear", eh!

You "understand I do not approve of his actions"... who do you think you are?

Musk did not "execute a Nazi salute" at his "conclusion" or anywhere else - that would mean that he intended to promote and advance Nazi ideology - which he didn't.

Then you are choosing to reject reality and substitute your own.

How MAGA of you.

As I said... you're a shallow-thinking codger...

If you were capable of thinking deeper about it, you'd realise that Musk's being emotionally overwhelmed by a sense of victory is many times more disturbing than how he (awkwardly) expressed it.

It was like it was his US presidential inauguration, something he is constitutionally prohibited from experiencing - 'doomed' only to experience it vicariously.

If ever there was an expression of his expected oligarchical power, that was it.

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Reply #332 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:35pm

I get that people are going to ridicule everything Trump or anyone associated with Trump or anyone who says something good about Trump I get it its a given. No putt required.

But seriously if Musk was a white supremacist they wouldn't be rag tag, they would be super computer savvy with all the latest and greatest hardware and software. They would be organized and well positioned in the community. At some point in time you have to realize your in a echo chamber.

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Reply #333 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:36pm

Read the transcript of Musk's speech...

Not once did he mention Trump by name. He referred to 'the president' once in a softer quickened pace - as if he was begrudgingly acknowledging he wasn't the president.

It was more like the speech he would have given had he won a presidential election, himself.

Yes. This is what victory feels like. Yeah. This was no ordinary victory. This was a fork in the road of human civilization. Okay? There are elections that come and go. Some elections are important, some are not. But this one really mattered. I just want to say thank you for making it happen. Thank you. My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured. Thanks to you. We're going to have safe cities, finally. Safe cities, secure borders, sensible spending, basic stuff. We're going to take Doge to Mars. Can you imagine how awesome it will be to have American astronauts plant the flag on another planet for the first time? Bam. Bam. Yeah. How inspiring would that be?

There's always problems in life. There's this problem, solve that problem, solve that problem. But there need to be things that inspire you. There need to be things that make you glad to wake up in the morning and say, I'm looking forward to the future. I love you guys. Let me tell you, I'm going to work my ass off for you guys. I really will. I really will. Yeah. But I'm super fired up for the future. It's going to be very exciting. As the president said, we're going to have a golden age. It's going to be fantastic. One of the fundamental things, one of the most American values that I love is optimism. This feeling like we're going to make the future good. We're going to make it good. So, man, I can't wait. This is going to be fantastic. So thank you. Thank you again. Yeah, I'm just so excited about the future. Thank you guys. Thank you.

What is he thanking the people for? For guaranteeing his oligarchic power?

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Reply #334 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:47pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Read the transcript of Musk's speech...

Not once did he mention Trump by name. He referred to 'the president' once in a softer quickened pace - as if he was begrudgingly acknowledging he wasn't the president.

It was more like the speech he would have given had he won a presidential election, himself.

Yes. This is what victory feels like. Yeah. This was no ordinary victory. This was a fork in the road of human civilization. Okay? There are elections that come and go. Some elections are important, some are not. But this one really mattered. I just want to say thank you for making it happen. Thank you. My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured. Thanks to you. We're going to have safe cities, finally. Safe cities, secure borders, sensible spending, basic stuff. We're going to take Doge to Mars. Can you imagine how awesome it will be to have American astronauts plant the flag on another planet for the first time? Bam. Bam. Yeah. How inspiring would that be?

There's always problems in life. There's this problem, solve that problem, solve that problem. But there need to be things that inspire you. There need to be things that make you glad to wake up in the morning and say, I'm looking forward to the future. I love you guys. Let me tell you, I'm going to work my ass off for you guys. I really will. I really will. Yeah. But I'm super fired up for the future. It's going to be very exciting. As the president said, we're going to have a golden age. It's going to be fantastic. One of the fundamental things, one of the most American values that I love is optimism. This feeling like we're going to make the future good. We're going to make it good. So, man, I can't wait. This is going to be fantastic. So thank you. Thank you again. Yeah, I'm just so excited about the future. Thank you guys. Thank you.

What is he thanking the people for? For guaranteeing oligarchic power?

You did put the question marks there.

