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Re: 6 minutes
Reply #30 - Jan 28^th, 2025 at 10:53pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2025 at 10:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2025 at 10:00pm:

What appeared to be political weakness by the Colombian President, was more likely political manoeuvring.

Ah. But do you know?

No country should prevent the repatriation of citizens. The right to citizenship is a basic universal human right.

Countries that prevent the return of citizens are violating the UNDHR. We'd never do it. Scomo tried briefly during covid and our High Court wasn't too happy.

Seems China, India, Russia, Iran and Pakistan didn't get your memo...

The rest of Asia would make it difficult.

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Reply #31 - Jan 28^th, 2025 at 11:03pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2025 at 10:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2025 at 10:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2025 at 10:00pm:

What appeared to be political weakness by the Colombian President, was more likely political manoeuvring.

Ah. But do you know?

No country should prevent the repatriation of citizens. The right to citizenship is a basic universal human right.

Countries that prevent the return of citizens are violating the UNDHR. We'd never do it. Scomo tried briefly during covid and our High Court wasn't too happy.

Seems China, India, Russia, Iran and Pakistan didn't get your memo...

The rest of Asia would make it difficult.

Oh, I know. And you won't see DL doing the same to them.

He probably has Trump developments in Pakistan. He definitely has irons in the fire in China.

As for Turkey, it's got not one Trump Tower, but two. Guess which country, along with Ukraine, managed to keep US aid.

Just so. Erdogan's having a right old chuckle. DL has just stopped aid to every country in the world bar Ukraine and Turkiye. We know he was dragged kicking and screaming to keep funding Ukraine, but Johnny Turk?

It's the new special relationship.

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Reply #32 - Jan 29^th, 2025 at 5:47am

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2025 at 10:42pm:

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In announcing his earlier rejection of migrant repatriation flights, Mr Petro denounced the US' handling of deportees "as criminals" along with a news video of migrants reportedly deported to Brazil walking on a tarmac with their hands and feet restrained.

"A migrant is not a criminal and must be treated with the dignity that a human being deserves," Mr Petro said.

"That is why I returned the US military planes that were carrying Colombian migrants."

He also added that his country would receive Colombians in "civilian air planes" and "without treatment like criminals".

Colombia had accepted 475 deportation flights from the United States between 2020 and 2024 — including 124 last year — putting the country fifth in total behind Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico and El Salvador, according to Witness at the Border, an advocacy group that tracks flight data.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-27/donald-trump-sanctions-colombia-over-depo...

Turns out Colombia wasn't rejecting repatriation at all, just the manner in which they come.

So, not so much cards at the high table, as Saturday night charades, then!

See, this is why nobody invites you to their presidential inaugurations no more.

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Reply #33 - Jan 29^th, 2025 at 10:59am

It's the only deal Trump knows how to make, one where he holds all the power and those across from him have everything to lose.

It's not really deal-making in the traditional sense.

That requires the US to remain a superpower. That's at risk under Trump with his current actions over what feels like the last month, not just a week...

If he continues to alienate every neighbouring country, trading partner and ally with these tactics, if he ever has to negotiate anything with them on a level playing field, he's in a lot of trouble.

He's actually a terrible negotiates under those terms. If he doesn't hold all the power, if he can't force their hand, he's cooked.

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Reply #34 - Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:07am

KangAnon wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 10:59am:

It's the only deal Trump knows how to make, one where he holds all the power and those across from him have everything to lose.

It's not really deal-making in the traditional sense.

That requires the US to remain a superpower. That's at risk under Trump with his current actions over what feels like the last month, not just a week...

If he continues to alienate every neighbouring country, trading partner and ally with these tactics, if he ever has to negotiate anything with them on a level playing field, he's in a lot of trouble.

He's actually a terrible negotiates under those terms. If he doesn't hold all the power, if he can't force their hand, he's cooked.

History proves you wrong, Trump had everything against him and he came out as the President.

If you give credit where its due then you respect yourself.

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Reply #35 - Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:12am

Leroy wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:07am:

KangAnon wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 10:59am:

It's the only deal Trump knows how to make, one where he holds all the power and those across from him have everything to lose.

It's not really deal-making in the traditional sense.

That requires the US to remain a superpower. That's at risk under Trump with his current actions over what feels like the last month, not just a week...

If he continues to alienate every neighbouring country, trading partner and ally with these tactics, if he ever has to negotiate anything with them on a level playing field, he's in a lot of trouble.

He's actually a terrible negotiates under those terms. If he doesn't hold all the power, if he can't force their hand, he's cooked.

History proves you wrong, Trump had everything against him and he came out as the President.

If you give credit where its due then you respect yourself.

That's not making a deal, unless you're saying the election was rigged in his favour?

