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Reply #90 - Yesterday at 11:47am

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 11:36am:

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Elon Musk says DOGE will INVESTIGATE people who’ve gained HUGE wealth while working in government: “It’s odd that there are people in the bureaucracy with a salary of a few hundred thousand dollars, but somehow accrue tens of millions in net worth."

I hope this extends to the Republicans too, because I think it's a good idea.

Will he be investigating himself and Trump? They both got rich of the taxpayer too.

You are talking complete rot again.
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Reply #91 - Yesterday at 12:00pm

Frank wrote Yesterday at 11:47am:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 11:36am:

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Elon Musk says DOGE will INVESTIGATE people who’ve gained HUGE wealth while working in government: “It’s odd that there are people in the bureaucracy with a salary of a few hundred thousand dollars, but somehow accrue tens of millions in net worth."

I hope this extends to the Republicans too, because I think it's a good idea.

Will he be investigating himself and Trump? They both got rich of the taxpayer too.

You are talking complete rot again.
Sad.

Did they both not get millions and millions of taxpayer-funded money or concessions for their businesses over the years?

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Reply #92 - Yesterday at 12:05pm

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 12:00pm:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 11:47am:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 11:36am:

Quote:

Elon Musk says DOGE will INVESTIGATE people who’ve gained HUGE wealth while working in government: “It’s odd that there are people in the bureaucracy with a salary of a few hundred thousand dollars, but somehow accrue tens of millions in net worth."

I hope this extends to the Republicans too, because I think it's a good idea.

Will he be investigating himself and Trump? They both got rich of the taxpayer too.

You are talking complete rot again.
Sad.

Did they both not get millions and millions of taxpayer-funded money or concessions for their businesses over the years?

Focus, bozo.

Elon Musk says DOGE will INVESTIGATE people who’ve gained HUGE wealth while working in government: “It’s odd that there are people in the bureaucracy with a salary of a few hundred thousand dollars, but somehow accrue tens of millions in net worth."

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Re: Department of Government Efficiency
Reply #93 - Yesterday at 12:31pm

Frank wrote Yesterday at 12:05pm:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 12:00pm:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 11:47am:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 11:36am:

Quote:

Elon Musk says DOGE will INVESTIGATE people who’ve gained HUGE wealth while working in government: “It’s odd that there are people in the bureaucracy with a salary of a few hundred thousand dollars, but somehow accrue tens of millions in net worth."

I hope this extends to the Republicans too, because I think it's a good idea.

Will he be investigating himself and Trump? They both got rich of the taxpayer too.

You are talking complete rot again.
Sad.

Did they both not get millions and millions of taxpayer-funded money or concessions for their businesses over the years?

Focus, bozo.

Elon Musk says DOGE will INVESTIGATE people who’ve gained HUGE wealth while working in government: “It’s odd that there are people in the bureaucracy with a salary of a few hundred thousand dollars, but somehow accrue tens of millions in net worth."

You're starting to catch on aren't you, bozo.

They're not interested in waste when they benefit...

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Reply #95 - Yesterday at 12:36pm

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 12:31pm:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 12:05pm:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 12:00pm:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 11:47am:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 11:36am:

Quote:

Elon Musk says DOGE will INVESTIGATE people who’ve gained HUGE wealth while working in government: “It’s odd that there are people in the bureaucracy with a salary of a few hundred thousand dollars, but somehow accrue tens of millions in net worth."

I hope this extends to the Republicans too, because I think it's a good idea.

Will he be investigating himself and Trump? They both got rich of the taxpayer too.

You are talking complete rot again.
Sad.

Did they both not get millions and millions of taxpayer-funded money or concessions for their businesses over the years?

Focus, bozo.

Elon Musk says DOGE will INVESTIGATE people who’ve gained HUGE wealth while working in government: “It’s odd that there are people in the bureaucracy with a salary of a few hundred thousand dollars, but somehow accrue tens of millions in net worth."

You're starting to catch on aren't you, bozo.

They're not interested in waste when they benefit...

Neither Trump nor Musk mad ee their money while being governmen tg apparatchiks.

Dont pretend you dont understrand. You are not (exactly) Bbwiyawn or thicko Smitho.

