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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1328 Gender:	Re: Greens $10bn Plan To Make Public Schools Free Reply #30 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:03pm Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 2:59pm: Education is all about teaching kids that money is the most important thing in life. That and don't spend more than you earn.
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Reply #31 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:19pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 2:18pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 1:56pm:

Funding for Private and Public Schools should be fair and proportionate....More students go to public schools yet the private schools receive extra funding....Not suprising a lot of Private Scools are tied to religious institutions???

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Private schools received an extra $10bn funding in Coalition ‘special deals’, study finds

Public schools underfunded by at least $6.5bn a year while non-government schools received transitional funding after Gonski 2.0 reforms

The Morrison government has directed an extra $10bn to private schools since 2018 while public schools are underfunded by at least $6.5bn every year, according to a new report.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/28/private-schools-received-...

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In February the acting education minister, Stuart Robert, said that since 2013 when the Coalition was elected, federal funding “per student for all schools increased significantly in real terms”.

“Government schools have been the biggest beneficiary of this growth, with commonwealth-per-student funding growing by 64.1% in real terms over the past 10 years compared with 49.8% in non-government schools,” he said.

Stuart Robert is cherry picking to justify undefunding public schools....The report is non partisan which is why you ignored it to defend the Coalition of cuts!!!

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17964 Gender:	Re: Greens $10bn Plan To Make Public Schools Free Reply #32 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 4:26pm Re: Greens $10bn Plan To Make Public Schools Free philperth2010 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:19pm: The report is non partisan which is why you ignored it to defend the Coalition of cuts!!! And nothing in their proposition is about making it FREEEEE.
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Reply #33 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:39pm

lee wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 4:26pm:

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:19pm:

The report is non partisan which is why you ignored it to defend the Coalition of cuts!!!

And nothing in their proposition is about making it FREEEEE. Wink

I never commented on the Greens policy....Keep deflecting dickhead!!!

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17964 Gender:	Re: Greens $10bn Plan To Make Public Schools Free Reply #34 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:47pm philperth2010 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:39pm: never commented on the Greens policy. And yet that is the thread title. You are such a dickhead.
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Reply #35 - Jan 24^th, 2025 at 8:04am

lee wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:39pm:

never commented on the Greens policy.

And yet that is the thread title. You are such a dickhead. Grin

I look forward to shoving your hypocricy back in your face arsehole....Who gave you the right to decide what people can post....Comments about education are on topic you dickhead....In future does that mean when any topic about the Coalition is posted you are forbiden from commenting on the Greens or Labor policies....You really are a low life dickhead from way back....Stupid is forever and you are very stupid!!!

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Reply #36 - Jan 24^th, 2025 at 10:17am

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:30am:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 10:50am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 10:42am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 10:28am:

Instead of costing taxpayers $10bn with this Greens plan, a better idea would be for taxpayer funds to no longer be distributed to private schools throughout the country, with those funds instead being used in public schools. I have no issue with private schools. If parents wish to have their child(ren) attend a private school, that is their right. But I do have a problem with these private schools charging parents thousands or tens of thousands of dollars a year to attend and then also receiving government funds from taxpayers - including taxpayers who pay fees for their children to attend a public school. Taxpayers should not be subsidising the education of students who attend a private school. If those private schools need extra money, they should increase their fees instead of having taxpayers make up the shortfall.

I dont think you realize how much pressure and stress the private schools take away from the public sector. If someone wants to privately educate their children taking responsibilities educating children seriously they have every right to access the same portion of funds from their taxes as everyone else. You don't punishing people for doing the right thing, what kind of society does that.

It's not punishing those parents. How do you come to that conclusion? Private schools are by definition not free - you pay to send your child(ren) there. That's a conscious choice you make - to pay those fees. Taxpayers should not be subsidising your choice. If those private schools cannot fully function on the fees they charge and require taxpayer funds to make up the shortfall, then they should charge higher fees. Taxpayer funds should only be used to fund public schools, simple as that. My wife is a school principal and regularly has students come to school not having had breakfast or missing a meal throughout the day because their parents can't afford it. Anything that can make the cost of living for struggling parents (especially single parents) easier is a good thing and if public schools could be 100% free, then so much the better.