He was thanking the people because with Trump they put a vision to the voters on what they could do to make the country better. The people voted to give them the opportunity to progress with the vision.

oligarchic power I think is just a projection from you, I dont think Elon wants power but he wants to explore space and build rockets, hes rich enough and its actually a benefit for the government to have someone that rich interested in helping the country.

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Re: Elon Musk Gives Nazi Salute
Reply #335 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:51pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:35pm:

if Musk was a white supremacist they wouldn't be rag tag, they would be super computer savvy with all the latest and greatest hardware and software. They would be organized and well positioned in the community.

And if he were promoting Nazi ideology, he wouldn't be researching ways to give the disabled their abilities back, he'd be thinking of promoting euthanasia.

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Reply #336 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:57pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:47pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Read the transcript of Musk's speech...

Not once did he mention Trump by name. He referred to 'the president' once in a softer quickened pace - as if he was begrudgingly acknowledging he wasn't the president.

It was more like the speech he would have given had he won a presidential election, himself.

Yes. This is what victory feels like. Yeah. This was no ordinary victory. This was a fork in the road of human civilization. Okay? There are elections that come and go. Some elections are important, some are not. But this one really mattered. I just want to say thank you for making it happen. Thank you. My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured. Thanks to you. We're going to have safe cities, finally. Safe cities, secure borders, sensible spending, basic stuff. We're going to take Doge to Mars. Can you imagine how awesome it will be to have American astronauts plant the flag on another planet for the first time? Bam. Bam. Yeah. How inspiring would that be?

There's always problems in life. There's this problem, solve that problem, solve that problem. But there need to be things that inspire you. There need to be things that make you glad to wake up in the morning and say, I'm looking forward to the future. I love you guys. Let me tell you, I'm going to work my ass off for you guys. I really will. I really will. Yeah. But I'm super fired up for the future. It's going to be very exciting. As the president said, we're going to have a golden age. It's going to be fantastic. One of the fundamental things, one of the most American values that I love is optimism. This feeling like we're going to make the future good. We're going to make it good. So, man, I can't wait. This is going to be fantastic. So thank you. Thank you again. Yeah, I'm just so excited about the future. Thank you guys. Thank you.

What is he thanking the people for? For guaranteeing oligarchic power?

You did put the question marks there.

He was thanking the people because with Trump they put a vision to the voters on what they could do to make the country better. The people voted to give them the opportunity to progress with the vision.

oligarchic power I think is just a projection from you, I dont think Elon wants power but he wants to explore space and build rockets, hes rich enough and its actually a benefit for the government to have someone that rich interested in helping the country.

I put the question mark after my own question at the bottom. The rest is from the transcript online.

If he was thanking the people for putting Trump back in office, why did he not mention him? Why didn't he say it?

Musk told the people he was feeling victorious. He obliquely referred to Trump in passing once as 'the president'.

This was not a speech in praise of a president, but self-aggrandisement on a biblical scale to an audience of billions.

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Re: Elon Musk Gives Nazi Salute
Reply #337 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:11pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:57pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:47pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Read the transcript of Musk's speech...

Not once did he mention Trump by name. He referred to 'the president' once in a softer quickened pace - as if he was begrudgingly acknowledging he wasn't the president.

It was more like the speech he would have given had he won a presidential election, himself.

Yes. This is what victory feels like. Yeah. This was no ordinary victory. This was a fork in the road of human civilization. Okay? There are elections that come and go. Some elections are important, some are not. But this one really mattered. I just want to say thank you for making it happen. Thank you. My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured. Thanks to you. We're going to have safe cities, finally. Safe cities, secure borders, sensible spending, basic stuff. We're going to take Doge to Mars. Can you imagine how awesome it will be to have American astronauts plant the flag on another planet for the first time? Bam. Bam. Yeah. How inspiring would that be?

There's always problems in life. There's this problem, solve that problem, solve that problem. But there need to be things that inspire you. There need to be things that make you glad to wake up in the morning and say, I'm looking forward to the future. I love you guys. Let me tell you, I'm going to work my ass off for you guys. I really will. I really will. Yeah. But I'm super fired up for the future. It's going to be very exciting. As the president said, we're going to have a golden age. It's going to be fantastic. One of the fundamental things, one of the most American values that I love is optimism. This feeling like we're going to make the future good. We're going to make it good. So, man, I can't wait. This is going to be fantastic. So thank you. Thank you again. Yeah, I'm just so excited about the future. Thank you guys. Thank you.