There are few if any deals he's made, at least publically, where he's been holding all the cards, unless you count settlements he's made to avoid conviction or other court rulings, but that's more of an accountability thing, for his criminal conduct.

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Reply #36 - Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:15am

KangAnon wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:12am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:07am:

KangAnon wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 10:59am:

It's the only deal Trump knows how to make, one where he holds all the power and those across from him have everything to lose.

It's not really deal-making in the traditional sense.

That requires the US to remain a superpower. That's at risk under Trump with his current actions over what feels like the last month, not just a week...

If he continues to alienate every neighbouring country, trading partner and ally with these tactics, if he ever has to negotiate anything with them on a level playing field, he's in a lot of trouble.

He's actually a terrible negotiates under those terms. If he doesn't hold all the power, if he can't force their hand, he's cooked.

History proves you wrong, Trump had everything against him and he came out as the President.

If you give credit where its due then you respect yourself.

That's not making a deal, unless you're saying the election was rigged in his favour?

So you don't think Trump made any deals to regain his power and influence to regain the POTUS.

I don't think many will have that opinion.

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Reply #37 - Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:18am

KangAnon wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 10:59am:

It's the only deal Trump knows how to make, one where he holds all the power and those across from him have everything to lose.

It's not really deal-making in the traditional sense.

That requires the US to remain a superpower. That's at risk under Trump with his current actions over what feels like the last month, not just a week...

If he continues to alienate every neighbouring country, trading partner and ally with these tactics, if he ever has to negotiate anything with them on a level playing field, he's in a lot of trouble.

He's actually a terrible negotiates under those terms. If he doesn't hold all the power, if he can't force their hand, he's cooked.

Try not to strut too much with moral indignation... loudest rooster one day, feather duster the next...

Both sides of Australian politics have been deporting criminal non-citizens for years. New Zealand has petitioned Australia multiple times to cease deporting criminal non-Australian NZ citizens, as the calibre of criminals sent back is often many times worse than those locally grown - their pleas have been unilaterally dismissed.

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Reply #38 - Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:25am

Leroy wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:15am:

KangAnon wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:12am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:07am:

KangAnon wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 10:59am:

It's the only deal Trump knows how to make, one where he holds all the power and those across from him have everything to lose.

It's not really deal-making in the traditional sense.

That requires the US to remain a superpower. That's at risk under Trump with his current actions over what feels like the last month, not just a week...

If he continues to alienate every neighbouring country, trading partner and ally with these tactics, if he ever has to negotiate anything with them on a level playing field, he's in a lot of trouble.

He's actually a terrible negotiates under those terms. If he doesn't hold all the power, if he can't force their hand, he's cooked.

History proves you wrong, Trump had everything against him and he came out as the President.

If you give credit where its due then you respect yourself.

That's not making a deal, unless you're saying the election was rigged in his favour?

So you don't think Trump made any deals to regain his power and influence to regain the POTUS.

I don't think many will have that opinion.

So you're saying he's beholden to those who helped him regain power and will need to push their agenda, rather than governing for the American people?

I agree.

We've seen who his executive orders have been benefitting so far.

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Reply #39 - Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:32am

KangAnon wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:25am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:15am:

KangAnon wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:12am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 11:07am:

KangAnon wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 10:59am:

It's the only deal Trump knows how to make, one where he holds all the power and those across from him have everything to lose.

It's not really deal-making in the traditional sense.

That requires the US to remain a superpower. That's at risk under Trump with his current actions over what feels like the last month, not just a week...

If he continues to alienate every neighbouring country, trading partner and ally with these tactics, if he ever has to negotiate anything with them on a level playing field, he's in a lot of trouble.

He's actually a terrible negotiates under those terms. If he doesn't hold all the power, if he can't force their hand, he's cooked.

History proves you wrong, Trump had everything against him and he came out as the President.

If you give credit where its due then you respect yourself.

That's not making a deal, unless you're saying the election was rigged in his favour?

So you don't think Trump made any deals to regain his power and influence to regain the POTUS.

I don't think many will have that opinion.

So you're saying he's beholden to those who helped him regain power and will need to push their agenda, rather than governing for the American people?

I agree.

We've seen who his executive orders have been benefitting so far.

I make deals all the time as I'm sure you do, but does that make us beholden to whoever we make a deal with. If your experience is you are now beholden to the other party of the deal then you really should not be commenting on the ability of others.

This is something I would expect from CNN, every single politician, businessman and workers make deals everyday and suddenly Trump making a deal means he did something wrong.

Name one politician that did not make hundreds of deals to get where they are.

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Reply #40 - Jan 29^th, 2025 at 5:56pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 5:47am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2025 at 10:42pm:

Quote:

In announcing his earlier rejection of migrant repatriation flights, Mr Petro denounced the US' handling of deportees "as criminals" along with a news video of migrants reportedly deported to Brazil walking on a tarmac with their hands and feet restrained.