Why should taxpayers "subsidise" one choice and not the other, particularly when taking the load off public schools can save taxpayers money?

Public schools aren't "subsidised". They're funded by taxpayers for the use of everyone, from the poorest to the super rich. Just as public hospitals aren't subsidised - they're funded by taxpayers for use by anyone. By the way, did you know that public school teachers are actually higher paid than private school teachers? Also, sending your child(ren) to a private school does not automatically mean better academic results. In many cases, private schools have achieved similar or worse results than public schools in the same geographic area.

You do realize that your plan would cause a major upheaval of the education system and it will only make it more expensive to educate children.

I don't know if you understand that most private schools are religious based. Private schools are not just for the rich, many communities have private schools to suit their culture.

In fact I'm certain it would be called racist because it would also mean ceasing funding to Islamic schools. And if you are going to make exceptions you will be walking in a minefield.

Nope, no exceptions, and yes - I am aware that most private schools are religious. That further reinforces my point, actually. The Catholic Church is by no means poor and should not be seeking funding from government for their schools. Just cut all government funding for all private schools and redirect those funds to public schools. You're wrong to claim that doing this would make education more expensive. At least not for children attending public schools, but it will for private schools and if parents want to send their child(ren) there then they need to pay for it.

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Reply #37 - Jan 24^th, 2025 at 11:16am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 10:17am:

Nope, no exceptions, and yes - I am aware that most private schools are religious. That further reinforces my point, actually. The Catholic Church is by no means poor and should not be seeking funding from government for their schools. Just cut all government funding for all private schools and redirect those funds to public schools. You're wrong to claim that doing this would make education more expensive. At least not for children attending public schools, but it will for private schools and if parents want to send their child(ren) there then they need to pay for it.

I don't think you have thought this through, the Australian government spends around $22,000 per student in public schools and they spend about $12,000 per student in private schools.

If you cut the funding to private schools then the fees would be too high for a lot of people so they would then pull their kids out of a school that only gets $12,000 from the government for their child. They will now enrol their child in a public school and this will now cost the government $22,000 for that child, so an extra $10,000. This is going to be on a scale of thousands so the Government will now have to find more money or cut back some services.

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Reply #38 - Jan 24^th, 2025 at 11:56am

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

I look forward to shoving your hypocricy back in your face arsehole...

Of course you are. Grin

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

Who gave you the right to decide what people can post.

Ok So that means you can go off-topic whenever you like. Dickhead.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

.Comments about education are on topic you dickhead

Comments should be about the FREE component of Public Schools or the Greens. So NO, yours were off-topic.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

In future does that mean when any topic about the Coalition is posted you are forbiden from commenting on the Greens or Labor policies.

Can you cite an example? Just for comparison of course. Wink

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

.You really are a low life dickhead from way back..

Oh dear. making judgements on a keyboard chat. Such a keyboard warrior. Grin

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

Stupid is forever and you are very stupid!

And another one. You should really try to get out of the slow lane. Wink

The Guardian? So how long have the Coalition been in opposition?

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Reply #39 - Jan 24^th, 2025 at 12:16pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 11:16am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 10:17am:

Nope, no exceptions, and yes - I am aware that most private schools are religious. That further reinforces my point, actually. The Catholic Church is by no means poor and should not be seeking funding from government for their schools. Just cut all government funding for all private schools and redirect those funds to public schools. You're wrong to claim that doing this would make education more expensive. At least not for children attending public schools, but it will for private schools and if parents want to send their child(ren) there then they need to pay for it.

I don't think you have thought this through, the Australian government spends around $22,000 per student in public schools and they spend about $12,000 per student in private schools.

If you cut the funding to private schools then the fees would be too high for a lot of people so they would then pull their kids out of a school that only gets $12,000 from the government for their child. They will now enrol their child in a public school and this will now cost the government $22,000 for that child, so an extra $10,000. This is going to be on a scale of thousands so the Government will now have to find more money or cut back some services.

There will be some parents who elect to bring their kids to public schools, but I don't think there will be that many. Regardless, by ending all funding for private schools, that money can be redirected to public schools instead, allowing schools to be upgraded, better equipment provided, etc. Also, there are far too many small public schools in NSW. The region in which I live has about a dozen small public schools (K-6) that have fewer than 70 students in them. The state government could see real cost savings by closing those schools and putting those children into larger nearby schools. This would also help alleviate the teacher shortage as well, as extra staff come to the larger schools.

