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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1095 Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #30 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:17pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:12pm: The biden pardons are only meant as protection against the US's criminal President taking unfounded action with his weaponized DOJ. Have you any evidence or examples of weaponization by the DOJ, or have you made that bit up?.
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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #31 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 11:09am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:40am:

If Fauci is innocent he should welcome a trial where he can clear his name.

It's hard to imagine he'd get a fair trial with the amount of misinformation out there.

Especially when you consider that 54% of adults in the US have a literacy below 6th grade level. People who don't have reading skills generally don't have critical thinking skills and they're easily manipulated.

Not only are they a danger to the US Republic, but it's terrifying to think they'd be a part of a jury too.

But they're Trump's favourite kind of person.

Take Bobbi, if he were in a jury he'd have decided Fauci's guilt before the trail even started and would reject any evidence provided that didn't align with that conclusion.

So does that mean the 143 people Trump pardoned in his first term, and the 1500 Jan 6th terrorists were also guilty?

Then you're saying that no verdict in a court of law is safe?

Generally, it has been. But the courts, on all levels, have not in recent times had to face the sort of influence, pressure and control that Trump and his side of politics are trying to exert.

Look at Project 2025. It's calling for Restructuring the Department of Justice, Appointing Ideologically Aligned Judges on all levels, Expanding Presidential Authority and Embedding ideologies in Civil Service.

And that ignores what Trump and the Republicans have already been doing.

It should be something that worried you too. At the moment, with your support of Trump, you're helping to normalise his behaviour, including the abandonment of the Law and seeing revenge.

It's fine when it's your guy, but you'd be crying if it was the next Democrat President.

But that's the way it always goes. Only one side of politics cares about the ideals the US was founded upon, the other just wants to exploit that for personal gain.

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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #32 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 4:00pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:36pm:

Generally, it has been. But the courts, on all levels, have not in recent times had to face the sort of influence, pressure and control that Trump and his side of politics are trying to exert.

Look at Project 2025. It's calling for Restructuring the Department of Justice, Appointing Ideologically Aligned Judges on all levels, Expanding Presidential Authority and Embedding ideologies in Civil Service.

And that ignores what Trump and the Republicans have already been doing.

It should be something that worried you too. At the moment, with your support of Trump, you're helping to normalise his behaviour, including the abandonment of the Law and seeing revenge.

It's fine when it's your guy, but you'd be crying if it was the next Democrat President.

But that's the way it always goes. Only one side of politics cares about the ideals the US was founded upon, the other just wants to exploit that for personal gain.

Dear Mr Sad,
it might help if you quoted my entire text:

here in full:

Then you're saying that no verdict in a court of law is safe?
I'm sure the selection of a jury can account for jurors who are not able to
understand technical subjects or if they might be biased.

Trump pardoned many people who were guilty of something -
however many of them - maybe 99% - just turned up at the capitol and were ushered in by
plain clothed FBI agents as part of a false flag operation.
All they did was walk along and take some pictures with their mobile phones.
That will all come out too before long.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58894 Here Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #33 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:45pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:40am: If Fauci is innocent he should welcome a trial where he can clear his name. Something like 20% of people in prison are innocent. Being innocent is no protection against prison.
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Reply #34 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:51pm

Its like people think that now that Trump is president all judges will be republican and only maga cult members will be selected for jury duty.

Something else I'm not sure about is white supremacists, what do they actually want, I know power is one thing but what are they going to do with that power, bring back slavery, remove all non whites or send them all to Hawaii. What is the thinking here?.

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Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt
Reply #35 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:58pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 6:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 5:40am:

If Fauci is innocent he should welcome a trial where he can clear his name.

Something like 20% of people in prison are innocent. Being innocent is no protection against prison.

I doubt it's 20% Roll Eyes

More like 0.1%

Many people in jail claim they are not guilty of the crime they were imprisoned for
but some do admit they committed worse crimes that they were never charged for.

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Reply #36 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:04pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:17pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 3:12pm:

The biden pardons are only meant as protection against the US's criminal President taking unfounded action with his weaponized DOJ.

Have you any evidence or examples of weaponization by the DOJ, or have you made that bit up?.

Both Trump and his appointees have promised that this is what they intend to do. Biden would have been foolish to have not believed them.

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Sept. 10, 2024,

Over the past two weeks, former President Donald Trump has become increasingly explicit in describing plans to use the Department of Justice to prosecute scores of people he has declared corrupt, if he wins in November.

Last Tuesday, Trump released a book in which he threatened to jail Mark Zuckerberg (Mark has bent over)

Trump vowed to crack down on corruption in health agencies like the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

In a social media post afterward, he threatened to carry out election fraud prosecutions against election clerks, campaign donors and others.

Democratic National Convention, Trump reposted artificial intelligence-generated images of his enemies — including Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates — in orange jumpsuits

special counsel Jack Smith with the statement, “He should be prosecuted for election interference & prosecutorial misconduct.”

Trump posted photos of former President Barack Obama and former Republican Rep. Liz Cheney with text calling for their prosecution

Davis has also said he would “rain hell on Washington, D.C.,” if he became attorney general and would “bring indictments” against President Joe Biden and members of his family, former President Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and George Soros,

“These lawfare Democrats should lawyer up and be prepared for accountability on Jan. 20 at 12:01 p.m.,” Davis said.

