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Reply #15 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:19am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:11am:
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2025 at 8:04am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 2:56pm:
i was on my motorcycle on the 2 lane road in outer suburban brisbane.
a road i ride a lot and where traffic always flows at 80 kph, (the speed limit)

this road has very rough edges and is not easy to pull off.

an ambulance with full lights and sirens comes up behind me and i ease over to let it pass.

this road is a moderately busy road, i might add with a lot of double white lines.

as i get behind this ambulance , he continues to deploy the full sirens

this results in every car in front of him , braking and trying to pull over to let him past.

they have to slow down to about 30 kph to pull over.

as a result, the ambulance is constantly on the brakes,
cars are performing dangerous evasive manouveres
the ambulance is nearly crossing double white lines
he is braking hard and accelerating hard (must be hell if he has a patient)

and the whole journey slows to 40 kph.


if this cretin had just turned off the siren and lights, we could all have doubled our speed.

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That doesn't make sense. If the Ambulance overtakes you, then catches up to the cars further down the road, who did not slow down because they did not see the lights, then the ambulance has made a faster time. So the ambulance must be going faster on average than if it did not have the emergency lights on.

You only need to slow down for a brief period for this to happen. You are not expected to perform any dangerous manoeuvres. You are expected to do it safely, which is why it takes so long for some people to get off the road.




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the ambo would be held up by a car exiting into the gravel grass and sticks (impossible to do at any sort of speed)  i sat in his slipstream.
after clearing that car, he would then IMMEDIATELY come up behind another car having to slow to about 20 kph to get off the road (avoiding driveways with concrete culverts etc)  then he would clear that car to IMMEDIATELY be behind another car trying to exit to the left at slow speed and unable to clear the road.  this is a fairly busy road, not bumper to bumper but the sort of road that flows at 80 kph but a road you have to wait quite a while to pull out on.
my suzuki digital display which usually registers 80 to 85 was stuck around 40.

very bad news for that heart attack victim

i need a dash cam as this has happened several times


You are confused Scoot. If the ambulance had to slow down significantly for one car to pull over, it would not "immediately" come up behind the next car, unless it was bumper to bumper traffic. It would gain some time for each vehicle it overtakes.

Think about it over a long time period. If the ambulance overtakes 200 vehicles, then it is a long way in front of where it would have been if it was 200 vehicles further back. The fact that that 200th vehicle has to slow down a bit to pull over does not outweigh all the time gained by overtaking the previous 199 vehicles.
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Reply #16 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:23am
 
i supopose this road is close to bumper to bumper but does flow at 80.

if you are using assistive cruise control on your car, you would be getting within 3 car lengths most of the time.

if you are trying to pull out of a side street, you will be waiting for maybe 50 cars to go by before you get a small break

if you want to call that bumper to bumper, be my guest

maybe its bumper to bumper travelling at 80 on a road with no safe exit

people trying to pull into their driveways break out in a cold sweat because everyone is up their ass

can you see how (just like cars continually slwoing to pull into their driveway) this reults in a much slower speed

40 kph in fact as opposed to the usual 80.

i know , i ride it most days  Wink
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Reply #17 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:27am
 
your point about overtaking 200 cars putting it a long way in front is only correct if it is travelling at over 80 kph between cars.

it wasnt

people were starting to slow down to try to get off the road and oncoing traffic prevented it crossing the centreline

its not too difficult a concept to uncerstand surely  Roll Eyes
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Reply #18 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:27am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:23am:
can you see how (just like cars continually slwoing to pull into their driveway) this reults in a much slower speed


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Reply #19 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:30am
 
chimera wrote on Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:27am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:23am:
can you see how (just like cars continually slwoing to pull into their driveway) this reults in a much slower speed


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i'm surprised he cant see it

the even MORE dangerous thing about this road (which is lined with 5 acre blocks) is on bin collection day

as the rubbish trucks cant get off the road as the bins are placed immediately adjacent to an 80 kph rd. they very quickly cause a massive line up, all trying to dart around them with oncoming traffic

a very stupid scenario
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Reply #20 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:33am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:27am:
your point about overtaking 200 cars putting it a long way in front is only correct if it is travelling at over 80 kph between cars.


If it didn't, it would not keep overtaking cars, would it?

The reality is somewhere in between your assertion that it immediately gets stuck behind the next car after each one it overtakes, and that it would never catch up to the next car because it cannot go fast enough.
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Reply #21 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:44am
 



here is a video of the very road from a few years ago. it was a bit more congested yesterday.   judge for yourself whether it is flowing and wehther forcing every car to "EXIT STAGE LEFT" would have sped up your journey Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #22 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:45am
 
Your logic makes no sense, no matter how congested the road is.
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Reply #23 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:55am
 
The cars ahead hear the siren and all slow down, in sequence, making the ambulance slow down. 200 times.
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Reply #24 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 10:06am
 
only scoot is dumb enough to think that ambos use sirens because decades of experience have proven them to slow down their travel time Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #25 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 10:08am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2025 at 9:45am:
Your logic makes no sense, no matter how congested the road is.



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Reply #26 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 10:22am
 
So which is it scoot? The ambulance travels slower because it "immediately" encounters another car pulling over after each one it overtakes, or the ambulance travels slower because it never catches up to the next vehicle because the traffic is moving so fast?
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Reply #27 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 10:34am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2025 at 10:22am:
So which is it scoot? The ambulance travels slower because it "immediately" encounters another car pulling over after each one it overtakes, or the ambulance travels slower because it never catches up to the next vehicle because the traffic is moving so fast?



people cruising at 80 to 85 hear the siren and see the ambo coming up 5 cars back. they immediately hit the anchors looking for a safe place to pull off.
because of the prevalence of deep drainage ditches, concrete culverts and driveways, wheelie bins and other paraphenalia, they are taking quite  while to get off.
further up the road some others come to almost a complete stop, such is their panic.

this allows further traffic waiting in side streets to enter the space in front of the unfolding mess, further congesting the road.


my speedo , as i tailgate the ambo slows to 40.
some people only get 1/2 off the road as their car is nearly in the ditch
then people behind them wait for oncoming traffic to clear before dart around them and join in the nonsense

i actually just googled it and the timesaving is an average of 45 seconds per trip.
and since obviously on  a non congested road, they could save a lot of time, on a congested road, they may be going slower bringing down this average to such a mediocre saving
and a 50 % increase in crashes.

in fact, the researchers say that light and sirens should only be used in rare circumstances

maybe this dumb ambo should enlighten himself as should you. Wink
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Reply #28 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 10:45am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 24th, 2025 at 10:34am:
i actually just googled it and the timesaving is an average of 45 seconds per trip.



way to shoot yourself in the foot Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #29 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 10:47am
 
The scariest part of this whole thread is finding out aquascoot rides a motorbike.

Thank goodness I don't live and drive on the roads in Queensland.

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