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Re: First Nuclear Power Plant Has Official Start Date
Reply #45 - Feb 3^rd, 2025 at 11:30pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2025 at 8:19pm:

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2025 at 5:47pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2025 at 9:19am:

The Chinese, Russians, Iranians and others already make huge trouble in Western societies through their manipulation of social media. Russian intelligence was highly active in propelling early iterations of Black Lives Matter.

I would be interested to see evidence for these claims someday.

What makes you think such evidence is available outside The Shadow Governments of this world?

Then why talk about something you have no evidence of? Roll Eyes

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Reply #46 - Feb 4^th, 2025 at 8:53am

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2025 at 11:30pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2025 at 8:19pm:

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2025 at 5:47pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2025 at 9:19am:

The Chinese, Russians, Iranians and others already make huge trouble in Western societies through their manipulation of social media. Russian intelligence was highly active in propelling early iterations of Black Lives Matter.

I would be interested to see evidence for these claims someday.

What makes you think such evidence is available outside The Shadow Governments of this world?

Then why talk about something you have no evidence of? Roll Eyes

That, grasshopper, is the secret.... everyone talks about it but has no evidence... why are YOU discussing it without evidence? See? My point is proven... besides - I was talking around it - not about it.... I didn't say one way or another about the Chinese, Russians and Iranis.... but is seems highly likely given their rampant Westophobia...

My first is a generalised comment of the issue, not on it - the second is a statement of possible affirmation of the scenario...

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Re: First Nuclear Power Plant Has Official Start Date
Reply #47 - Feb 4^th, 2025 at 6:21pm

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2025 at 9:44pm:

Does your "further reading" contradict anything in the wikipedia article, or does it just confuse you?

Yes the costs involved. So many assumptions, so few data points, other than "moderate" costing analysis. Wink

But you seem confused. You didn't know about CRP, how it was used, how it was calculated and the time period.

Now in the main article also assumptions and the costs particularly for Australia, which somehow didn't raise your eyebrows. Perhaps you don't have any, all that natural radiation. Wink

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Reply #48 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 9:36am

lee wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 6:21pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2025 at 9:44pm:

Does your "further reading" contradict anything in the wikipedia article, or does it just confuse you?

Yes the costs involved.

So why did you highlight your concerns about CO2 emissions from battery storage facilities associated with renewable energy?

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You didn't know about CRP,

I said you have no idea what it means. Just going by your feeble explanation.

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Re: First Nuclear Power Plant Has Official Start Date
Reply #49 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 9:56am

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 9:44am:

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The technology and spent fuel management systems are already there

Can you explain these "spent fuel management systems"?

All you need to know right here.

https://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage.html

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/nuclear-fuel-storage

These are just some of the references on this subject.

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Re: First Nuclear Power Plant Has Official Start Date
Reply #50 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 11:19am

Belgarion wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 9:56am:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 9:44am:

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The technology and spent fuel management systems are already there

Can you explain these "spent fuel management systems"?

All you need to know right here.

https://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage.html

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/nuclear-fuel-storage

These are just some of the references on this subject.

So you have no idea what your links say?

What estimate do they give for the cost of storing the radioactive waste until it is safe, and what method do they propose?

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Re: First Nuclear Power Plant Has Official Start Date
Reply #51 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 12:09pm

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 11:19am:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 9:56am:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 9:44am:

Quote:

The technology and spent fuel management systems are already there

Can you explain these "spent fuel management systems"?

All you need to know right here.

https://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage.html

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/nuclear-fuel-storage

These are just some of the references on this subject.

So you have no idea what your links say?

What estimate do they give for the cost of storing the radioactive waste until it is safe, and what method do they propose?

Unlike you anti nuclear Luddites, I read and understand the references I post. The first link has numerous references that will answer your questions, however to make it easy for you I will post another that addresses this question, which BTW, you did not ask in your original post.
https://www.iaea.org/publications/8123/costing-of-spent-fuel-storage

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Re: First Nuclear Power Plant Has Official Start Date
Reply #52 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 12:14pm

Belgarion wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 12:09pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 11:19am:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 9:56am:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 9:44am:

Quote:

The technology and spent fuel management systems are already there

Can you explain these "spent fuel management systems"?

All you need to know right here.

https://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage.html

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/nuclear-fuel-storage

These are just some of the references on this subject.

So you have no idea what your links say?

What estimate do they give for the cost of storing the radioactive waste until it is safe, and what method do they propose?

Unlike you anti nuclear Luddites, I read and understand the references I post. The first link has numerous references that will answer your questions, however to make it easy for you I will post another that addresses this question, which BTW, you did not ask in your original post.
https://www.iaea.org/publications/8123/costing-of-spent-fuel-storage

So how much does does it cost, and what method does it recommend?

Or do you still have no idea what your own links say?

