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Leroy Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 1032 Gender:	Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 10:59pm Supreme court ruling If a person accepts a pardon is considered an admission of guilt. They also lose the right to the 5th amendment. A person can reject the pardon to maintain their innocence and 5th amendment rights.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47747 Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #1 - Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 11:08pm Pardons for Fauci etc were pre-emptive not for non-existent crimes TRumpy would use to take his revenge.
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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #2 - Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 11:26pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 11:08pm:

Pardons for Fauci etc were pre-emptive not for non-existent crimes TRumpy would use to take his revenge.

If they have not committed a crime then what is the pardon for?.

When asked if he would give himself a pardon Biden said, why I havent done anything wrong. Trump was also asked if he would give himself a pardon and he answered , Why I haven't committed a crime.

This is going to be fun to watch seeing as how this has bought up a few things out of left field. especially Fauci, if he accepts the pardon he can be subpoenaed and not have the 5th amendment right and faces criminal charges if he does not answer every question truthfully. This is if Trump is even interested in whats happening.

Lots of stuff coming up from the 2020 election and what dems said about pre emptive pardons when Trump left in 2020.
One in particular who is being offered a pardon by Biden said in 2020 that accepting a pardon is accepting guilt. Be interesting to see if he accepts his.

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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #3 - Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 11:43pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 11:26pm:

If they have not committed a crime then what is the pardon for?.

When asked if he would give himself a pardon Biden said, why I havent done anything wrong. Trump was also asked if he would give himself a pardon and he answered , Why I haven't committed a crime.

This is going to be fun to watch seeing as how this has bought up a few things out of left field. especially Fauci, if he accepts the pardon he can be subpoenaed and not have the 5th amendment right
and faces criminal charges if he does not answer every question truthfully.

This is if Trump is even interested in whats happening.

Lots of stuff coming up from the 2020 election and what dems said about pre emptive pardons when Trump left in 2020.
One in particular who is being offered a pardon by Biden said in 2020 that accepting a pardon is accepting guilt. Be interesting to see if he accepts his.

Interesting.

In a perfect world.....

......expecting that miscreants [even pardoned ones], would tell the truth, under judicial questioning.

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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #4 - Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 11:55pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 11:43pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 11:26pm:

If they have not committed a crime then what is the pardon for?.

When asked if he would give himself a pardon Biden said, why I havent done anything wrong. Trump was also asked if he would give himself a pardon and he answered , Why I haven't committed a crime.

This is going to be fun to watch seeing as how this has bought up a few things out of left field. especially Fauci, if he accepts the pardon he can be subpoenaed and not have the 5th amendment right
and faces criminal charges if he does not answer every question truthfully.

This is if Trump is even interested in whats happening.

Lots of stuff coming up from the 2020 election and what dems said about pre emptive pardons when Trump left in 2020.
One in particular who is being offered a pardon by Biden said in 2020 that accepting a pardon is accepting guilt. Be interesting to see if he accepts his.

Interesting.

In a perfect world.....

......expecting that miscreants [even pardoned ones], would tell the truth, under judicial questioning.

Grin

'Tell him he's dreaming!'

I doubt that Trump is even interested in what Fauci does, but it does give him an ace up his sleeve should it eventuate. Questioning the pardoned ones would put them in a quandry, lie to protect others and risk committing a crime, got a pardon dont care tell all the dems are screwed for decades.

Thats assuming there is anything worth exposing, but it begs the question, why pre emptive pardons when its to protect from a system they have been telling us is blind to politics. We should accept the rule of law, no one is above the law. It seems now its except us, we are above the law.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106063 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #5 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:40am If Fauci is innocent he should welcome a trial where he can clear his name.
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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #6 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:27am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:40am:

If Fauci is innocent he should welcome a trial where he can clear his name.

It's hard to imagine he'd get a fair trial with the amount of misinformation out there.

Especially when you consider that 54% of adults in the US have a literacy below 6th grade level. People who don't have reading skills generally don't have critical thinking skills and they're easily manipulated.

Not only are they a danger to the US Republic, but it's terrifying to think they'd be a part of a jury too.

But they're Trump's favourite kind of person.