"A migrant is not a criminal and must be treated with the dignity that a human being deserves," Mr Petro said.

"That is why I returned the US military planes that were carrying Colombian migrants."

He also added that his country would receive Colombians in "civilian air planes" and "without treatment like criminals".

Colombia had accepted 475 deportation flights from the United States between 2020 and 2024 — including 124 last year — putting the country fifth in total behind Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico and El Salvador, according to Witness at the Border, an advocacy group that tracks flight data.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-27/donald-trump-sanctions-colombia-over-depo...

Turns out Colombia wasn't rejecting repatriation at all, just the manner in which they come.

So, not so much cards at the high table, as Saturday night charades, then!

See, this is why nobody invites you to their presidential inaugurations no more.

Petro responded to footage of migrants being frogmarched before the fake news, dear. Many are up on petty crimes, no convictions, and in some cases, there were no crimes at all.

You know, "men of military age", released from "prisons, mental hospitals and worse, mental asylums", "eating our pets", "stone cold killers" and some, "I assume, are very good people".

Trussed in gaffa for their perp walk in front of Fox and Newsmax.

I don't know about you, dear, but I'm with Petro.

You?

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Reply #41 - Jan 29^th, 2025 at 6:10pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 5:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 5:47am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2025 at 10:42pm:

Quote:

In announcing his earlier rejection of migrant repatriation flights, Mr Petro denounced the US' handling of deportees "as criminals" along with a news video of migrants reportedly deported to Brazil walking on a tarmac with their hands and feet restrained.

"A migrant is not a criminal and must be treated with the dignity that a human being deserves," Mr Petro said.

"That is why I returned the US military planes that were carrying Colombian migrants."

He also added that his country would receive Colombians in "civilian air planes" and "without treatment like criminals".

Colombia had accepted 475 deportation flights from the United States between 2020 and 2024 — including 124 last year — putting the country fifth in total behind Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico and El Salvador, according to Witness at the Border, an advocacy group that tracks flight data.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-27/donald-trump-sanctions-colombia-over-depo...

Turns out Colombia wasn't rejecting repatriation at all, just the manner in which they come.

So, not so much cards at the high table, as Saturday night charades, then!

See, this is why nobody invites you to their presidential inaugurations no more.

Petro responded to footage of migrants being frogmarched before the fake news, dear. Many are up on petty crimes, no convictions, and in some cases, there were no crimes at all.

You know, "men of military age", released from "prisons, mental hospitals and worse, mental asylums", "eating our pets", "stone cold killers" and some, "I assume, are very good people".

Trussed in gaffa for their perp walk in front of Fox and Newsmax.

I don't know about you, dear, but I'm with Petro.

You?

So why did these people leave a country ruled by your beloved Petro?.

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Reply #42 - Jan 29^th, 2025 at 6:20pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 6:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 5:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 5:47am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2025 at 10:42pm:

Quote:

In announcing his earlier rejection of migrant repatriation flights, Mr Petro denounced the US' handling of deportees "as criminals" along with a news video of migrants reportedly deported to Brazil walking on a tarmac with their hands and feet restrained.

"A migrant is not a criminal and must be treated with the dignity that a human being deserves," Mr Petro said.

"That is why I returned the US military planes that were carrying Colombian migrants."

He also added that his country would receive Colombians in "civilian air planes" and "without treatment like criminals".

Colombia had accepted 475 deportation flights from the United States between 2020 and 2024 — including 124 last year — putting the country fifth in total behind Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico and El Salvador, according to Witness at the Border, an advocacy group that tracks flight data.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-27/donald-trump-sanctions-colombia-over-depo...

Turns out Colombia wasn't rejecting repatriation at all, just the manner in which they come.

So, not so much cards at the high table, as Saturday night charades, then!

See, this is why nobody invites you to their presidential inaugurations no more.

Petro responded to footage of migrants being frogmarched before the fake news, dear. Many are up on petty crimes, no convictions, and in some cases, there were no crimes at all.

You know, "men of military age", released from "prisons, mental hospitals and worse, mental asylums", "eating our pets", "stone cold killers" and some, "I assume, are very good people".

Trussed in gaffa for their perp walk in front of Fox and Newsmax.

I don't know about you, dear, but I'm with Petro.

You?

So why did these people leave a country ruled by your beloved Petro?.

Hard to say, dear. Ever been to Colombia?

Wonderful beaches, superb scenery, the most fun-loving and kind people - and cheap!

Gordon would love it. The tourism's to die for. But do you know?

I don't think their wages are too good. If I was providing a gentleman's service and I had a choice between Medellin and Manhattan, I know which curb I'd rather crawl.

Ten years in the big smoke, retire in comfort. I may look into it myself.