They must be pretty special documents if they can have you convince yourself you understand the problem at the same time as rendering you incapable of answering the simplest questions.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75406 Gender:	Re: First Nuclear Power Plant Has Official Start Date Reply #53 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 12:29pm Belgarion wrote on Feb 1^st, 2025 at 7:32pm: Not to the same extent they are occurring now. A decade plus of the liberal govt having zero direction or policy will do that
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Re: First Nuclear Power Plant Has Official Start Date
Reply #54 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 5:49pm

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 12:14pm:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 12:09pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 11:19am:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 9:56am:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 9:44am:

Quote:

The technology and spent fuel management systems are already there

Can you explain these "spent fuel management systems"?

All you need to know right here.

https://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage.html

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/nuclear-fuel-storage

These are just some of the references on this subject.

So you have no idea what your links say?

What estimate do they give for the cost of storing the radioactive waste until it is safe, and what method do they propose?

Unlike you anti nuclear Luddites, I read and understand the references I post. The first link has numerous references that will answer your questions, however to make it easy for you I will post another that addresses this question, which BTW, you did not ask in your original post.
https://www.iaea.org/publications/8123/costing-of-spent-fuel-storage

So how much does does it cost, and what method does it recommend?

Or do you still have no idea what your own links say?

They must be pretty special documents if they can have you convince yourself you understand the problem at the same time as rendering you incapable of answering the simplest questions.

The answers are there for those with the ability to comprehend them. sadly this does not seem to be you.

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Re: First Nuclear Power Plant Has Official Start Date
Reply #55 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 6:58pm

Belgarion wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 5:49pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 12:14pm:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 12:09pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 11:19am:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 9:56am:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 9:44am:

Quote:

The technology and spent fuel management systems are already there

Can you explain these "spent fuel management systems"?

All you need to know right here.

https://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage.html

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/nuclear-fuel-storage

These are just some of the references on this subject.

So you have no idea what your links say?

What estimate do they give for the cost of storing the radioactive waste until it is safe, and what method do they propose?

Unlike you anti nuclear Luddites, I read and understand the references I post. The first link has numerous references that will answer your questions, however to make it easy for you I will post another that addresses this question, which BTW, you did not ask in your original post.
https://www.iaea.org/publications/8123/costing-of-spent-fuel-storage

So how much does does it cost, and what method does it recommend?

Or do you still have no idea what your own links say?

They must be pretty special documents if they can have you convince yourself you understand the problem at the same time as rendering you incapable of answering the simplest questions.

The answers are there for those with the ability to comprehend them. sadly this does not seem to be you.

You haven't even read them have you? That's why you do not realise they support my argument.

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Re: First Nuclear Power Plant Has Official Start Date
Reply #56 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 9:34pm

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 9:36am:

So why did you highlight your concerns about CO2 emissions from battery storage facilities associated with renewable energy?

So now you reckon CO2 emissions are not a cost. Grin

CO2 doesn't count, especially if we have a carbon tax. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 9:36am:

I said you have no idea what it means. Just going by your feeble explanation.

So you still don't understand. Grin

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So it doesn't matter what are included or excluded in your "levelized" costs. Only those wiki ascribes to count. Grin

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Reply #58 - Feb 6^th, 2025 at 8:29am

I get the feeling nuclear is a foregone conclusion... compared to miles and miles of monstrosities in the form of towers and windmills and such, it is much more scenonautically 'clean' despite the reality that dumping in the old deep mine shafts in Neunig Territory 'out there' might have to be used instead of as penetrating rods in armour piercing shells - for 'storage' ...

There is already a 'greenie movement' to prevent the scenery abuse in the Nullarbor.... such things breed strange bed-fellows...

It's a funny thing in the polls - some give 30% in support - others 60% odd in support - but of course, all say that not many will want to pay more for nuclear .. but that posed as a stand-alone question does not give the full picture.. they also won't want to pay more for windmills or panels... the Guardian pontificates that 'support for nuclear will vanish' at the next election.... but I'm not so sure.

Got a phone survey t'other day ... last question was about support for nuclear... main thrust was the Nationals - now let me be fair - I'm happy enough with our local lady National member at State level - not so with the Federeal, who's leaving anyway and is to be replaced by another dark horse while Barnaby remains the darkest horse in the race.... and I vote Indies (use the whip, Indy!) .... and I doubt any major party or Coalition will attract my vote this time around (again) ... but I'm still weighing up the ideas of masses of towers etc v nuclear .......

Convince me................ jeez - someone said they could convert some of the used-up coal stations to nuclear facilities.... I see Liddell and Wallerawang on the maps.... maybe even on Lake Macquarie down south... they're already wrecking the South Western side of The Lake with over-development .... I understand there are glowing reports of the possibilities there - after the stations were 'wound down' and sold off to mates.... (hello again!! - you know where to invest your dollars, right?).. RIGHT???

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18117 Gender:	Re: First Nuclear Power Plant Has Official Start Date Reply #59 - Feb 6^th, 2025 at 11:14am freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2025 at 7:16am: If you can make a coherent argument about it go ahead. Poor petal. Already done. You just don't have the wherewithal.
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