What is he thanking the people for? For guaranteeing oligarchic power?

You did put the question marks there.

He was thanking the people because with Trump they put a vision to the voters on what they could do to make the country better. The people voted to give them the opportunity to progress with the vision.

oligarchic power I think is just a projection from you, I dont think Elon wants power but he wants to explore space and build rockets, hes rich enough and its actually a benefit for the government to have someone that rich interested in helping the country.

I put the question mark after my own question at the bottom. The rest is from the transcript online.

If he was thanking the people for putting Trump back in office, why did he not mention him? Why didn't he say it?

Musk told the people he was feeling victorious. He obliquely referred to Trump in passing once as 'the president'.

This was not a speech in praise of a president, but self-aggrandisement on a biblical scale to an audience of billions.

I think you are reading too much into that. But hey I get it.

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Reply #338 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:18pm

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 4:43pm:

KangAnon wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 2:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 2:11pm:

KangAnon wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 2:03pm:

Precisely. From the outset, the focus has been on the action Musk took—an action visually identical to a Nazi salute.

His intent is known only to him.

However, to argue that his gesture was anything but indistinguishable from a Nazi salute is both disingenuous and outright nonsense.

Yes, his gesture was the same as that of a Nazi salute

Thank you.

Elon gave a Nazi Salute.

End of discussion.

Just so. Elon gave a Nazi salute - twice - at a a US presidential inauguration.

One of the most choreographed events in the world. Speakers vetted, speeches reviewed, everything rehearsed to a tee. An event broadcast to the entire world, sending out a message of American exceptionalism, freedom, hope, unity and the peaceful transfer of power.

Then and there, Elon paused, steeled himself and trolled out his own message - a Nazi salute.

A bullied South African schoolboy, now a globalist elite, buys his way into the centre of US power. He could have given a peace sign, a thumbs-up or a simple wave to the crowd, but no. He chose to go the way of white nationalist far-right trolls, many outed, shamed and vilified for doing just the same. As a gesture of solidarity, Elon gave a Nazi salute.

I hardly think it's the end of the discussion, Sad. It seems like the start of the most important discussion we'll ever have.

But that's just me.

You are very wacist towards African Americans who are known, like pakis and other excitable types, to be much more ebullient than Scandi Protestants of Scotch Presbyterians.
Respect the différance. It is our strength, after all, différance, no?

Good show, dear boy. You've nearly finished the bottle already.

Time for beddie byes, dear.

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Reply #339 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:23pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:07pm:

KangAnon wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 4:03pm:

What I have stated, and I cannot speak for others, is that during his speech, he executed a Nazi salute at its conclusion. Not once, but twice.

This is an indisputable fact.

There is nothing more to elaborate upon.

I understand you do not approve of his actions, but you appear trapped in a cycle where, because of his alignment with Trump, you feel compelled to direct your outrage not at him, but at those who dare to call attention to his behaviour.

And so, here we are.

What a pretentious, self-aggrandising load of drivel.

"Let us be clear", eh!

You "understand I do not approve of his actions"... who do you think you are?

Musk did not "execute a Nazi salute" at his "conclusion" or anywhere else - that would mean that he intended to promote and advance Nazi ideology - which he didn't.

Of course he did. Elon is now a signed-up, card-carrying Nazi.

If you can't read a Nazi salute, you're living in La La land. Elon did it, and he meant it.

Pick a side, Meister. You're either with them or against them.

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Reply #340 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:24pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:35pm:

I get that people are going to ridicule everything Trump or anyone associated with Trump or anyone who says something good about Trump I get it its a given. No putt required.

But seriously if Musk was a white supremacist they wouldn't be rag tag, they would be super computer savvy with all the latest and greatest hardware and software. They would be organized and well positioned in the community. At some point in time you have to realize your in a echo chamber.

the same people have been focused on trump for 8 years (will now be 12 years).
and they hate the guy
absolutely loathe him

imagine you had a friend who talked about and posted about his/her ex every day, multiple times a day for 8 years (soon to be 12).

as a friend , you would tell them "you have to get over this, this is very unhealthy"

as a friend of gwegs,skippys, caramels, i am reaching out to them and asking them to seek help

what they are doing is destroying their mental stability

start a new business or focus on your relationship and try to progress your life.
dont piss it away worrying about virtue signalling to the ether Cry

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Reply #341 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:25pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:57pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:47pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Read the transcript of Musk's speech...

