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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #45 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:24pm
 
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:13pm:
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
So how can any US laws apply to them?



I will amend my last statement. Yes they are under USA jurisdiction. 


Ah.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


Thats what they are going to change, you seem to have a problem with that.


Who is "they"?

Who, exactly, is going to change the Constitution?

I'm curious.
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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #46 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:33pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:24pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:13pm:
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
So how can any US laws apply to them?



I will amend my last statement. Yes they are under USA jurisdiction. 


Ah.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


Thats what they are going to change, you seem to have a problem with that.


Who is "they"?

Who, exactly, is going to change the Constitution?

I'm curious.


They is them and them is going to change the constitution.


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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #47 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:47pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:13pm:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


Yes. Now read it in context.

lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:07pm:
"Some of the major issues that have arisen about this clause are the extent to which it included Native Americans, its coverage of non-citizens legally present in the United States when they have a child, whether the clause allows revocation of citizenship, and whether the clause applies to illegal immigrants."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu...

Now all you have to do is cite precedent. Wink


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This should be a good primer for you -

"INDIANS AND INVADERS: THE CITIZENSHIP CLAUSE AND
ILLEGAL ALIENS

https://download.ssrn.com/14/05/05/ssrn_id2433091_code1786698.pdf?response-conte...
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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #48 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:49pm
 
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:24pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:13pm:
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
So how can any US laws apply to them?



I will amend my last statement. Yes they are under USA jurisdiction. 


Ah.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


Thats what they are going to change, you seem to have a problem with that.


Who is "they"?

Who, exactly, is going to change the Constitution?

I'm curious.


They is them and them is going to change the constitution.




You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Leroy   Wink
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Reply #49 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:01pm
 

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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #50 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:02pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:24pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:13pm:
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
So how can any US laws apply to them?



I will amend my last statement. Yes they are under USA jurisdiction. 


Ah.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


Thats what they are going to change, you seem to have a problem with that.


Who is "they"?

Who, exactly, is going to change the Constitution?

I'm curious.


You don't need to change the constitution, despicable skin crawling creep, you just need to interpret its INTENTION.


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Reply #51 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:35pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:49pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:24pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:13pm:
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
So how can any US laws apply to them?



I will amend my last statement. Yes they are under USA jurisdiction. 


Ah.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


Thats what they are going to change, you seem to have a problem with that.


Who is "they"?

Who, exactly, is going to change the Constitution?

I'm curious.


They is them and them is going to change the constitution.




You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Leroy   Wink



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Process to Amend the US Constitution



Process to Amend the US Constitution:

Someone, a Congressman, a Senator, any citizen via his/her representative in the Congress, can propose an amendment to the US Constitution via Congress.

Individually, each House of Congress (The US House of Representatives & the US Senate) must agree to debate, & then vote on the Amendment.

Each House  must pass the Amendment by a two-thirds (2/3) Super-Majority vote.

(435 US Representatives of the US House times 2/3 equals 290 Representatives of the 435).

(100 US Senators times 2/3 equals 67 Senators of the 100 Senators).

If Successful in the both Houses of the US Congress, then the proposed Amendment gets sent to the 50 individual States (to the People), where it requires 3/4 of all the States (50 times 3/4 equals 38 States of the 50 States) to Ratify the new Amendment.

At the State level ratification is either done within the individual State's Legislatures, or if mandated by an individual State's Constitution, it must then be sent to the Citizens of that State via referendum to vote on the proposed Amendment.

Usually the entire States ratification process (all 50 States combined) from inception until passage is limited to Seven (7) years.

There have been 27 Amendments to the Constitution to date.

Approximately 11,770 measures have been submitted to the US Congress that proposed amendments to the US Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019 (over the span of 230+ years).

Since 1789, Congress was only able to successfully submit 33 proposed Constitutional amendments to the States for ratification.

Of these, only 27 have been ratified by the requisite number of States.

That means well over 11,000 proposed Amendments to the US Constitution could not be agreed to by a Super-Majority of Congress.   

The first 10 Amendments ratified by the States, to become part of their US Constitution (the Peoples Document), were/are called "The Bill of Rights" the Rights of the American People.

So, in over 230 years, only 27 Amendments (17 if you don't include the American People's Bill of Rights, which were ratified in block) made it through the entire process successfully.

And BTW only one (1) Constitutional Amendment has ever been enacted to repeal another - "Nuked" as some call it - & never has a repeal of a Right of the People ever been even suggested for ratification by the American People.   

