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Reply #15 - Yesterday at 9:14am

Belgarion wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 8:41pm:

Much as the Greens are a mob of looneys, I agree with this, at least in the concept. When the Commonwealth of Australia was formed in 1901 one of the founding principles was that education would be compulsory, free and secular. This put us well ahead of most other countries at the time. We have drifted well of this path since them as anyone who has experienced the endless series of notes your children bring home from school demanding money for all sorts of activities will know.

Time to get it back to what it was meant to be.

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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 972 Gender:	Re: Greens $10bn Plan To Make Public Schools Free Reply #16 - Yesterday at 9:33am Nothing like a plan to remove the onus on parents to educate their own children, education is free if you observe your responsibilities to educate your children. Having someone else educate your children is what costs money.
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Reply #17 - Yesterday at 10:28am

Instead of costing taxpayers $10bn with this Greens plan, a better idea would be for taxpayer funds to no longer be distributed to private schools throughout the country, with those funds instead being used in public schools. I have no issue with private schools. If parents wish to have their child(ren) attend a private school, that is their right. But I do have a problem with these private schools charging parents thousands or tens of thousands of dollars a year to attend and then also receiving government funds from taxpayers - including taxpayers who pay fees for their children to attend a public school. Taxpayers should not be subsidising the education of students who attend a private school. If those private schools need extra money, they should increase their fees instead of having taxpayers make up the shortfall.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34896 Gender:	Re: Greens $10bn Plan To Make Public Schools Free Reply #18 - Yesterday at 10:39am The greens are of course a joke Not even a funny one Adam bandt Is a despicable creature I can't see how any decent Prime Minister Would ever do business with him
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26080 Gender:	Re: Greens $10bn Plan To Make Public Schools Free Reply #19 - Yesterday at 10:40am aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 10:39am: The greens are of course a joke Not even a funny one Adam bandt Is a despicable creature I can't see how any decent Prime Minister Would ever do business with him Airbus Albo will, because he has no spine and will do anything to stay in office.
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Reply #20 - Yesterday at 10:42am

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 10:28am:

Instead of costing taxpayers $10bn with this Greens plan, a better idea would be for taxpayer funds to no longer be distributed to private schools throughout the country, with those funds instead being used in public schools. I have no issue with private schools. If parents wish to have their child(ren) attend a private school, that is their right. But I do have a problem with these private schools charging parents thousands or tens of thousands of dollars a year to attend and then also receiving government funds from taxpayers - including taxpayers who pay fees for their children to attend a public school. Taxpayers should not be subsidising the education of students who attend a private school. If those private schools need extra money, they should increase their fees instead of having taxpayers make up the shortfall.

I dont think you realize how much pressure and stress the private schools take away from the public sector. If someone wants to privately educate their children taking responsibilities educating children seriously they have every right to access the same portion of funds from their taxes as everyone else. You don't punishing people for doing the right thing, what kind of society does that.

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Reply #21 - Yesterday at 10:50am

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 10:42am:

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 10:28am:

Instead of costing taxpayers $10bn with this Greens plan, a better idea would be for taxpayer funds to no longer be distributed to private schools throughout the country, with those funds instead being used in public schools. I have no issue with private schools. If parents wish to have their child(ren) attend a private school, that is their right. But I do have a problem with these private schools charging parents thousands or tens of thousands of dollars a year to attend and then also receiving government funds from taxpayers - including taxpayers who pay fees for their children to attend a public school. Taxpayers should not be subsidising the education of students who attend a private school. If those private schools need extra money, they should increase their fees instead of having taxpayers make up the shortfall.

I dont think you realize how much pressure and stress the private schools take away from the public sector. If someone wants to privately educate their children taking responsibilities educating children seriously they have every right to access the same portion of funds from their taxes as everyone else. You don't punishing people for doing the right thing, what kind of society does that.

It's not punishing those parents. How do you come to that conclusion? Private schools are by definition not free - you pay to send your child(ren) there. That's a conscious choice you make - to pay those fees. Taxpayers should not be subsidising your choice. If those private schools cannot fully function on the fees they charge and require taxpayer funds to make up the shortfall, then they should charge higher fees. Taxpayer funds should only be used to fund public schools, simple as that. My wife is a school principal and regularly has students come to school not having had breakfast or missing a meal throughout the day because their parents can't afford it. Anything that can make the cost of living for struggling parents (especially single parents) easier is a good thing and if public schools could be 100% free, then so much the better.

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Reply #22 - Yesterday at 11:20am

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 10:28am:

Instead of costing taxpayers $10bn with this Greens plan, a better idea would be for taxpayer funds to no longer be distributed to private schools throughout the country, with those funds instead being used in public schools. I have no issue with private schools. If parents wish to have their child(ren) attend a private school, that is their right. But I do have a problem with these private schools charging parents thousands or tens of thousands of dollars a year to attend and then also receiving government funds from taxpayers - including taxpayers who pay fees for their children to attend a public school. Taxpayers should not be subsidising the education of students who attend a private school. If those private schools need extra money, they should increase their fees instead of having taxpayers make up the shortfall.

