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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #60 - Jan 25^th, 2025 at 11:01pm

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 9:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 9:21pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 9:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 8:51pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 8:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 7:49pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 7:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 7:24pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 7:13pm:

lee wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 6:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 4:57pm:

So how can any US laws apply to them?

I will amend my last statement. Yes they are under USA jurisdiction.

Ah.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Thats what they are going to change, you seem to have a problem with that.

Who is "they"?

Who, exactly, is going to change the Constitution?

I'm curious.

They is them and them is going to change the constitution.

You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Leroy Wink

Process to Amend the US Constitution

Process to Amend the US Constitution:

Someone, a Congressman, a Senator, any citizen via his/her representative in the Congress, can propose an amendment to the US Constitution via Congress.

Individually, each House of Congress (The US House of Representatives & the US Senate) must agree to debate, & then vote on the Amendment.

Each House must pass the Amendment by a two-thirds (2/3) Super-Majority vote.

(435 US Representatives of the US House times 2/3 equals 290 Representatives of the 435).

(100 US Senators times 2/3 equals 67 Senators of the 100 Senators).

If Successful in the both Houses of the US Congress, then the proposed Amendment gets sent to the 50 individual States (to the People), where it requires 3/4 of all the States (50 times 3/4 equals 38 States of the 50 States) to Ratify the new Amendment.

At the State level ratification is either done within the individual State's Legislatures, or if mandated by an individual State's Constitution, it must then be sent to the Citizens of that State via referendum to vote on the proposed Amendment.

Usually the entire States ratification process (all 50 States combined) from inception until passage is limited to Seven (7) years.

There have been 27 Amendments to the Constitution to date.

Approximately 11,770 measures have been submitted to the US Congress that proposed amendments to the US Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019 (over the span of 230+ years).

Since 1789, Congress was only able to successfully submit 33 proposed Constitutional amendments to the States for ratification.

Of these, only 27 have been ratified by the requisite number of States.

That means well over 11,000 proposed Amendments to the US Constitution could not be agreed to by a Super-Majority of Congress.

The first 10 Amendments ratified by the States, to become part of their US Constitution (the Peoples Document), were/are called "The Bill of Rights" the Rights of the American People.

So, in over 230 years, only 27 Amendments (17 if you don't include the American People's Bill of Rights, which were ratified in block) made it through the entire process successfully.

And BTW only one (1) Constitutional Amendment has ever been enacted to repeal another - "Nuked" as some call it - & never has a repeal of a Right of the People ever been even suggested for ratification by the American People.

The 21st Amendment, ratified in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, ratified in 1919, which had instituted Prohibition.

You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Panther Wink

Personally, I'd prefer to leave the Constitution alone on this issue of Birthright Citizenship.......

Bottom line, I'd put all my resources into keeping the illegal parents out of the US in the first place ..... then the lil taco munchers can't be born on US soil to become an 'Anchor Baby' Citizen.

Problem solved (for the most part) & the Constitution stays unblemished/unaltered.

You be sure to let us all know how that works out, Panther
Wink

The Constitution says who is a citizen, it doesn't say who must be permitted to stay in the USA.....Manuel & Consuelo have no legal Right to stay in the USA just because their kid is a Citizen.......The US Constitution is silent on that issue. On the other hand Congressional law can be simply modified, or changed......An Executive Order can find ways manipulate simple Congressional Law.

You be sure to let us all know how that works out, Panther Wink

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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #61 - Jan 26^th, 2025 at 12:42am

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 9:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 8:51pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 8:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 7:49pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 7:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 7:24pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 7:13pm:

lee wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 6:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 4:57pm:

So how can any US laws apply to them?

I will amend my last statement. Yes they are under USA jurisdiction.

Ah.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Thats what they are going to change, you seem to have a problem with that.

Who is "they"?

Who, exactly, is going to change the Constitution?

I'm curious.

They is them and them is going to change the constitution.

You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Leroy Wink

Process to Amend the US Constitution

Process to Amend the US Constitution:

Someone, a Congressman, a Senator, any citizen via his/her representative in the Congress, can propose an amendment to the US Constitution via Congress.

Individually, each House of Congress (The US House of Representatives & the US Senate) must agree to debate, & then vote on the Amendment.

Each House must pass the Amendment by a two-thirds (2/3) Super-Majority vote.

(435 US Representatives of the US House times 2/3 equals 290 Representatives of the 435).