The 21st Amendment, ratified in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, ratified in 1919, which had instituted Prohibition.








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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #52 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:51pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:49pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:24pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:13pm:
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
So how can any US laws apply to them?



I will amend my last statement. Yes they are under USA jurisdiction. 


Ah.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


Thats what they are going to change, you seem to have a problem with that.


Who is "they"?

Who, exactly, is going to change the Constitution?

I'm curious.


They is them and them is going to change the constitution.




You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Leroy   Wink




Process to Amend the US Constitution



Process to Amend the US Constitution:

Someone, a Congressman, a Senator, any citizen via his/her representative in the Congress, can propose an amendment to the US Constitution via Congress.

Individually, each House of Congress (The US House of Representatives & the US Senate) must agree to debate, & then vote on the Amendment.

Each House  must pass the Amendment by a two-thirds (2/3) Super-Majority vote.

(435 US Representatives of the US House times 2/3 equals 290 Representatives of the 435).

(100 US Senators times 2/3 equals 67 Senators of the 100 Senators).

If Successful in the both Houses of the US Congress, then the proposed Amendment gets sent to the 50 individual States (to the People), where it requires 3/4 of all the States (50 times 3/4 equals 38 States of the 50 States) to Ratify the new Amendment.

At the State level ratification is either done within the individual State's Legislatures, or if mandated by an individual State's Constitution, it must then be sent to the Citizens of that State via referendum to vote on the proposed Amendment.

Usually the entire States ratification process (all 50 States combined) from inception until passage is limited to Seven (7) years.

There have been 27 Amendments to the Constitution to date.

Approximately 11,770 measures have been submitted to the US Congress that proposed amendments to the US Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019 (over the span of 230+ years).

Since 1789, Congress was only able to successfully submit 33 proposed Constitutional amendments to the States for ratification.

Of these, only 27 have been ratified by the requisite number of States.

That means well over 11,000 proposed Amendments to the US Constitution could not be agreed to by a Super-Majority of Congress.   

The first 10 Amendments ratified by the States, to become part of their US Constitution (the Peoples Document), were/are called "The Bill of Rights" the Rights of the American People.

So, in over 230 years, only 27 Amendments (17 if you don't include the American People's Bill of Rights, which were ratified in block) made it through the entire process successfully.

And BTW only one (1) Constitutional Amendment has ever been enacted to repeal another - "Nuked" as some call it - & never has a repeal of a Right of the People ever been even suggested for ratification by the American People.   

The 21st Amendment, ratified in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, ratified in 1919, which had instituted Prohibition.




You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Panther    Wink
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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #53 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:52pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:24pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:13pm:
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
So how can any US laws apply to them?



I will amend my last statement. Yes they are under USA jurisdiction. 


Ah.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


Thats what they are going to change, you seem to have a problem with that.


Who is "they"?

Who, exactly, is going to change the Constitution?

I'm curious.


You don't need to change the constitution, despicable skin crawling creep, you just need to interpret its INTENTION.




You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Frank    Wink
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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #54 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 9:04pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:24pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:13pm:
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
So how can any US laws apply to them?



I will amend my last statement. Yes they are under USA jurisdiction. 


Ah.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


Thats what they are going to change, you seem to have a problem with that.


Who is "they"?

Who, exactly, is going to change the Constitution?

I'm curious.


You don't need to change the constitution, despicable skin crawling creep, you just need to interpret its INTENTION.




"Revoking this right would require amending the U.S. Constitution, or for the U.S. Supreme Court to diverge from centuries of established precedent and legal principles that date back to before the founding of this country."

Congress could pass a new constitutional amendment, but it would require a two-thirds vote in both the House and Senate and ratification by three-quarters of states.

Most legal scholars do not think that birthright citizenship can be revoked at all — let alone by executive order.

"It will be litigated immediately and its prospects of surviving those court fights are slim, even before a Supreme Court stacked with conservative justices and Trump appointees."


You be sure to let us all know how it works out, Frank     Wink
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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #55 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 9:08pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:51pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:49pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:24pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:13pm:
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
So how can any US laws apply to them?



I will amend my last statement. Yes they are under USA jurisdiction. 


Ah.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


Thats what they are going to change, you seem to have a problem with that.


Who is "they"?

Who, exactly, is going to change the Constitution?

I'm curious.


They is them and them is going to change the constitution.