Sounds nice, but in practice the parents who send their kids to these schools are taxpayers too and have a right to share in the money the government spends on education. Also, if government money was stopped, these places would become even more exclusive and elitist than they are already.

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Reply #23 - Yesterday at 11:22am

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 10:50am:

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 10:42am:

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 10:28am:

Instead of costing taxpayers $10bn with this Greens plan, a better idea would be for taxpayer funds to no longer be distributed to private schools throughout the country, with those funds instead being used in public schools. I have no issue with private schools. If parents wish to have their child(ren) attend a private school, that is their right. But I do have a problem with these private schools charging parents thousands or tens of thousands of dollars a year to attend and then also receiving government funds from taxpayers - including taxpayers who pay fees for their children to attend a public school. Taxpayers should not be subsidising the education of students who attend a private school. If those private schools need extra money, they should increase their fees instead of having taxpayers make up the shortfall.

I dont think you realize how much pressure and stress the private schools take away from the public sector. If someone wants to privately educate their children taking responsibilities educating children seriously they have every right to access the same portion of funds from their taxes as everyone else. You don't punishing people for doing the right thing, what kind of society does that.

It's not punishing those parents. How do you come to that conclusion? Private schools are by definition not free - you pay to send your child(ren) there. That's a conscious choice you make - to pay those fees. Taxpayers should not be subsidising your choice. If those private schools cannot fully function on the fees they charge and require taxpayer funds to make up the shortfall, then they should charge higher fees. Taxpayer funds should only be used to fund public schools, simple as that. My wife is a school principal and regularly has students come to school not having had breakfast or missing a meal throughout the day because their parents can't afford it. Anything that can make the cost of living for struggling parents (especially single parents) easier is a good thing and if public schools could be 100% free, then so much the better.

Why should taxpayers "subsidise" one choice and not the other, particularly when taking the load off public schools can save taxpayers money?

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Re: Greens $10bn Plan To Make Public Schools Free
Reply #24 - Yesterday at 11:30am

freediver wrote Yesterday at 11:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 10:50am:

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 10:42am:

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 10:28am:

Instead of costing taxpayers $10bn with this Greens plan, a better idea would be for taxpayer funds to no longer be distributed to private schools throughout the country, with those funds instead being used in public schools. I have no issue with private schools. If parents wish to have their child(ren) attend a private school, that is their right. But I do have a problem with these private schools charging parents thousands or tens of thousands of dollars a year to attend and then also receiving government funds from taxpayers - including taxpayers who pay fees for their children to attend a public school. Taxpayers should not be subsidising the education of students who attend a private school. If those private schools need extra money, they should increase their fees instead of having taxpayers make up the shortfall.

I dont think you realize how much pressure and stress the private schools take away from the public sector. If someone wants to privately educate their children taking responsibilities educating children seriously they have every right to access the same portion of funds from their taxes as everyone else. You don't punishing people for doing the right thing, what kind of society does that.

It's not punishing those parents. How do you come to that conclusion? Private schools are by definition not free - you pay to send your child(ren) there. That's a conscious choice you make - to pay those fees. Taxpayers should not be subsidising your choice. If those private schools cannot fully function on the fees they charge and require taxpayer funds to make up the shortfall, then they should charge higher fees. Taxpayer funds should only be used to fund public schools, simple as that. My wife is a school principal and regularly has students come to school not having had breakfast or missing a meal throughout the day because their parents can't afford it. Anything that can make the cost of living for struggling parents (especially single parents) easier is a good thing and if public schools could be 100% free, then so much the better.

Why should taxpayers "subsidise" one choice and not the other, particularly when taking the load off public schools can save taxpayers money?

Public schools aren't "subsidised". They're funded by taxpayers for the use of everyone, from the poorest to the super rich. Just as public hospitals aren't subsidised - they're funded by taxpayers for use by anyone. By the way, did you know that public school teachers are actually higher paid than private school teachers? Also, sending your child(ren) to a private school does not automatically mean better academic results. In many cases, private schools have achieved similar or worse results than public schools in the same geographic area.

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Re: Greens $10bn Plan To Make Public Schools Free
Reply #25 - Yesterday at 11:39am

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 11:30am:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 11:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 10:50am:

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 10:42am:

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 10:28am:

Instead of costing taxpayers $10bn with this Greens plan, a better idea would be for taxpayer funds to no longer be distributed to private schools throughout the country, with those funds instead being used in public schools. I have no issue with private schools. If parents wish to have their child(ren) attend a private school, that is their right. But I do have a problem with these private schools charging parents thousands or tens of thousands of dollars a year to attend and then also receiving government funds from taxpayers - including taxpayers who pay fees for their children to attend a public school. Taxpayers should not be subsidising the education of students who attend a private school. If those private schools need extra money, they should increase their fees instead of having taxpayers make up the shortfall.

I dont think you realize how much pressure and stress the private schools take away from the public sector. If someone wants to privately educate their children taking responsibilities educating children seriously they have every right to access the same portion of funds from their taxes as everyone else. You don't punishing people for doing the right thing, what kind of society does that.