Project 2025, a conservative group, has called for slashing the number of career DOJ and FBI officials and replacing them with political appointees who will carry out Trump’s wishes.

https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/trump-vows-prosecute-political-foes-other...

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Reply #37 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:15pm

Trumps vendetta:

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Since 2022, when he began preparing for the presidential campaign, Trump has issued more than 100 threats to investigate, prosecute, imprison or otherwise punish his perceived opponents

interviews and social media posts shows that the former president has repeatedly indicated that he would use federal law enforcement as part of a campaign to exact "retribution."

Vice President Kamala Harris "should be impeached and prosecuted," Trump said at a rally last month.

"I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the United States of America, Joe Biden, and the entire Biden crime family," Trump said last year.

"ELIZABETH LYNNE CHENEY IS GUILTY OF TREASON," reads one post Trump reposted on his social media site, Truth Social, regarding the former Republican congresswoman. "RETRUTH IF YOU WANT TELEVISED MILITARY TRIBUNALS."

When right-wing radio host Glenn Beck asked Trump if he would lock up his opponents in a second term, Trump responded, "The answer is you have no choice because they're doing it to us."

New York Attorney General Letitia James and Judge Arthur Engoron "should be arrested and punished accordingly," Trump said at a rally in January.

Among the other targets of Trump's threats are former President Barack Obama ("RETRUTH IF YOU WANT PUBLIC MILITARY TRIBUNALS"), members of the U.S. Capitol Police who defended the Capitol during the Jan. 6, 2021, riot ("The cops should be charged and the protesters should be freed"), members of the Jan. 6 Select Committee in Congress

In one instance, Trump suggested that Gen. Mark Milley, who served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in his administration, could face execution

"I just know that once he's in office with no guardrails, no reason to worry about reelection, and only the most fervent, loyal people surrounding him," Grisham said, "he will absolutely make sure his enemies pay for what he perceives to be their crimes."

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/21/nx-s1-5134924/trump-election-2024-kamala-harris-e...

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106121 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #38 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:23pm
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58894 Here Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #39 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:26pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:23pm: https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/95/97/25/9597257974805e6041b1ae43dd21147e.p... Most of the far right meetings I have attended were in boardrooms. occasionally another venue like a politicians office.
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Reply #40 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:27pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:15pm:

Trumps vendetta:

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Since 2022, when he began preparing for the presidential campaign, Trump has issued more than 100 threats to investigate, prosecute, imprison or otherwise punish his perceived opponents

interviews and social media posts shows that the former president has repeatedly indicated that he would use federal law enforcement as part of a campaign to exact "retribution."

Vice President Kamala Harris "should be impeached and prosecuted," Trump said at a rally last month.

"I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the United States of America, Joe Biden, and the entire Biden crime family," Trump said last year.

"ELIZABETH LYNNE CHENEY IS GUILTY OF TREASON," reads one post Trump reposted on his social media site, Truth Social, regarding the former Republican congresswoman. "RETRUTH IF YOU WANT TELEVISED MILITARY TRIBUNALS."

When right-wing radio host Glenn Beck asked Trump if he would lock up his opponents in a second term, Trump responded, "The answer is you have no choice because they're doing it to us."

New York Attorney General Letitia James and Judge Arthur Engoron "should be arrested and punished accordingly," Trump said at a rally in January.

Among the other targets of Trump's threats are former President Barack Obama ("RETRUTH IF YOU WANT PUBLIC MILITARY TRIBUNALS"), members of the U.S. Capitol Police who defended the Capitol during the Jan. 6, 2021, riot ("The cops should be charged and the protesters should be freed"), members of the Jan. 6 Select Committee in Congress

In one instance, Trump suggested that Gen. Mark Milley, who served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in his administration, could face execution

"I just know that once he's in office with no guardrails, no reason to worry about reelection, and only the most fervent, loyal people surrounding him," Grisham said, "he will absolutely make sure his enemies pay for what he perceives to be their crimes."

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/21/nx-s1-5134924/trump-election-2024-kamala-harris-e...

You mention Letitia James, her whole political campaign was to go after Trump and put him in jail. She was elected with the intention to jail Trump and stop him from running for president.

Can you believe that, a district attorney publicly announcing she is going to tear a mans life apart until she finds a crime.

You probably have not even heard of Letitia James and would not be aware of what she did.

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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1095 Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #41 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:29pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:23pm: https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/95/97/25/9597257974805e6041b1ae43dd21147e.p... see that tree on the right, FBI agent in there, but don't tell anyone. Stop looking at it you drawing attention.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106121 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #42 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:30pm
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106121 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #43 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:31pm Leroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:29pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:23pm: https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/95/97/25/9597257974805e6041b1ae43dd21147e.p... see that tree on the right, FBI agent in there, but don't tell anyone. Stop looking at it you drawing attention. Trump will fix that.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58894 Here Gender:	Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Reply #44 - Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:42pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2025 at 7:30pm: [url]https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/71/47/7d/71477d175a10291c1215ba0 44192d287.png[/url] All this time and nobody realised that Melania is the Hamburglar. Well I guess all the hints were there a partner named Donald who is a clown.
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