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Re: Department of Government Efficiency
Reply #96 - Yesterday at 12:57pm

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 12:35pm:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 12:00pm:

Did they both not get millions and millions of taxpayer-funded money or concessions for their businesses over the years?

Can you post a link please.

Sure, it's by no means a complete list, but it'll get you started.

Report: U.S. Government Paid Over $2.5 Million To Trump’s Businesses

We’ve Found $16.1 Million in Political and Taxpayer Spending at Trump Properties

And there's some bonus info about foreign governments paying him, but that's a little off topic.

New Congressional Report: Trump Businesses Received $7.8 Million from Foreign Governments During His Presidency

Then of course there are the various public funding, subsidies and tax abatements he recieved in his real estate businesses:

Tax Abatements and Subsidies: The Trump Organization has received substantial government subsidies and tax breaks, which have been integral to its real estate developments. These financial incentives have significantly contributed to the growth of Trump's real estate empire.

Link

Grand Hyatt New York: In the late 1970s, Trump secured a 40-year tax abatement from New York City to redevelop the Commodore Hotel into the Grand Hyatt. This agreement allowed the Trump Organization and its partner to save approximately $56 million over the abatement period.

Link

Riverside South Project: In the 1990s, Trump sought tax abatements and state funding for the Riverside South development in Manhattan. The project received various forms of government support, including public funding for infrastructure improvements.

Link

And we all know about the taxpayer funding Elon has received, it's a big reason why DOGE has been targeting those who have been investigating him and why Trump got rid of the IGs.

Do you need me to link to that too?

Given the bar you and those like you have set after calling what DOGE has investigated as "corruption", the above are also examples of "corruption", so why should they be exempt from investigation?

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Reply #97 - Yesterday at 1:02pm

Frank wrote Yesterday at 12:36pm:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 12:31pm:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 12:05pm:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 12:00pm:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 11:47am:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 11:36am:

Quote:

Elon Musk says DOGE will INVESTIGATE people who’ve gained HUGE wealth while working in government: “It’s odd that there are people in the bureaucracy with a salary of a few hundred thousand dollars, but somehow accrue tens of millions in net worth."

I hope this extends to the Republicans too, because I think it's a good idea.

Will he be investigating himself and Trump? They both got rich of the taxpayer too.

You are talking complete rot again.
Sad.

Did they both not get millions and millions of taxpayer-funded money or concessions for their businesses over the years?

Focus, bozo.

Elon Musk says DOGE will INVESTIGATE people who’ve gained HUGE wealth while working in government: “It’s odd that there are people in the bureaucracy with a salary of a few hundred thousand dollars, but somehow accrue tens of millions in net worth."

You're starting to catch on aren't you, bozo.

They're not interested in waste when they benefit...

Neither Trump nor Musk mad ee their money while being governmen tg apparatchiks.

Dont pretend you dont understrand. You are not (exactly) Bbwiyawn or thicko Smitho.

But aren't you saying, based on what DOGE has been investigating, that even if money is approved by Congress and paid via USAID to projects local and abroad, that's "corruption"?

Unless you want to back down from that, these examples fit the bar you've set for those.

Should they not also be investigated?

Or do you not actually care about what you claim to, this is all a game to you, trying to link anything you don't like to Democrat corruption as an excuse to protect Trump cutting vital services that people need and didn't vote for him to do?

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Reply #98 - Yesterday at 1:07pm

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 12:57pm:

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 12:35pm:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 12:00pm:

Did they both not get millions and millions of taxpayer-funded money or concessions for their businesses over the years?

Can you post a link please.

Sure, it's by no means a complete list, but it'll get you started.

Report: U.S. Government Paid Over $2.5 Million To Trump’s Businesses

We’ve Found $16.1 Million in Political and Taxpayer Spending at Trump Properties

And there's some bonus info about foreign governments paying him, but that's a little off topic.

New Congressional Report: Trump Businesses Received $7.8 Million from Foreign Governments During His Presidency

Then of course there are the various public funding, subsidies and tax abatements he recieved in his real estate businesses:

Tax Abatements and Subsidies: The Trump Organization has received substantial government subsidies and tax breaks, which have been integral to its real estate developments. These financial incentives have significantly contributed to the growth of Trump's real estate empire.