(100 US Senators times 2/3 equals 67 Senators of the 100 Senators).

If Successful in the both Houses of the US Congress, then the proposed Amendment gets sent to the 50 individual States (to the People), where it requires 3/4 of all the States (50 times 3/4 equals 38 States of the 50 States) to Ratify the new Amendment.

At the State level ratification is either done within the individual State's Legislatures, or if mandated by an individual State's Constitution, it must then be sent to the Citizens of that State via referendum to vote on the proposed Amendment.

Usually the entire States ratification process (all 50 States combined) from inception until passage is limited to Seven (7) years.

There have been 27 Amendments to the Constitution to date.

Approximately 11,770 measures have been submitted to the US Congress that proposed amendments to the US Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019 (over the span of 230+ years).

Since 1789, Congress was only able to successfully submit 33 proposed Constitutional amendments to the States for ratification.

Of these, only 27 have been ratified by the requisite number of States.

That means well over 11,000 proposed Amendments to the US Constitution could not be agreed to by a Super-Majority of Congress.

The first 10 Amendments ratified by the States, to become part of their US Constitution (the Peoples Document), were/are called "The Bill of Rights" the Rights of the American People.

So, in over 230 years, only 27 Amendments (17 if you don't include the American People's Bill of Rights, which were ratified in block) made it through the entire process successfully.

And BTW only one (1) Constitutional Amendment has ever been enacted to repeal another - "Nuked" as some call it - & never has a repeal of a Right of the People ever been even suggested for ratification by the American People.

The 21st Amendment, ratified in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, ratified in 1919, which had instituted Prohibition.

You be sure to let us all know how it works out for "them", Panther Wink

Personally, I'd prefer to leave the Constitution alone on this issue of Birthright Citizenship.......

Bottom line, I'd put all my resources into keeping the illegal parents out of the US in the first place ..... then the lil taco munchers can't be born on US soil to become an 'Anchor Baby' Citizen.

Problem solved (for the most part) & the Constitution stays unblemished/unaltered.

Not a fan of tacos, eh?

Or you just hate Mexicans. So, which is it to be?

I'm guessing you'll go with your legal right to hate Spics, ya?

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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #62 - Jan 26^th, 2025 at 3:17am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 25^th, 2025 at 7:52am:

Trump is going after the most violent ones first -
and the ones eating the cats and dogs from Haiti.
It will make a difference.

Good on Trump - he knows what to do - not like sleepy Joe Biden. Roll Eyes

How do they get the cats and dogs from Haiti?

You do know that claim was 100% bullshit?

Yes, Trumpy is deporting illegals that committed crimes, not the same as mass deportation that I doubt will happen. After all, Trumpy used “illegals” to build one of his large buildings—then didn’t pay them! Like he doesn’t pay his lawyers.

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26284 Gender:	Re: Deportation flights have begun Reply #63 - Jan 26^th, 2025 at 9:03am Trump has had a setback with deporting people to Mexico. A flight due to depart a US Air Force base to Mexico was denied permission to land in Mexico, forcing the flight to be cancelled.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20746 Gordon Gender:	Re: Deportation flights have begun Reply #64 - Jan 26^th, 2025 at 9:06am https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/donald-trump-live-update...
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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #65 - Jan 26^th, 2025 at 10:21am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 26^th, 2025 at 9:03am:

Trump has had a setback with deporting people to Mexico. A flight due to depart a US Air Force base to Mexico was denied permission to land in Mexico, forcing the flight to be cancelled.

Mexico has always been more confident in challenging the US than all other South American countries.

The US military and the CIA are historically more wary of destabilising Mexico, as blowback is almost inevitable.

Also, the current economic and demographic outlook for Mexico is positive with more Mexicans returning than leaving Mexico from the US.

The bottom line is the US will soon need Mexican workers more than the latter needs the former.

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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #66 - Jan 27^th, 2025 at 5:54am

Problems already -
the South American countries don't want their own people back

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https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113896070273857964

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

I was just informed that two repatriation flights from the United States,
with a large number of Illegal Criminals, were not allowed to land in Colombia.

This order was given by Colombia’s Socialist President Gustavo Petro, who is already very unpopular amongst his people. Petro’s denial of these flights has jeopardized the National Security and Public Safety of the United States, so I have directed my Administration to immediately take the following urgent and decisive retaliatory measures:

-Emergency 25% tariffs on all goods coming into the United States. In one week, the 25% tariffs will be raised to 50%.