You?

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Reply #43 - Jan 29^th, 2025 at 6:36pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 6:20pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 6:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 5:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 5:47am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2025 at 10:42pm:

Quote:

In announcing his earlier rejection of migrant repatriation flights, Mr Petro denounced the US' handling of deportees "as criminals" along with a news video of migrants reportedly deported to Brazil walking on a tarmac with their hands and feet restrained.

"A migrant is not a criminal and must be treated with the dignity that a human being deserves," Mr Petro said.

"That is why I returned the US military planes that were carrying Colombian migrants."

He also added that his country would receive Colombians in "civilian air planes" and "without treatment like criminals".

Colombia had accepted 475 deportation flights from the United States between 2020 and 2024 — including 124 last year — putting the country fifth in total behind Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico and El Salvador, according to Witness at the Border, an advocacy group that tracks flight data.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-27/donald-trump-sanctions-colombia-over-depo...

Turns out Colombia wasn't rejecting repatriation at all, just the manner in which they come.

So, not so much cards at the high table, as Saturday night charades, then!

See, this is why nobody invites you to their presidential inaugurations no more.

Petro responded to footage of migrants being frogmarched before the fake news, dear. Many are up on petty crimes, no convictions, and in some cases, there were no crimes at all.

You know, "men of military age", released from "prisons, mental hospitals and worse, mental asylums", "eating our pets", "stone cold killers" and some, "I assume, are very good people".

Trussed in gaffa for their perp walk in front of Fox and Newsmax.

I don't know about you, dear, but I'm with Petro.

You?

So why did these people leave a country ruled by your beloved Petro?.

Hard to say, dear. Ever been to Colombia?

Wonderful beaches, superb scenery, the most fun-loving and kind people - and cheap!

Gordon would love it. The tourism's to die for. But do you know?

I don't think their wages are too good. If I was providing a gentleman's service and I had a choice between Medellin and Manhattan, I know which curb I'd rather crawl.

Ten years in the big smoke, retire in comfort. I may look into it myself.

You?

Me.. I'm watching the cricket.

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Reply #44 - Jan 29^th, 2025 at 7:29pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 6:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 6:20pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 6:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 5:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2025 at 5:47am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2025 at 10:42pm:

Quote:

In announcing his earlier rejection of migrant repatriation flights, Mr Petro denounced the US' handling of deportees "as criminals" along with a news video of migrants reportedly deported to Brazil walking on a tarmac with their hands and feet restrained.

"A migrant is not a criminal and must be treated with the dignity that a human being deserves," Mr Petro said.

"That is why I returned the US military planes that were carrying Colombian migrants."

He also added that his country would receive Colombians in "civilian air planes" and "without treatment like criminals".

Colombia had accepted 475 deportation flights from the United States between 2020 and 2024 — including 124 last year — putting the country fifth in total behind Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico and El Salvador, according to Witness at the Border, an advocacy group that tracks flight data.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-27/donald-trump-sanctions-colombia-over-depo...

Turns out Colombia wasn't rejecting repatriation at all, just the manner in which they come.

So, not so much cards at the high table, as Saturday night charades, then!

See, this is why nobody invites you to their presidential inaugurations no more.

Petro responded to footage of migrants being frogmarched before the fake news, dear. Many are up on petty crimes, no convictions, and in some cases, there were no crimes at all.

You know, "men of military age", released from "prisons, mental hospitals and worse, mental asylums", "eating our pets", "stone cold killers" and some, "I assume, are very good people".

Trussed in gaffa for their perp walk in front of Fox and Newsmax.

I don't know about you, dear, but I'm with Petro.

You?

So why did these people leave a country ruled by your beloved Petro?.

Hard to say, dear. Ever been to Colombia?

Wonderful beaches, superb scenery, the most fun-loving and kind people - and cheap!

Gordon would love it. The tourism's to die for. But do you know?

I don't think their wages are too good. If I was providing a gentleman's service and I had a choice between Medellin and Manhattan, I know which curb I'd rather crawl.

Ten years in the big smoke, retire in comfort. I may look into it myself.

You?

Me.. I'm watching the cricket.

Oh? I thought you'd be tuning in to Fox to watch the mass deportations.

There they are, all those prisoners, mental patients and worse, mental asylums seekers, taped up, bunged onto cargo planes and sent back to where they came from.

And they're the lucky ones. Did you know?

DL tried sending a few planeloads to Mexico. Mexico checked them out. Hang on, Mexico said, we can't take these. You've sent us a batch of Colombians, Venezuelans and - who's this? - Haitians. Who are you trying to fool?

DL sulked. Mexico didn't even let him unload his cargo - back to where they came from.

So unfair. Who knew Mexico were so fussy with their illegals?

6 minutes.

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