Link

Grand Hyatt New York: In the late 1970s, Trump secured a 40-year tax abatement from New York City to redevelop the Commodore Hotel into the Grand Hyatt. This agreement allowed the Trump Organization and its partner to save approximately $56 million over the abatement period.

Link

Riverside South Project: In the 1990s, Trump sought tax abatements and state funding for the Riverside South development in Manhattan. The project received various forms of government support, including public funding for infrastructure improvements.

Link

And we all know about the taxpayer funding Elon has received, it's a big reason why DOGE has been targeting those who have been investigating him and why Trump got rid of the IGs.

Do you need me to link to that too?

Given the bar you and those like you have set after calling what DOGE has investigated as "corruption", the above are also examples of "corruption", so why should they be exempt from investigation?

The first link I looked at was for services rendered, it is not a grant or a gift it was for using his business services. That is money exchanged for services provided. Every business that does business with the government is not getting handouts, they provide a service.

You are trying to make out Trump was getting hand outs when he was just doing business. A poor attempt in trying to deceive people by trying to confuse business with hand outs.

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Reply #99 - Yesterday at 1:13pm

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 1:07pm:

The first link I looked at was for services rendered, it is not a grant or a gift it was for using his business services. That is money exchanged for services provided

that's what they all do . Start a consultancy service with a family member, authorise your dept to use them and then pay yourself a fortune in fees for services rendered Cheesy

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Re: Department of Government Efficiency
Reply #100 - Yesterday at 1:31pm

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 1:07pm:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 12:57pm:

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 12:35pm:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 12:00pm:

Did they both not get millions and millions of taxpayer-funded money or concessions for their businesses over the years?

Can you post a link please.

Sure, it's by no means a complete list, but it'll get you started.

Report: U.S. Government Paid Over $2.5 Million To Trump’s Businesses

We’ve Found $16.1 Million in Political and Taxpayer Spending at Trump Properties

And there's some bonus info about foreign governments paying him, but that's a little off topic.

New Congressional Report: Trump Businesses Received $7.8 Million from Foreign Governments During His Presidency

Then of course there are the various public funding, subsidies and tax abatements he recieved in his real estate businesses:

Tax Abatements and Subsidies: The Trump Organization has received substantial government subsidies and tax breaks, which have been integral to its real estate developments. These financial incentives have significantly contributed to the growth of Trump's real estate empire.

Link

Grand Hyatt New York: In the late 1970s, Trump secured a 40-year tax abatement from New York City to redevelop the Commodore Hotel into the Grand Hyatt. This agreement allowed the Trump Organization and its partner to save approximately $56 million over the abatement period.

Link

Riverside South Project: In the 1990s, Trump sought tax abatements and state funding for the Riverside South development in Manhattan. The project received various forms of government support, including public funding for infrastructure improvements.

Link

And we all know about the taxpayer funding Elon has received, it's a big reason why DOGE has been targeting those who have been investigating him and why Trump got rid of the IGs.

Do you need me to link to that too?

Given the bar you and those like you have set after calling what DOGE has investigated as "corruption", the above are also examples of "corruption", so why should they be exempt from investigation?

The first link I looked at was for services rendered, it is not a grant or a gift it was for using his business services. That is money exchanged for services provided. Every business that does business with the government is not getting handouts, they provide a service.

You are trying to make out Trump was getting hand outs when he was just doing business. A poor attempt in trying to deceive people by trying to confuse business with hand outs.

Right, so when USAID paid Politico for the services rendered for their POLITICO Pro product, that wasn't corruption then?

Interesting, I mean, we've been telling you and those like you this all along, but you refused to listen.

But once the spotlight moves over to Trump, all of a sudden you understand how services rendered works...

Now let's look back at the rest of what DOGE has "uncovered" and apply the same rules shall we?

It's starting to look like the things those who've been celebrating DOGE investigating has been, *checks notes*, BULLSHIT!

Oh, who knew!?