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Reply #40 - Jan 24^th, 2025 at 12:22pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 10:28am:

Instead of costing taxpayers $10bn with this Greens plan, a better idea would be for taxpayer funds to no longer be distributed to private schools throughout the country, with those funds instead being used in public schools. I have no issue with private schools. If parents wish to have their child(ren) attend a private school, that is their right. But I do have a problem with these private schools charging parents thousands or tens of thousands of dollars a year to attend and then also receiving government funds from taxpayers - including taxpayers who pay fees for their children to attend a public school. Taxpayers should not be subsidising the education of students who attend a private school. If those private schools need extra money, they should increase their fees instead of having taxpayers make up the shortfall.

Not often I agree with you on policy but on this one I'm 100% with you.

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Reply #41 - Jan 24^th, 2025 at 12:31pm

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 11:56am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

I look forward to shoving your hypocricy back in your face arsehole...

Of course you are. Grin

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

Who gave you the right to decide what people can post.

Ok So that means you can go off-topic whenever you like. Dickhead.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

.Comments about education are on topic you dickhead

Comments should be about the FREE component of Public Schools or the Greens. So NO, yours were off-topic.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

In future does that mean when any topic about the Coalition is posted you are forbiden from commenting on the Greens or Labor policies.

Can you cite an example? Just for comparison of course. Wink

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

.You really are a low life dickhead from way back..

Oh dear. making judgements on a keyboard chat. Such a keyboard warrior. Grin

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

Stupid is forever and you are very stupid!

And another one. You should really try to get out of the slow lane. Wink

The Guardian? So how long have the Coalition been in opposition?

Your comments are off topic so will be ignored.....You are a dickhead!!!

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Reply #42 - Jan 24^th, 2025 at 12:43pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 12:16pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 11:16am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 10:17am:

Nope, no exceptions, and yes - I am aware that most private schools are religious. That further reinforces my point, actually. The Catholic Church is by no means poor and should not be seeking funding from government for their schools. Just cut all government funding for all private schools and redirect those funds to public schools. You're wrong to claim that doing this would make education more expensive. At least not for children attending public schools, but it will for private schools and if parents want to send their child(ren) there then they need to pay for it.

I don't think you have thought this through, the Australian government spends around $22,000 per student in public schools and they spend about $12,000 per student in private schools.

If you cut the funding to private schools then the fees would be too high for a lot of people so they would then pull their kids out of a school that only gets $12,000 from the government for their child. They will now enrol their child in a public school and this will now cost the government $22,000 for that child, so an extra $10,000. This is going to be on a scale of thousands so the Government will now have to find more money or cut back some services.

There will be some parents who elect to bring their kids to public schools, but I don't think there will be that many. Regardless, by ending all funding for private schools, that money can be redirected to public schools instead, allowing schools to be upgraded, better equipment provided, etc. Also, there are far too many small public schools in NSW. The region in which I live has about a dozen small public schools (K-6) that have fewer than 70 students in them. The state government could see real cost savings by closing those schools and putting those children into larger nearby schools. This would also help alleviate the teacher shortage as well, as extra staff come to the larger schools.

Great idea, so the town loses a teacher from the community and the school gardener, time to move. Local shops lose lunch supplies to school and customers. Much better with big schools so they can build McDonald's next to it. Populations need to be condensed for big markets.

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17964 Gender:	Re: Greens $10bn Plan To Make Public Schools Free Reply #43 - Jan 24^th, 2025 at 1:58pm philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Your comments are off topic so will be ignored.....You are a dickhead!!! Oh good comeback.
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Reply #44 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 8:56am

Leroy wrote on Jan 24^th, 2025 at 12:43pm:

Great idea, so the town loses a teacher from the community and the school gardener, time to move. Local shops lose lunch supplies to school and customers. Much better with big schools so they can build McDonald's next to it. Populations need to be condensed for big markets.

Most small towns already only have just one school. It's the bigger population centers where the cost savings will kick in

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