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Reply #735 - Jan 30^th, 2025 at 5:44pm

KangAnon wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 4:30pm:

What I can't believe is that anyone defending Musk can in good faith say that what he did doesn't look identical to a Nazi Salute.

Like, forget intention etc for a moment. The gesture he made is identical...

Without intentionality, what does it mean for one gesture to be similar to or identical to, another, but not the gesture?

Is a fist raised in victory perceived as 'the Black Power salute' when done at a football match?

Is two arms raised for victory considered 'the Japanese Imperial Military salute'?

Are two fingers raised in defiance or insult a reference to Henry V's longbowmen's taunt to the French in France?

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Reply #736 - Jan 30^th, 2025 at 5:50pm

KangAnon wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 5:16pm:

That's why the title of this thread is 100% accurate.

"Elon Musk Gives Nazi Salute"

No, Musk clarified his intention. The ADL believed him.

A correct title could be "Did Elon Musk Give the Nazi Salute?"

BTW, it was known in '30s and '40s Germany as the Hitler salute as it was a reference to obeisance and submission to Hitler personally.

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Reply #737 - Jan 30^th, 2025 at 5:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 4:18pm:

KangAnon wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 4:15pm:

He did a Nazi Salute... You saw the video.

Are you trying to tell me if you were playing charades and someone made that gesture you'd think it was something else?

And still, no takers for anyone else to post themselves doing the same gesture online...

Not one.

All a bunch of (Nazi-worshipping) cowards.

I mean, I thought Bobbi would at least give it a go, seeing as he has no shame about his white supremacist agenda.

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That you didn't receive a post or a link, doesn't mean no one has done it... It could be that they don't want anyone who knows them to know that they communicate with you.

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Reply #739 - Jan 30^th, 2025 at 6:05pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 5:44pm:

KangAnon wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 4:30pm:

What I can't believe is that anyone defending Musk can in good faith say that what he did doesn't look identical to a Nazi Salute.

Like, forget intention etc for a moment. The gesture he made is identical...

Without intentionality, what does it mean for one gesture to be similar to or identical to, another, but not the gesture?

Is a fist raised in victory perceived as 'the Black Power salute' when done at a football match?

Is two arms raised for victory considered 'the Japanese Imperial Military salute'?

Are two fingers raised in defiance or insult a reference to Henry V's longbowmen's taunt to the French in France?

That would all depend of what each person doing those signals thought of Trump. if they hate Trump NO, if they like or don't have an opinion of Trump then hell yeah.

When cyclists finish a race they always do the black power salute.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13214 Gender:	Re: Elon Musk Gives Nazi Salute Reply #740 - Jan 30^th, 2025 at 6:09pm Leroy wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 6:05pm: When cyclists finish a race they always do the black power salute. As they cross the finish line, they're saluting the advancement by any means necessary of African American descendants of slaves. Yeppp.
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Reply #741 - Jan 30^th, 2025 at 8:03pm

Russell Peters has a bit about crossed-messaging using a single gesture...

He talks of his father's confusion over the Italian-American gestural insult - the tips of the fingers and thumb pressed together and moving in a circular pattern...

"What are they doing?", Peters' father asks in his subcontinental accent, "Why are they asking if I want to eat?".

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13214 Gender:	Re: Elon Musk Gives Nazi Salute Reply #743 - Jan 30^th, 2025 at 8:45pm Yaw, Yore, Your, You're... Sound the same... must be the same, eh!
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Reply #744 - Jan 30^th, 2025 at 9:19pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 8:03pm:

Russell Peters has a bit about crossed-messaging using a single gesture...

He talks of his father's confusion over the Italian-American gestural insult - the tips of the fingers and thumb pressed together and moving in a circular pattern...

"What are they doing?", Peters' father asks in his subcontinental accent, "Why are they asking if I want to eat?".

In the case of the disparate Indian and Italian use of the same gesture in Peters' comedy bit, which culture can lay claim to its naming and primary use?