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Reply #101 - Yesterday at 1:56pm

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 1:31pm:

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 1:07pm:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 12:57pm:

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 12:35pm:

KangAnon wrote Yesterday at 12:00pm:

Did they both not get millions and millions of taxpayer-funded money or concessions for their businesses over the years?

Can you post a link please.

Sure, it's by no means a complete list, but it'll get you started.

Report: U.S. Government Paid Over $2.5 Million To Trump’s Businesses

We’ve Found $16.1 Million in Political and Taxpayer Spending at Trump Properties

And there's some bonus info about foreign governments paying him, but that's a little off topic.

New Congressional Report: Trump Businesses Received $7.8 Million from Foreign Governments During His Presidency

Then of course there are the various public funding, subsidies and tax abatements he recieved in his real estate businesses:

Tax Abatements and Subsidies: The Trump Organization has received substantial government subsidies and tax breaks, which have been integral to its real estate developments. These financial incentives have significantly contributed to the growth of Trump's real estate empire.

Link

Grand Hyatt New York: In the late 1970s, Trump secured a 40-year tax abatement from New York City to redevelop the Commodore Hotel into the Grand Hyatt. This agreement allowed the Trump Organization and its partner to save approximately $56 million over the abatement period.

Link

Riverside South Project: In the 1990s, Trump sought tax abatements and state funding for the Riverside South development in Manhattan. The project received various forms of government support, including public funding for infrastructure improvements.

Link

And we all know about the taxpayer funding Elon has received, it's a big reason why DOGE has been targeting those who have been investigating him and why Trump got rid of the IGs.

Do you need me to link to that too?

Given the bar you and those like you have set after calling what DOGE has investigated as "corruption", the above are also examples of "corruption", so why should they be exempt from investigation?

The first link I looked at was for services rendered, it is not a grant or a gift it was for using his business services. That is money exchanged for services provided. Every business that does business with the government is not getting handouts, they provide a service.

You are trying to make out Trump was getting hand outs when he was just doing business. A poor attempt in trying to deceive people by trying to confuse business with hand outs.

Right, so when USAID paid Politico for the services rendered for their POLITICO Pro product, that wasn't corruption then?

Interesting, I mean, we've been telling you and those like you this all along, but you refused to listen.

But once the spotlight moves over to Trump, all of a sudden you understand how services rendered works...

Now let's look back at the rest of what DOGE has "uncovered" and apply the same rules shall we?

It's starting to look like the things those who've been celebrating DOGE investigating has been, *checks notes*, BULLSHIT!

Oh, who knew!?

No you just don't listen, No one said politico was corruption. Politico was a waste of money, it is not reasonable for the taxpayers to pay for everyone to have a subscription. Its a waste of money, don't you get that.

Some things are corruption and some are just a waste of taxpayer money. Its only you that seems to be stuck on words.

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Reply #102 - Yesterday at 5:36pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 11^th, 2025 at 11:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 11^th, 2025 at 10:48pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 11^th, 2025 at 5:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 11^th, 2025 at 4:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 11^th, 2025 at 12:48pm:

Carl D wrote on Feb 9^th, 2025 at 1:47pm:

So... with all of this "efficiency" and billions of dollars (allegedly) being saved left, right and centre - is anyone prepared to start taking bets on how long it will take for the average working class American (especially Trump's supporters) to start asking "where's our tax cuts?"

Because I'm pretty sure they won't be seeing any.

But, I'm almost certain the rich will get some cuts.

And then... how much longer will it take for those "average working class Americans" to realise they've been duped by Trump and Musk?

meh

its not really about more cash

its about having a prez who likes them and doesnt ignore them as deplorables

thats worth more then any tax cut

I see. So after all that talk of deflation and cost-cutting and making America great again, he didn't really mean it at all.

Turns out it's just about being liked by good old DL.

I'm sure that's worth a few inflationary tariffs, cuts to services and handing the government over to the billionaire donor class, don't you?

DL likes me. I feel better already.

You?

exactly

do you think people would rather get a handout or rather get the feeling their leader has affection for them and is on their side.

