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Reply #60 - Jan 28th, 2025 at 12:15pm
 
Obviously I cannot answer that based on a photo. Nothing beats actually being there. What I can assure you is that I would be able to do it safely.

But one thing you can resolve in writing, without even using pictures, is your logic.

Can you explain how an ambulance would be able to catch up to and overtake a vehicle that is 200 cars in front, if the ambulance is travelling slower than it? Yes I know this is a question I asked, so no need to remind me of that. It is your answer to the question, and the faulty logic behind it, that I am asking about. I think you will find that once you overcome your lack of understanding, you will experience far less road rage. Or "road disturbance" if you prefer. Have you ever tried not calling everyone else an idiot for long enough to think about what you are saying?
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Reply #61 - Jan 28th, 2025 at 12:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2025 at 12:15pm:
Obviously I cannot answer that based on a photo. Nothing beats actually being there. What I can assure you is that I would be able to do it safely.

But one thing you can resolve in writing, without even using pictures, is your logic.

Can you explain how an ambulance would be able to catch up to and overtake a vehicle that is 200 cars in front, if the ambulance is travelling slower than it? Yes I know this is a question I asked, so no need to remind me of that. It is your answer to the question, and the faulty logic behind it, that I am asking about. I think you will find that once you overcome your lack of understanding, you will experience far less road rage. Or "road disturbance" if you prefer.



incorrect

YOU said 200 cars in post 15

i would estimate he overtook about 6.
each car was SLOWING DOWN but staying on the road, sometimes for 100 to 200 metres looking for a safe place to pull over, often with them at a near stop.

and the ones in front started doing likewise.

the flow of traffic at 80  slowed to 40 (according to my trusty suzuki digital display.

then we came over the hill to a set of lights where cars were pouring around the corner and occuppying the road in front of the dumb ambo.

if he had let the traffic travel at 80 , he would have reached that intersection earlier and had less traffic in front of him


i know you are terrified that you are wrong but confession is good for the soul .
confess your error  Smiley
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Reply #62 - Jan 28th, 2025 at 12:32pm
 
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incorrect

YOU said 200 cars in post 15


I am not claiming you came up with the question.

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i would estimate he overtook about 6.


You also complained that after overtaking each vehicle, it would immediately come up behind another vehicle that pulling over.

You can't have it both ways Scoot. Either the traffic is congested enough and the ambulance is constantly overtaking vehicles as you initially suggested, or the traffic is sparse enough for the ambulance to get a decent run between each vehicle. Either way, the ambulance ends up travelling faster. You even provided the evidence that proves this to be the case.

Can you explain how an ambulance would be able to catch up to and overtake a vehicle that is 200 cars in front, if the ambulance is travelling slower than it? Yes I know this is a question I asked, so no need to remind me of that. It is your answer to the question, and the faulty logic behind it, that I am asking about. I think you will find that once you overcome your lack of understanding, you will experience far less road rage. Or "road disturbance" if you prefer.

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then we came over the hill to a set of lights


I have only seen traffic lights work in the emergency vehicles favour. People clear the intersection for it and let it through, even if it has a red light. You are letting your imagination run wild with this one.
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Reply #63 - Jan 28th, 2025 at 12:41pm
 
Here you go Scoot. I did not force you to say this:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 24th, 2025 at 12:56pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2025 at 12:16pm:
So after overtaking 200 cars, is the ambulance trip faster or slower than if it had not overtaken any cars?


if he overtook 200 cars which had all slowed to snails pace looking for a place to get over the verge , he has overtaken 200 cars doing walking pace.

he has lengthened his journey


Can you explain how an ambulance would be able to catch up to and overtake a vehicle that is 200 cars in front, if the ambulance is travelling slower than it? Yes I know this is a question I asked, so no need to remind me of that. It is your answer to the question, and the faulty logic behind it, that I am asking about. I think you will find that once you overcome your lack of understanding, you will experience far less road rage. Or "road disturbance" if you prefer.
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Reply #64 - Jan 28th, 2025 at 1:17pm
 
hi  there freediver

when the ambo put on the lights and sirens cars in front saw the fiasco in their rear vision mirrors i assume and all began slowing so they could find a way off the road and out of the way of the "road raging ambo"

such safe places to pull off were few and far between so drivers had to drive slowly looking for such a spot.

and as i have pointed out repeatedly , NEW TRAFFIC is always trying to enter this road.

it is usually unable to because of the flow of traffic doing the limit (80)

but thanks to this disturbed anbo, now they were pulling out including at the lights which we arrived at after a journey at 40 kph and which brought fresh obstacles for the enraged tailgating ambo.

i myself was calm as always , being a superior man
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Reply #65 - Jan 28th, 2025 at 1:26pm
 
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and as i have pointed out repeatedly , NEW TRAFFIC is always trying to enter this road.