Not once did he mention Trump by name. He referred to 'the president' once in a softer quickened pace - as if he was begrudgingly acknowledging he wasn't the president.

It was more like the speech he would have given had he won a presidential election, himself.

Yes. This is what victory feels like. Yeah. This was no ordinary victory. This was a fork in the road of human civilization. Okay? There are elections that come and go. Some elections are important, some are not. But this one really mattered. I just want to say thank you for making it happen. Thank you. My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured. Thanks to you. We're going to have safe cities, finally. Safe cities, secure borders, sensible spending, basic stuff. We're going to take Doge to Mars. Can you imagine how awesome it will be to have American astronauts plant the flag on another planet for the first time? Bam. Bam. Yeah. How inspiring would that be?

There's always problems in life. There's this problem, solve that problem, solve that problem. But there need to be things that inspire you. There need to be things that make you glad to wake up in the morning and say, I'm looking forward to the future. I love you guys. Let me tell you, I'm going to work my ass off for you guys. I really will. I really will. Yeah. But I'm super fired up for the future. It's going to be very exciting. As the president said, we're going to have a golden age. It's going to be fantastic. One of the fundamental things, one of the most American values that I love is optimism. This feeling like we're going to make the future good. We're going to make it good. So, man, I can't wait. This is going to be fantastic. So thank you. Thank you again. Yeah, I'm just so excited about the future. Thank you guys. Thank you.

What is he thanking the people for? For guaranteeing oligarchic power?

You did put the question marks there.

He was thanking the people because with Trump they put a vision to the voters on what they could do to make the country better. The people voted to give them the opportunity to progress with the vision.

oligarchic power I think is just a projection from you, I dont think Elon wants power but he wants to explore space and build rockets, hes rich enough and its actually a benefit for the government to have someone that rich interested in helping the country.

I put the question mark after my own question at the bottom. The rest is from the transcript online.

If he was thanking the people for putting Trump back in office, why did he not mention him? Why didn't he say it?

Musk told the people he was feeling victorious. He obliquely referred to Trump in passing once as 'the president'.

This was not a speech in praise of a president, but self-aggrandisement on a biblical scale to an audience of billions.

I think you are reading too much into that. But hey I get it.

How would you define Musk's speech at Trump's post-inauguration?

Did anyone else give a speech as self-serving other than Trump, himself?

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Reply #342 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:25pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:57pm:

I put the question mark after my own question at the bottom. The rest is from the transcript online.

If he was thanking the people for putting Trump back in office, why did he not mention him? Why didn't he say it?

Musk told the people he was feeling victorious. He obliquely referred to Trump in passing once as 'the president'.

This was not a speech in praise of a president, but self-aggrandisement on a biblical scale to an audience of billions.

No it wasn't a speech, it was an introduction onto stage for Elon, have you watched the video?.

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Reply #343 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:27pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:57pm:

I put the question mark after my own question at the bottom. The rest is from the transcript online.

If he was thanking the people for putting Trump back in office, why did he not mention him? Why didn't he say it?

Musk told the people he was feeling victorious. He obliquely referred to Trump in passing once as 'the president'.

This was not a speech in praise of a president, but self-aggrandisement on a biblical scale to an audience of billions.

No it wasn't a speech, it was an introduction onto stage for Elon, have you watched the video?.

Did Elon need a self-introduction?

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Reply #344 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:30pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:27pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:57pm:

I put the question mark after my own question at the bottom. The rest is from the transcript online.

If he was thanking the people for putting Trump back in office, why did he not mention him? Why didn't he say it?

Musk told the people he was feeling victorious. He obliquely referred to Trump in passing once as 'the president'.

This was not a speech in praise of a president, but self-aggrandisement on a biblical scale to an audience of billions.

No it wasn't a speech, it was an introduction onto stage for Elon, have you watched the video?.

Did Elon need a self-introduction?

On the video he is backstage and is called out and he approaches the mike and says what he says then I didn't watch anymore.

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