She's for 'they them". He's for "you"

the most effective ad of the campaign.

people will not be on your team if they suspect you dislike them.

thats basic social intelligence 101.

you should run a business and you would pick up these basic facts of human behaviour

Alas, dear, my days of running trail rides for the kiddies are done. What we're dealing with here is your social intelligence. You're so farmed you think Stalingrad Solutions, ethnic cleansing and 25% tariffs on Aussie products are good.

A real "win-win", but do you know?

Anyone who mentions win-win in a business deal will get reamed like karnal does at the harris park dunny block.
Win- win is a way of telling them you need them more than they need you which means they will compromise you until they win a bit more.

Tariffs on steel and alloys will hurt us more than the US our dollar is pissweak compared to USD which means it isn't going to hurt a lot for them.
It's Trump way of helping kickstart those industries in the US.

We do have Esafety Karen giving Trumps friend Elon a hard time she has lost every court case against him costing taxpayers millions.
They don't like dictators who are against free speech.

If your DL was interested in kickstarting US industries, why doesn't he listen to anyone in industry?

They're all saying don't be ridiculous with tariffs. They're not a solution, they're a problem.

They'll cost consumers 25% extra. What does the value of the dollar have to do with it?

It's a US tax, you silly old thing. If I thought you could be educated, I'd hold you down and ream you at Gordon's repurposed Harris Park toilet block, but alas.

You're completely incurable, dear. Once you were schooled on what tariff is, you'd forget and start posting the same lies in the next thread, then the next.

The Real Australians are onto you phonies, dear. You're now a danger to us. The biggest threat to our economic security is your DL's trade wars.

Next up's your DL's real wars, and do you know?

That'll be your next meme. Invade the Middle East! You'll say. Let Vlad take Eastern Europe! Let Xi take Taiwan!

All your krap about endless wars will be forgotten. You'll be egging your DL on. Ban them kill them cesterete them!

The time for learning's over, dear. The real threat to us?

You.

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Here’s another department thats just jumped onto the Radar…

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On December 19, 2024, Marc Elias launched Civil Service Strong. The press release calls the firm a coalition of civil society institutions and organizations, including 2.2 million federal government civil servants.

They literally formed this group to go after Donald Trump legally during the second Trump second term.

This is a coalition of the following organizations:

1. American Federation of Government Employees
2. American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees
3. Citizens for Responsible Ethics in Washington
4. Democracy Forward
5. Government Accountability Project
6. National Federation of Federal Employees
7. Project on Government Oversight
8. State Democracy Defenders Fund

Almost every single lawsuit that has been filed against the second Trump administration has come from this group. This group combines democratic state Attorneys General, Norm Eisen, Marc Elias and every single one of the Trump haters from act one.

They also have a website where people can educate themselves about the threats to civil service from the Trump administration.

This is the organization that coordinates all of the lawsuits against the administration.

And it can all be traced back to Marc Elias and Norm Eisen.

Because if it seems like it’s a coordinated hit job, it usually is.

2.2 Million Civil Servants Shocked

There’s nothing the democrats wont do to try and hide their corruption and theft of Tax payers 💰 💰

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Reply #104 - Today at 2:29pm

SerialBrain9 wrote Today at 1:55pm:

Here’s another department thats just jumped onto the Radar…

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On December 19, 2024, Marc Elias launched Civil Service Strong. The press release calls the firm a coalition of civil society institutions and organizations, including 2.2 million federal government civil servants.

They literally formed this group to go after Donald Trump legally during the second Trump second term.

This is a coalition of the following organizations:

1. American Federation of Government Employees
2. American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees
3. Citizens for Responsible Ethics in Washington
4. Democracy Forward
5. Government Accountability Project
6. National Federation of Federal Employees
7. Project on Government Oversight
8. State Democracy Defenders Fund

Almost every single lawsuit that has been filed against the second Trump administration has come from this group. This group combines democratic state Attorneys General, Norm Eisen, Marc Elias and every single one of the Trump haters from act one.

They also have a website where people can educate themselves about the threats to civil service from the Trump administration.

This is the organization that coordinates all of the lawsuits against the administration.

And it can all be traced back to Marc Elias and Norm Eisen.

Because if it seems like it’s a coordinated hit job, it usually is.

Excellent stuff.

You forgot to include a link to their website though.

Here it is: https://www.civilservicestrong.org/

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