Take Bobbi, if he were in a jury he'd have decided Fauci's guilt before the trail even started and would reject any evidence provided that didn't align with that conclusion.

So does that mean the 143 people Trump pardoned in his first term, and the 1500 Jan 6th terrorists were also guilty?

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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #7 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:27am

Leroy wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 11:55pm:

I doubt that Trump is even interested in what Fauci does, but it does give him an ace up his sleeve should it eventuate. Questioning the pardoned ones would put them in a quandry, lie to protect others and risk committing a crime, got a pardon dont care tell all the dems are screwed for decades.

Thats assuming there is anything worth exposing,

but it begs the question, why pre emptive pardons when its to protect from a system they have been telling us is blind to politics.

We should accept the rule of law, no one is above the law. It seems now its except us, we are above the law.

I look at this Joe Biden tactic, more, as method of MISDIRECTION
[......of public attention].

Away from, 'The' Biden family.

e.g.
MISDIRECTION......
Like you will see in a fiction crime drama,
where a murderer will kill multiple, say 6 people.
.....simply in order to hide his/her own direct motive, in killing a particular individual.

i.e.
And in doing so, ...he/she conceals the identity of his/her real intended victim.

JUST LOOK AT......the voluminous number of preemptive presidential pardons. !!!!!

i.e.
And the [many accusations of] Biden family criminality.......

"Nothing to see here. Move on, move on."

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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #8 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:30am

Leroy wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 11:55pm:

Thats assuming there is anything worth exposing, but it begs the question, why pre emptive pardons when its to protect from a system they have been telling us is blind to politics. We should accept the rule of law, no one is above the law. It seems now its except us, we are above the law.

The system is blind to politics, but not the other way around.

In Trump's post truth White House, if science doesn't align with his version of events, out comes the sharpie.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47747 Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #9 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:03am TRUMPY WANTS VENGEANCE! That is why Biden gave Fauci a pre-emptive pardon, protect against persecution dressed up as legal process.
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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #10 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:08am

In the sewer here—a collection of the simplest people—Booby bleats:

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If Fauci is innocent he should welcome a trial where he can clear his name.

A trial with Trumpy appointed judges would not be a fair trial, that wouldn’t be the purpose of any judicial moves against Fauci.

A child could see this, Booby and other simple people can’t.

In Fringe there is a 116 page thread where Booby tries to prove Fauci is guilty. No real evidence to that effect is included in that thread.

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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #11 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:11am

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:08am:

In the sewer here—a collection of the simplest people—Booby bleats:

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If Fauci is innocent he should welcome a trial where he can clear his name.

A trial with Trumpy appointed judges would not be a fair trial, that wouldn’t be the purpose of any judicial moves against Fauci.

A child could see this, Booby and other simple people can’t.

In Fringe there is a 116 page thread where Booby tries to prove Fauci is guilty. No real evidence to that effect is included in that thread.

It's the Fringe, that's expected. What is scary is that he believes it.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47747 Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #12 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:24am Yeah.
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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #13 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:42am

Accepting a pardon is NOT an admission of guilt. This is also the case in the US when you are given a citation by a Police Officer for a traffic infringement - you are asked to sign a form stating you have received it and understand it, but that it is not an admission of any guilt and you can challenge the citation in court if you wish.

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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #14 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:48am

Yadda wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:27am:

I look at this Joe Biden tactic, more, as method of MISDIRECTION
[......of public attention].

Away from, 'The' Biden family.

@01.50 [re all of these 'unprecedented' presidential pardons]
Trump during the election campaign, told America,
THAT HE WOULD GIVE THESE PARDONS [J6].
While [in contrast] Joe Biden, told America,
THAT HE >> WOULD NOT << GIVE PARDONS TO HIS SON [FAMILY].

@02.30 "Biden 'snouts in the trough', for so long....."

Hosts rip Biden for
pardoning family MINUTES before leaving office

08 min
January 21st, 2025

https://old.bitchute.com/video/XluDp1bH_mA/

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Fox News justice correspondent David Spunt provides details on former President Biden and President Trump's controversial pardons on Inauguration Day.

'Outnumbered' co-hosts react.

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