-A Travel Ban and immediate Visa Revocations on the Colombian Government Officials, and all Allies and Supporters.

-Visa Sanctions on all Party Members, Family Members, and Supporters of the Colombian Government.

-Enhanced Customs and Border Protection Inspections of all Colombian Nationals and Cargo on national security grounds.

-IEEPA Treasury, Banking and Financial Sanctions to be fully imposed.

These measures are just the beginning. We will not allow the Colombian Government to violate its legal obligations with regard to the acceptance and return of the Criminals they forced into the United States!

Jan 27, 2025, 5:28 AM

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106621 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Deportation flights have begun Reply #67 - Jan 27^th, 2025 at 4:11pm Colombia has now changed it's mind - they are accepting their own people back. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20p36e62gyo US suspends tariffs after Colombia agrees to deportation flights 36 minutes ago
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Reply #68 - Jan 27^th, 2025 at 5:54pm

https://thepostmillennial.com/tom-homan-urges-illegal-immigrants-in-the-us-to-le...

Tom Homan urges illegal immigrants in the US to 'leave' before they are arrested

“If you’re in the country illegally, you're on the table, because it's not OK to,
you know, violate the laws of this country."

Tom Homan, the Trump administration’s newly appointed “border czar,”

delivered a direct message to illegal immigrants in the United States, emphasizing that there are “consequences” for entering the country unlawfully. Homan also urged those in the country illegally to leave voluntarily before they are eventually arrested.

In an interview on ABC’s This Week with co-anchor Martha Raddatz, Homan highlighted the administration’s strict immigration policies aimed at deterring individuals from entering and remaining in the country illegally.

During its initial days, the Trump administration has focused on arresting illegal immigrants with criminal records. However, Homan made it clear that enforcement efforts will extend beyond this group.

“If you’re in the country illegally, you're on the table, because it's not OK to, you know, violate the laws of this country,” Homan explained. “You got to remember, every time you enter this country illegally, you violated a crime under Title Eight, the United States Code 1325, it's a crime. So, if you're in a country illegally, you got a problem. And that's why I'm hoping those who are in the country illegally, who have not been ordered removed by the federal judge, should leave,”

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139261 Gender:	Re: Deportation flights have begun Reply #70 - Jan 27^th, 2025 at 7:04pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 27^th, 2025 at 6:03pm: So no mass deportations of illegal migrants yet. Nope. Also, the Ukraine war wasn't stopped in 24 hours. And, Trump is now supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel so that they can wipe out whatever buildings are left in Gaza.
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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #71 - Jan 27^th, 2025 at 7:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2025 at 7:04pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 27^th, 2025 at 6:03pm:

So no mass deportations of illegal migrants yet.

Nope.

Also, the Ukraine war wasn't stopped in 24 hours.

And, Trump is now supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel so that they can wipe out whatever buildings are left in Gaza.

i shot donald an email telling him to resign because gweggy was upset with his performance.

he replied

"who?" Grin

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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #72 - Jan 27^th, 2025 at 7:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2025 at 7:04pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 27^th, 2025 at 6:03pm:

So no mass deportations of illegal migrants yet.

Nope.

Also, the Ukraine war wasn't stopped in 24 hours.

And, Trump is now supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel so that they can wipe out whatever buildings are left in Gaza.

Stop spreading Russian disinformation.

No bombs are being dropped now -

the war is over.

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Re: Deportation flights have begun
Reply #73 - Jan 27^th, 2025 at 7:44pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2025 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2025 at 7:04pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 27^th, 2025 at 6:03pm:

So no mass deportations of illegal migrants yet.

Nope.

Also, the Ukraine war wasn't stopped in 24 hours.

And, Trump is now supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel so that they can wipe out whatever buildings are left in Gaza.

Stop spreading Russian disinformation.

Oh, my dear Bobbi.

You do gab on.

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Reply #74 - Jan 27^th, 2025 at 7:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2025 at 7:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2025 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2025 at 7:04pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 27^th, 2025 at 6:03pm:

So no mass deportations of illegal migrants yet.

Nope.

Also, the Ukraine war wasn't stopped in 24 hours.

And, Trump is now supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel so that they can wipe out whatever buildings are left in Gaza.

Stop spreading Russian disinformation.

Oh, my dear Bobbi.

You do gab on.

gab is a good place - I find many of my links and memes there.

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