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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #15 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 8:22am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:42am:

Accepting a pardon is NOT an admission of guilt. This is also the case in the US when you are given a citation by a Police Officer for a traffic infringement - you are asked to sign a form stating you have received it and understand it, but that it is not an admission of any guilt and you can challenge the citation in court if you wish.

The supreme court has already ruled on it, you don't have the option of overruling the supreme court.

Democrats also said that if anyone accepts a pardon they accept guilt.

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philperth2010 Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 20494 Perth Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #16 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 8:26am Good to see you accept the Jan 6th insurectionists are guilty as charged....So much for these dickheads being innocent!!!
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Reply #17 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 10:24am

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 8:26am:

Good to see you accept the Jan 6th insurectionists are guilty as charged....So much for these dickheads being innocent!!!

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Its not up to me to accept anything, if they accept a pardon they admit guilt. This is a supreme court ruling, I had nothing to do with it.

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Reply #18 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 10:41am

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 10:24am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 8:26am:

Good to see you accept the Jan 6th insurectionists are guilty as charged....So much for these dickheads being innocent!!!

Smiley

Its not up to me to accept anything, if they accept a pardon they admit guilt. This is a supreme court ruling, I had nothing to do with it.

So they ARE guilty then.

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Reply #19 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 10:55am

Do pardons work if, say, one of those people get extradited to another country to face charges?

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Vladimir Putin is reportedly seeking to have Anthony Fauci EXTRADITED to Russia to face COVID-era ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ Charges as part of a Deal to end the War in Ukraine.

This is just hearsay at the moment - no solid evidence as yet …

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Reply #20 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:00am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 10:41am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 10:24am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 8:26am:

Good to see you accept the Jan 6th insurectionists are guilty as charged....So much for these dickheads being innocent!!!

Smiley

Its not up to me to accept anything, if they accept a pardon they admit guilt. This is a supreme court ruling, I had nothing to do with it.

So they ARE guilty then.

I don't know what you want here, they went to court found guilty and sent to jail. Are you trying to argue that they are not guilty.

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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #21 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:04am

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:00am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 10:41am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 10:24am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 8:26am:

Good to see you accept the Jan 6th insurectionists are guilty as charged....So much for these dickheads being innocent!!!

Smiley

Its not up to me to accept anything, if they accept a pardon they admit guilt. This is a supreme court ruling, I had nothing to do with it.

So they ARE guilty then.

I don't know what you want here, they went to court found guilty and sent to jail. Are you trying to argue that they are not guilty.

I'm saying they don't deserve to be pardoned or have their sentences commuted. They launched an attack on the core of American democracy and should still be in prison. Trump calls them hostages and patriots. They aren't. The truth is they are criminals and traitors who attempted to overthrow the democratically elected government because they weren't happy with the result of the election.

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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #22 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:09am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:40am:

If Fauci is innocent he should welcome a trial where he can clear his name.

It's hard to imagine he'd get a fair trial with the amount of misinformation out there.

Especially when you consider that 54% of adults in the US have a literacy below 6th grade level. People who don't have reading skills generally don't have critical thinking skills and they're easily manipulated.

Not only are they a danger to the US Republic, but it's terrifying to think they'd be a part of a jury too.

But they're Trump's favourite kind of person.

Take Bobbi, if he were in a jury he'd have decided Fauci's guilt before the trail even started and would reject any evidence provided that didn't align with that conclusion.

So does that mean the 143 people Trump pardoned in his first term, and the 1500 Jan 6th terrorists were also guilty?

Then you're saying that no verdict in a court of law is safe?
I'm sure the selection of a jury can account for jurors who are not able to
understand technical subjects or if they might be biased.

Trump pardoned many people who were guilty of something -
however many of them - maybe 99% - just turned up at the capitol and were ushered in by
plain clothed FBI agents as part of a false flag operation.
All they did was walk along and take some pictures with their mobile phones.
That will all come out too before long.

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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #23 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:14am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:04am:

I'm saying they don't deserve to be pardoned or have their sentences commuted. They launched an attack on the core of American democracy and should still be in prison. Trump calls them hostages and patriots. They aren't. The truth is they are criminals and traitors who attempted to overthrow the democratically elected government because they weren't happy with the result of the election.

Some do some don't, Trump thinks the do and he has the say. Thats what the people voted for.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49264 At my desk.	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #24 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:15am Do they have to decide whether to accept the pardon when it is given?
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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1095 Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #25 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:16am freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:15am: Do they have to decide whether to accept the pardon when it is given? Yes to be valid they have to formally accept the pardon, which the supreme court ruled is an admission of guilt.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58894 Here Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #26 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:08pm All the Jan 6th guys were found guilty anyway. Most pled guilty so have already conceded the point. Besides they were on TV at the time. So they have no credible argument otherwise.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58894 Here Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #27 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:09pm freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:15am: Do they have to decide whether to accept the pardon when it is given? I don't think so. They can call on it if charged.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58894 Here Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #28 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:12pm The biden pardons are only meant as protection against the US's criminal President taking unfounded action with his weaponized DOJ.
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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #29 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:15pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:09pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:15am:

Do they have to decide whether to accept the pardon when it is given?

I don't think so. They can call on it if charged.

Listening to a Fouci interview he had discussions months beforehand with Biden regarding a pardon and when it came about his lawyers were contacted by the whitehouse to ask if he wants to accept a pardon.

Normally the pardons are granted after being charged so there has never been a reason to delay them.

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