It's not punishing those parents. How do you come to that conclusion? Private schools are by definition not free - you pay to send your child(ren) there. That's a conscious choice you make - to pay those fees. Taxpayers should not be subsidising your choice. If those private schools cannot fully function on the fees they charge and require taxpayer funds to make up the shortfall, then they should charge higher fees. Taxpayer funds should only be used to fund public schools, simple as that. My wife is a school principal and regularly has students come to school not having had breakfast or missing a meal throughout the day because their parents can't afford it. Anything that can make the cost of living for struggling parents (especially single parents) easier is a good thing and if public schools could be 100% free, then so much the better.

Why should taxpayers "subsidise" one choice and not the other, particularly when taking the load off public schools can save taxpayers money?

Public schools aren't "subsidised". They're funded by taxpayers for the use of everyone, from the poorest to the super rich. Just as public hospitals aren't subsidised - they're funded by taxpayers for use by anyone. By the way, did you know that public school teachers are actually higher paid than private school teachers? Also, sending your child(ren) to a private school does not automatically mean better academic results. In many cases, private schools have achieved similar or worse results than public schools in the same geographic area.

You do realize that your plan would cause a major upheaval of the education system and it will only make it more expensive to educate children.

I don't know if you understand that most private schools are religious based. Private schools are not just for the rich, many communities have private schools to suit their culture.

In fact I'm certain it would be called racist because it would also mean ceasing funding to Islamic schools. And if you are going to make exceptions you will be walking in a minefield.

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Reply #26 - Yesterday at 12:26pm

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 11:30am:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 11:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 10:50am:

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 10:42am:

Armchair_Politician wrote Yesterday at 10:28am:

Instead of costing taxpayers $10bn with this Greens plan, a better idea would be for taxpayer funds to no longer be distributed to private schools throughout the country, with those funds instead being used in public schools. I have no issue with private schools. If parents wish to have their child(ren) attend a private school, that is their right. But I do have a problem with these private schools charging parents thousands or tens of thousands of dollars a year to attend and then also receiving government funds from taxpayers - including taxpayers who pay fees for their children to attend a public school. Taxpayers should not be subsidising the education of students who attend a private school. If those private schools need extra money, they should increase their fees instead of having taxpayers make up the shortfall.

I dont think you realize how much pressure and stress the private schools take away from the public sector. If someone wants to privately educate their children taking responsibilities educating children seriously they have every right to access the same portion of funds from their taxes as everyone else. You don't punishing people for doing the right thing, what kind of society does that.

It's not punishing those parents. How do you come to that conclusion? Private schools are by definition not free - you pay to send your child(ren) there. That's a conscious choice you make - to pay those fees. Taxpayers should not be subsidising your choice. If those private schools cannot fully function on the fees they charge and require taxpayer funds to make up the shortfall, then they should charge higher fees. Taxpayer funds should only be used to fund public schools, simple as that. My wife is a school principal and regularly has students come to school not having had breakfast or missing a meal throughout the day because their parents can't afford it. Anything that can make the cost of living for struggling parents (especially single parents) easier is a good thing and if public schools could be 100% free, then so much the better.

Why should taxpayers "subsidise" one choice and not the other, particularly when taking the load off public schools can save taxpayers money?

Public schools aren't "subsidised". They're funded by taxpayers

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By the way, did you know that public school teachers are actually higher paid than private school teachers?

By how much?

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Reply #27 - Yesterday at 1:56pm

Funding for Private and Public Schools should be fair and proportionate....More students go to public schools yet the private schools receive extra funding....Not suprising a lot of Private Scools are tied to religious institutions???

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Private schools received an extra $10bn funding in Coalition ‘special deals’, study finds

Public schools underfunded by at least $6.5bn a year while non-government schools received transitional funding after Gonski 2.0 reforms

The Morrison government has directed an extra $10bn to private schools since 2018 while public schools are underfunded by at least $6.5bn every year, according to a new report.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/28/private-schools-received-...

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Reply #28 - Yesterday at 2:18pm

philperth2010 wrote Yesterday at 1:56pm:

Funding for Private and Public Schools should be fair and proportionate....More students go to public schools yet the private schools receive extra funding....Not suprising a lot of Private Scools are tied to religious institutions???

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Private schools received an extra $10bn funding in Coalition ‘special deals’, study finds

Public schools underfunded by at least $6.5bn a year while non-government schools received transitional funding after Gonski 2.0 reforms

The Morrison government has directed an extra $10bn to private schools since 2018 while public schools are underfunded by at least $6.5bn every year, according to a new report.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/28/private-schools-received-...

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In February the acting education minister, Stuart Robert, said that since 2013 when the Coalition was elected, federal funding “per student for all schools increased significantly in real terms”.

“Government schools have been the biggest beneficiary of this growth, with commonwealth-per-student funding growing by 64.1% in real terms over the past 10 years compared with 49.8% in non-government schools,” he said.

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