You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Leroy   Wink




Process to Amend the US Constitution



Process to Amend the US Constitution:

Someone, a Congressman, a Senator, any citizen via his/her representative in the Congress, can propose an amendment to the US Constitution via Congress.

Individually, each House of Congress (The US House of Representatives & the US Senate) must agree to debate, & then vote on the Amendment.

Each House  must pass the Amendment by a two-thirds (2/3) Super-Majority vote.

(435 US Representatives of the US House times 2/3 equals 290 Representatives of the 435).

(100 US Senators times 2/3 equals 67 Senators of the 100 Senators).

If Successful in the both Houses of the US Congress, then the proposed Amendment gets sent to the 50 individual States (to the People), where it requires 3/4 of all the States (50 times 3/4 equals 38 States of the 50 States) to Ratify the new Amendment.

At the State level ratification is either done within the individual State's Legislatures, or if mandated by an individual State's Constitution, it must then be sent to the Citizens of that State via referendum to vote on the proposed Amendment.

Usually the entire States ratification process (all 50 States combined) from inception until passage is limited to Seven (7) years.

There have been 27 Amendments to the Constitution to date.

Approximately 11,770 measures have been submitted to the US Congress that proposed amendments to the US Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019 (over the span of 230+ years).

Since 1789, Congress was only able to successfully submit 33 proposed Constitutional amendments to the States for ratification.

Of these, only 27 have been ratified by the requisite number of States.

That means well over 11,000 proposed Amendments to the US Constitution could not be agreed to by a Super-Majority of Congress.   

The first 10 Amendments ratified by the States, to become part of their US Constitution (the Peoples Document), were/are called "The Bill of Rights" the Rights of the American People.

So, in over 230 years, only 27 Amendments (17 if you don't include the American People's Bill of Rights, which were ratified in block) made it through the entire process successfully.

And BTW only one (1) Constitutional Amendment has ever been enacted to repeal another - "Nuked" as some call it - & never has a repeal of a Right of the People ever been even suggested for ratification by the American People.   

The 21st Amendment, ratified in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, ratified in 1919, which had instituted Prohibition.




You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Panther    Wink


Personally, I'd prefer to leave the Constitution alone on this issue of Birthright Citizenship.......

Bottom line, I'd put all my resources into keeping the illegal parents out of the US in the first place ..... then the lil taco munchers can't be born on US soil to become an 'Anchor Baby' Citizen.

Problem solved (for the most part) & the Constitution stays unblemished/unaltered.



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Reply #56 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 9:13pm
 
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Bottom line, I'd put all my resources into keeping the illegal parents out of the US in the first place ..... then the lil taco munchers can't be born on US soil to become an 'Anchor Baby' Citizen.



Send them all back -
they can say that it's not fair to leave the anchor kid without their parents.
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Reply #57 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 9:21pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 9:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:51pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:49pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:24pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:13pm:
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
So how can any US laws apply to them?



I will amend my last statement. Yes they are under USA jurisdiction. 


Ah.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


Thats what they are going to change, you seem to have a problem with that.


Who is "they"?

Who, exactly, is going to change the Constitution?

I'm curious.


They is them and them is going to change the constitution.




You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Leroy   Wink




Process to Amend the US Constitution



Process to Amend the US Constitution:

Someone, a Congressman, a Senator, any citizen via his/her representative in the Congress, can propose an amendment to the US Constitution via Congress.

Individually, each House of Congress (The US House of Representatives & the US Senate) must agree to debate, & then vote on the Amendment.

Each House  must pass the Amendment by a two-thirds (2/3) Super-Majority vote.

(435 US Representatives of the US House times 2/3 equals 290 Representatives of the 435).

(100 US Senators times 2/3 equals 67 Senators of the 100 Senators).

If Successful in the both Houses of the US Congress, then the proposed Amendment gets sent to the 50 individual States (to the People), where it requires 3/4 of all the States (50 times 3/4 equals 38 States of the 50 States) to Ratify the new Amendment.

At the State level ratification is either done within the individual State's Legislatures, or if mandated by an individual State's Constitution, it must then be sent to the Citizens of that State via referendum to vote on the proposed Amendment.

Usually the entire States ratification process (all 50 States combined) from inception until passage is limited to Seven (7) years.

There have been 27 Amendments to the Constitution to date.

Approximately 11,770 measures have been submitted to the US Congress that proposed amendments to the US Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019 (over the span of 230+ years).

Since 1789, Congress was only able to successfully submit 33 proposed Constitutional amendments to the States for ratification.