Neither, of course!

Culture, context and intentionality are crucial in determining what any instance of the gesture's use is signalling. Once that is established, its alternative use in any other culture, context and intentionality is irrelevant.

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Reply #745 - Jan 30^th, 2025 at 10:04pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 5:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 5:18pm:

Did Hitler say it was a Nazi salute?

I think not.

You'd be right about that.

'Nazi' was a, mildly humourous, derisive term for the National Socialist German Workers Party, so it's unlikely Hitler would have called the Roman-cum-Fascist salute, which he appropriated for his own political party, a Nazi salute.

Yes, but do you think he'd stop Sad from going near a primary school with a big bag of lollies?

Why or why not?

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Reply #746 - Jan 30^th, 2025 at 10:10pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 5:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 5:23pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 5:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 4:22pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 30^th, 2025 at 3:40pm:

So you were just commenting in passing that the ADL is funded by donations from the millionaires club with no implied allegations of their doing favours for the big donor antisemites, then?

I didn't mention anything about anyone doing favours for antisemites. Your conclusions are you own.

No, that's the point... you just dropped it into the conversation that the ADL has millionaire donors...

When asked why, you have no answer, as you don't when asked why you accept large cash payments for jobs.

Exactly. Did the Holocaust victims say it was a Nazi salute?

Perhaps Cods should answer that.

PATHETIC, LEFTARDS, JUST PATHETIC !!!

You're damn right Karnal in you Lefties being pathetic.
Nazism was the Jewish Frankenstein that crucified them, for them crucifying Jesus.
What goes around, comes around.

I see. Turns out it was the Jews all along, eh?

Here you go, Meister, we have a winner. The Jews gave the Nazi salute.

Apologies, Elon. The leftards only have themselves to blame, no?

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Reply #747 - Jan 31^st, 2025 at 7:47am

Suspect Accused of Plot to Kill Trump Officials Is Transgender

A Trantifa militant radicalized by @Reddit named Ryan Michael "Riley Jane" English has been federally charged for allegedly trying to kill members of Trump cabinet and/or burn down a conservative think tank.

From Massachusetts, English traveled to the capital on Jan. 27 and used Reddit for inspiration on which "Nazi" cabinet member to target by use of an explosive device or stabbing.

He also allegedly had a short handwritten manifesto stating that he "can't do nothing while nazis kill my sisters."

Mainstream media and social media like BlueSky, Reddit, etc. have spread radicalizing lies about the President and his administration being "Nazis" that must be stopped by any means necessary.

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Reply #748 - Jan 31^st, 2025 at 7:59am

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 7:47am:

Suspect Accused of Plot to Kill Trump Officials Is Transgender

A Trantifa militant radicalized by @Reddit named Ryan Michael "Riley Jane" English has been federally charged for allegedly trying to kill members of Trump cabinet and/or burn down a conservative think tank.

From Massachusetts, English traveled to the capital on Jan. 27 and used Reddit for inspiration on which "Nazi" cabinet member to target by use of an explosive device or stabbing.

He also allegedly had a short handwritten manifesto stating that he "can't do nothing while nazis kill my sisters."

Mainstream media and social media like BlueSky, Reddit, etc. have spread radicalizing lies about the President and his administration being "Nazis" that must be stopped by any means necessary.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GikFiG9bYAAZJTJ?.jpg

So let me get this straght frank,
You will ignore all lies trump says,even going to the trouble to make dumb excuses as to why it isnt a lie, but anybody telling what you deem to be a lie, must be stopped by any means necessary.

Do I have that right?

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 47780 Gender:	Re: Elon Musk Gives Nazi Salute Reply #749 - Jan 31^st, 2025 at 8:29am "Nazi, Nazi, Nazi" Repeat when too much 'wacist, transphobe, Islamophobe, ultra, extreme far right' is barely enough.
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