So in addition to there being nowhere convenient to pull over, there are lots of side roads?
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Reply #66 - Jan 28th, 2025 at 3:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2025 at 1:26pm:
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and as i have pointed out repeatedly , NEW TRAFFIC is always trying to enter this road.


So in addition to there being nowhere convenient to pull over, there are lots of side roads?



yep, what speed do you have to slow down to do a turn

i suppose you do them at 80 kph so as not to slow terrified angry ambos up your bum  Cheesy
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Reply #67 - Jan 28th, 2025 at 3:08pm
 
So in summary, your argument is that flashing lights increase ambulance travel time because:

a) You found a study proving that they reduce travel time, which (see below) proves that they increase travel time.

b) There is nowhere convenient for traffic to pull over, which combined with lots of side roads with traffic waiting to enter, creates a double whammy effect where the ambulance gets slowed down twice.

3) The traffic is so congested that after overtaking a car, the ambulance immediately gets stuck behind the next car that is pulling over, combined with the traffic being so free flowing that the ambulance never actually catches up to the next vehicle and the road ahead is so empty that the long queue of cars waiting at the side roads (caused by the traffic being so congested) enters the traffic before they see the flashing lights. This is a triple whammy, which combined with the previous double whammy, creates a whammy-whammy-whammy-whammy-whammy effect, meaning the ambulance actually travels backwards.

iv) You once tailgated an ambulance, which proves you have more "lived experience" than actual ambulance drivers. This one is only a single whammy, unless we include all the occasions where you did not tailgate an ambulance.

v) You are a superior man, so you must be right, so travel times must be slower, which supports your argument, thus proving that you are a superior man.

f) You guess the ambulance overtook 6 cars. You know this because of your lived experience.

f) That's like 9 whammies. If each whammy slows the ambulance down by 10 seconds, that makes the travel time a minute and a half slower.
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Reply #68 - Jan 28th, 2025 at 3:15pm
 
good summary

my suzuki speedometer concurs
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Reply #69 - Jan 28th, 2025 at 5:05pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 27th, 2025 at 1:29pm:
what speed would freediver exit this road , when a dumb ambo comes up behind him and puts on lights and sirens  Roll Eyes



no one asked you to pull into the ditch you dumbarse. You pull over as far left as it is safe to do so, you don't even have to come to a stop, and the ambo's will take care of the rest.
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Reply #70 - Jan 29th, 2025 at 8:08am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 28th, 2025 at 5:05pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 27th, 2025 at 1:29pm:
what speed would freediver exit this road , when a dumb ambo comes up behind him and puts on lights and sirens  Roll Eyes



no one asked you to pull into the ditch you dumbarse. You pull over as far left as it is safe to do so, you don't even have to come to a stop, and the ambo's will take care of the rest.


It's a worry for FD that you are his only supporter.

How slow would you be happy to exit the road in picture 2
Bearing in mind most of the road is like that

And will the ambo be travelling slower if there is 1 km of ditch on the side.
I'm happy to provide more photos to show that is the case


Do you think tailgating a motorist for 1 km and expecting then to find a safe spot to exit is a good strategy ?
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Reply #71 - Jan 29th, 2025 at 9:05am
 
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It's a worry for FD that you are his only supporter.


Everyone except you agrees with me. You are not required to drive dangerously in order to make way for emergency vehicles. You are required to do it safely. That's what everyone does. The road rage is up to you, but you will have a much nicer day if you don't stress about it.
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Reply #72 - Jan 29th, 2025 at 9:59am
 
Do you consider an ambulance driver tailgating a 18 yo P plater for over  kilometre
On a narrow road with no verge and lots of oncoming traffic in an 80 zone  and double white lines to be appropriate behaviour.

I consider THAT to be road rage
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Reply #73 - Jan 29th, 2025 at 11:34am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 29th, 2025 at 9:59am:
Do you consider an ambulance driver tailgating a 18 yo P plater for over  kilometre
On a narrow road with no verge and lots of oncoming traffic in an 80 zone  and double white lines to be appropriate behaviour.

I consider THAT to be road rage


Does everyone else's road rage make you feel angry Scoot?
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Reply #74 - Jan 29th, 2025 at 1:08pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 29th, 2025 at 8:08am:
It's a worry for FD that you are his only supporter.

How slow would you be happy to exit the road in picture 2
Bearing in mind most of the road is like that

And will the ambo be travelling slower if there is 1 km of ditch on the side.
I'm happy to provide more photos to show that is the case


Do you think tailgating a motorist for 1 km and expecting then to find a safe spot to exit is a good strategy ?


I don't support FD.. I just call out stupid comments and in this instance, FD has called you out on it too. You already admitted they save time by using the siren . The rest is just you cementing your stupidity. Adding more photos won't help you. Did you really think that the ambos expect you to drive into the ditch just because they're using a siren?  Grin Grin Grin

You should hand in your license and stick to riding your jackass in a paddock .. it'll be far safer for you
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