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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11915 Armidale Gender:	Re: Executive Orders…… Reply #45 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 2:48pm Leroy wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 2:04pm: Your just saying that because she is a woman. You are a sexist. Oh? Did you focus on her gender? I didn't.
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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1545 Gender:	Re: Executive Orders…… Reply #46 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 2:50pm chimera wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 2:48pm: Leroy wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 2:04pm: Your just saying that because she is a woman. You are a sexist. Oh? Did you focus on her gender? I didn't. Oh gender politics now, this is what we need to eradicate.
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Reply #47 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:16pm

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 2:33pm:

Like i said greggy..

There was a REASON why they brought in the 14th

Which i stated above…

I didn’t say that it ACTUALLY SAID THAT…

Is English not your first language to speak?

Ah.

So it says absolutely nothing about "illegal invaders".

It doesn't even hint at them.

However, it does quite clearly say:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Glad we cleared that up.

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Reply #48 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:16pm:

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 2:33pm:

Like i said greggy..

There was a REASON why they brought in the 14th

Which i stated above…

I didn’t say that it ACTUALLY SAID THAT…

Is English not your first language to speak?

Ah.

So it says absolutely nothing about "illegal invaders".

It doesn't even hint at them.

However, it does quite clearly say:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Glad we cleared that up.

Section 1. Purpose. The privilege of United States citizenship is a priceless and profound gift. The Fourteenth Amendment states: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” That provision rightly repudiated the Supreme Court of the United States’s shameful decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393 (1857), which misinterpreted the Constitution as permanently excluding people of African descent from eligibility for United States citizenship solely based on their race.

But the Fourteenth Amendment has never been interpreted to extend citizenship universally to everyone born within the United States. The Fourteenth Amendment has always excluded from birthright citizenship persons who were born in the United States but not “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” Consistent with this understanding, the Congress has further specified through legislation that “a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is a national and citizen of the United States at birth, 8 U.S.C. 1401, generally mirroring the Fourteenth Amendment’s text.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-a...

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those born in the US to a foreign diplomatic officer are not US citizens because they are not subject to US jurisdiction

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139261 Gender:	Re: Executive Orders…… Reply #49 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:30pm Plain English: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11915 Armidale Gender:	Re: Executive Orders…… Reply #50 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:32pm Leroy wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 2:50pm: chimera wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 2:48pm: Leroy wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 2:04pm: Your just saying that because she is a woman. You are a sexist. Oh? Did you focus on her gender? I didn't. Oh gender politics now, this is what we need to eradicate. RUOK?
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Reply #51 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:33pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2025 at 2:32pm:

Hostages? They staged an attempted coup, an insurrection, on the Capitol Building while the Vicr President and other members of Congress were attempting to certify Biden’s win. They attacked Capitol Police, ransacked offices, damaged the building and more. Some of them were armed. They aren’t hostages or victims or patriots. They’re criminals who deserve to be in prison alongside Trump.

The George Floyd Junkie Riots: Blacks across America raped, bashed, killed, burned, looted, destroyed - all against innocent civilians because they had a gripe against a cop and they were too gutless to take on the Police Department directly or the 'Establishment' in power.

The Nerds infiltrate Govt Building: They at least had the balls to go up against a heavily armed Establishment at Capitol Hill and managed to only mess up the paperwork like an end of school muck up day. Some were killed by police at point blank.

You tell me Armchair Politician, which gets the bravery award?

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #52 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:30pm:

Plain English:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Illegals are not ' subject to the jurisdiction thereof' because they are not legally in the country.

'those born in the US to a foreign diplomatic officer with diplomatic immunity are not US citizens because they are not subject to US jurisdiction".

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Reply #53 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:36pm

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:30pm:

Plain English:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Illegals are not ' subject to the jurisdiction thereof' because they are not legally in the country.

Ah.

So if they break the law they cannot be arrested, charged or convicted.

Why not? Because you just said so: "Illegals are not subject to the jurisdiction".

Thanks for clearing that up, old boy.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49510 Gender:	Re: Executive Orders…… Reply #54 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:41pm What a self deluding moron
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139261 Gender:	Re: Executive Orders…… Reply #55 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:41pm Jasin wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:41pm: What a self deluding moron Go easy on Frank - he's old.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49510 Gender:	Re: Executive Orders…… Reply #56 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 3:43pm The troll PECCARY thinks he's witty. Meh nah
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Reply #57 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 4:31pm

Greggy, you asked me what the intended purpose (origin) was for the 14th…

See below 👇

I gave you all the information about it and its intended purpose was..

So im not sure why you are being a front bottom about it 🤔

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 3:27pm:

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 3:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 3:20pm:

Judge blocks Trump's plan to end US birthright citizenship

A federal judge in Seattle has temporarily blocked Donald Trump's attempt to end birthright citizenship in the US.

US District Court Judge John Coughenour called Trump's executive order "blatantly unconstitutional" and issued a restraining order blocking it from going into force after a 25-minute hearing on Thursday.

Lets see what happens…

But it was great to see Trump shine a light on the 14th being used in a way it was not meant to be …

In what way?

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Reply #58 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 4:52pm

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 4:31pm:

Greggy, you asked me what the intended purpose (origin) was for the 14th…

There is nothing in the 14th which mentions the intended purpose.

All I'm doing is quoting text directly from it:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

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Reply #59 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 6:07pm

"Some of the major issues that have arisen about this clause are the extent to which it included Native Americans, its coverage of non-citizens legally present in the United States when they have a child, whether the clause allows revocation of citizenship, and whether the clause applies to illegal immigrants."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu...

Now all you have to do is cite precedent. Wink

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