Of these, only 27 have been ratified by the requisite number of States.

That means well over 11,000 proposed Amendments to the US Constitution could not be agreed to by a Super-Majority of Congress.   

The first 10 Amendments ratified by the States, to become part of their US Constitution (the Peoples Document), were/are called "The Bill of Rights" the Rights of the American People.

So, in over 230 years, only 27 Amendments (17 if you don't include the American People's Bill of Rights, which were ratified in block) made it through the entire process successfully.

And BTW only one (1) Constitutional Amendment has ever been enacted to repeal another - "Nuked" as some call it - & never has a repeal of a Right of the People ever been even suggested for ratification by the American People.   

The 21st Amendment, ratified in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, ratified in 1919, which had instituted Prohibition.




You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Panther    Wink


Personally, I'd prefer to leave the Constitution alone on this issue of Birthright Citizenship.......

Bottom line, I'd put all my resources into keeping the illegal parents out of the US in the first place ..... then the lil taco munchers can't be born on US soil to become an 'Anchor Baby' Citizen.

Problem solved (for the most part) & the Constitution stays unblemished/unaltered.





You be sure to let us all know how that works out, Panther    Wink
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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #58 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 9:38pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 9:21pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 9:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:51pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:49pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:24pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:13pm:
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
So how can any US laws apply to them?



I will amend my last statement. Yes they are under USA jurisdiction. 


Ah.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


Thats what they are going to change, you seem to have a problem with that.


Who is "they"?

Who, exactly, is going to change the Constitution?

I'm curious.


They is them and them is going to change the constitution.




You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Leroy   Wink




Process to Amend the US Constitution



Process to Amend the US Constitution:

Someone, a Congressman, a Senator, any citizen via his/her representative in the Congress, can propose an amendment to the US Constitution via Congress.

Individually, each House of Congress (The US House of Representatives & the US Senate) must agree to debate, & then vote on the Amendment.

Each House  must pass the Amendment by a two-thirds (2/3) Super-Majority vote.

(435 US Representatives of the US House times 2/3 equals 290 Representatives of the 435).

(100 US Senators times 2/3 equals 67 Senators of the 100 Senators).

If Successful in the both Houses of the US Congress, then the proposed Amendment gets sent to the 50 individual States (to the People), where it requires 3/4 of all the States (50 times 3/4 equals 38 States of the 50 States) to Ratify the new Amendment.

At the State level ratification is either done within the individual State's Legislatures, or if mandated by an individual State's Constitution, it must then be sent to the Citizens of that State via referendum to vote on the proposed Amendment.

Usually the entire States ratification process (all 50 States combined) from inception until passage is limited to Seven (7) years.

There have been 27 Amendments to the Constitution to date.

Approximately 11,770 measures have been submitted to the US Congress that proposed amendments to the US Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019 (over the span of 230+ years).

Since 1789, Congress was only able to successfully submit 33 proposed Constitutional amendments to the States for ratification.

Of these, only 27 have been ratified by the requisite number of States.

That means well over 11,000 proposed Amendments to the US Constitution could not be agreed to by a Super-Majority of Congress.   

The first 10 Amendments ratified by the States, to become part of their US Constitution (the Peoples Document), were/are called "The Bill of Rights" the Rights of the American People.

So, in over 230 years, only 27 Amendments (17 if you don't include the American People's Bill of Rights, which were ratified in block) made it through the entire process successfully.

And BTW only one (1) Constitutional Amendment has ever been enacted to repeal another - "Nuked" as some call it - & never has a repeal of a Right of the People ever been even suggested for ratification by the American People.   

The 21st Amendment, ratified in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, ratified in 1919, which had instituted Prohibition.




You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Panther    Wink


Personally, I'd prefer to leave the Constitution alone on this issue of Birthright Citizenship.......

Bottom line, I'd put all my resources into keeping the illegal parents out of the US in the first place ..... then the lil taco munchers can't be born on US soil to become an 'Anchor Baby' Citizen.

Problem solved (for the most part) & the Constitution stays unblemished/unaltered.





You be sure to let us all know how that works out, Panther
    Wink


The Constitution says who is a citizen, it doesn't say who must be permitted to stay in the USA.....Manuel & Consuelo have no legal Right to stay in the USA just because their kid is a Citizen.......The US Constitution is silent on that issue. On the other hand Congressional law can be simply modified, or changed......An Executive Order can find ways manipulate simple Congressional Law. 
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:36am:
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