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Feb 3rd, 2025 at 7:07am
 
As with George W Bush before him - manufacturing dissent against Saddam Hussein's rule with his Iraqi 'Weapons of mass destruction' to justify extreme action, so too Trump has now embarked on a similar escapade...

Similar... but not identical.

Now the targets of dissent, Canada and Mexico, are in on the pantomime with the US to manufacture a reason for extreme actions under the cover of which all three can attempt to achieve an economic reset.

An economic reset, made imperative by the pandemic's exposure of immediate existential threats to all countries over-reliant on international imports for even the most basic necessities like food, let alone on medical supplies to maintain a defense against a future pandemic.


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Reply #1 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 7:22am
 

But it's real:

The death toll is enormous in the USA -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_drug_overdose_death_rates_and_totals...

Synthetic opioids other than methadone (primarily fentanyl) were
involved with 70,601 deaths in 2021.
Around 111,000 people died in 2022.
Around 108,500 in 2023.
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Reply #2 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 8:08am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 3rd, 2025 at 7:22am:
But it's real:

The death toll is enormous in the USA -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_drug_overdose_death_rates_and_totals...

Synthetic opioids other than methadone (primarily fentanyl) were
involved with 70,601 deaths in 2021.
Around 111,000 people died in 2022.
Around 108,500 in 2023.

Sure... and American citizens and companies have been producing and supplying synthetic opiates for years... That is what created the opioid crisis in the US in the first place, and the reason why codeine in Australia is now a Schedule 4 drug.
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Reply #3 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 10:48am
 
So... the tariffs on China... At 10%, while Canada and Mexico get 25%  ??!!

Well, that's a matter of the international hierarchy.

After the US, China is peerless... it cannot be treated like just any other country, least of all Canada and Mexico.

Accordingly, China gets a tariff of just 10%... that will be all that Xi Jinping signed up for.

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Reply #4 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 11:34am
 
The US should strive for greater self-sufficiency, but is a recession really the best way to achieve it?

Given Trump’s track record, especially while in office, his follow-through rarely extends beyond executive orders. His latest economic playbook is no different. Instead of laying the groundwork to strengthen local manufacturing before implementing tariffs, he’s gone straight for the blunt-force option: tariffs first, no real industrial strategy to support them.

The result?

Economic pain for ordinary Americans, with little to no gain, particularly in the short term.

And yet, you actually trust that Trump has some grander plan? Have you even looked into Project 2025 and what it outlines regarding government support for local industry?

Spoiler: it doesn’t prioritise subsidising or supporting local manufacturing at all. Instead, it’s a blueprint for slashing government involvement in the economy, cutting subsidies, and dismantling programs that support domestic industries.

Put simply, more incentive for the free-market to continue to prioritise profit over jobs, moving more things offshore and with the tariffs raising the prices their international competitors have to charge, they'll just raise their prices to match for more profit.

That leaves Trump with one economic lever: tariffs. No strategy, no investment, just economic disruption under the delusion that manufacturing will magically return. This isn’t leadership, it’s reckless economic vandalism.

And yet, you’re all cheering for him.
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Reply #5 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 12:54pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 3rd, 2025 at 11:34am:
The US should strive for greater self-sufficiency, but is a recession really the best way to achieve it?

Given Trump’s track record, especially while in office, his follow-through rarely extends beyond executive orders. His latest economic playbook is no different. Instead of laying the groundwork to strengthen local manufacturing before implementing tariffs, he’s gone straight for the blunt-force option: tariffs first, no real industrial strategy to support them.

The result?

Economic pain for ordinary Americans, with little to no gain, particularly in the short term.

And yet, you actually trust that Trump has some grander plan? Have you even looked into Project 2025 and what it outlines regarding government support for local industry?

Spoiler: it doesn’t prioritise subsidising or supporting local manufacturing at all. Instead, it’s a blueprint for slashing government involvement in the economy, cutting subsidies, and dismantling programs that support domestic industries.

Put simply, more incentive for the free-market to continue to prioritise profit over jobs, moving more things offshore and with the tariffs raising the prices their international competitors have to charge, they'll just raise their prices to match for more profit.

That leaves Trump with one economic lever: tariffs. No strategy, no investment, just economic disruption under the delusion that manufacturing will magically return. This isn’t leadership, it’s reckless economic vandalism.

And yet, you’re all cheering for him.


Yes, that's exactly what it is.


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Reply #6 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 2:04pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 3rd, 2025 at 11:34am:
The US should strive for greater self-sufficiency, but is a recession really the best way to achieve it?

Well, Keating said it first for Australia- the recession we had to have...

Maybe he was right... and we haven't had one since.

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Reply #7 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 2:12pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3rd, 2025 at 10:48am:
So... the tariffs on China... At 10%, while Canada and Mexico get 25%  ??!!

Well, that's a matter of the international hierarchy.

After the US, China is peerless... it cannot be treated like just any other country, least of all Canada and Mexico.

Accordingly, China gets a tariff of just 10%... that will be all that Xi Jinping signed up for.



Mexico have around 350bil trade surplus to America and Canada 200bil, I expect these to be drastically reduced to remove the tariffs. So its Trump and the American people versus Mexico and the democrats.
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Reply #8 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 2:24pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 3rd, 2025 at 11:34am:
The US should strive for greater self-sufficiency, but is a recession really the best way to achieve it?

Given Trump’s track record, especially while in office, his follow-through rarely extends beyond executive orders. His latest economic playbook is no different. Instead of laying the groundwork to strengthen local manufacturing before implementing tariffs, he’s gone straight for the blunt-force option: tariffs first, no real industrial strategy to support them.

The result?

Economic pain for ordinary Americans, with little to no gain, particularly in the short term.

And yet, you actually trust that Trump has some grander plan? Have you even looked into Project 2025 and what it outlines regarding government support for local industry?

Spoiler: it doesn’t prioritise subsidising or supporting local manufacturing at all. Instead, it’s a blueprint for slashing government involvement in the economy, cutting subsidies, and dismantling programs that support domestic industries.

Put simply, more incentive for the free-market to continue to prioritise profit over jobs, moving more things offshore and with the tariffs raising the prices their international competitors have to charge, they'll just raise their prices to match for more profit.

That leaves Trump with one economic lever: tariffs. No strategy, no investment, just economic disruption under the delusion that manufacturing will magically return. This isn’t leadership, it’s reckless economic vandalism.

And yet, you’re all cheering for him.



meh

america will be successful if the people are optomistic and free.

that translates to a president with extreme self belief and an end to over regulation.

trump, musk , doge are all steps in the right direction.

lets not forget that the size of government is an anchor around the economy

and with 95 % of washington voting democrat, its pretty obvious they think trump is going to take the blowtorch to them

that can only unleash entrepreneurial spirit and the mighty engine of small business, tech and entrepreneurs.

america succeeds or fails based on the enterprise of these people.

trump is the perfect catalyst for diminishing government

and elon is the perfect catalyst for unleashing entrepreneurial activity.


the fact trinkets on temu are going to cost 10 % more is of significance only to those stuck in consumer culture (the takers),   trump is about helping the creators, the lifters, the risk takers and job creators.

and remember the equation

success =  competancy X  self belief

trump isnt that competant but he makes up for it in self belief

and thats what the USA needs

self belief

self love

patriotism

an end to self attack and white guilt which erode self belief  Wink
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Reply #9 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 2:24pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3rd, 2025 at 2:04pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 3rd, 2025 at 11:34am:
The US should strive for greater self-sufficiency, but is a recession really the best way to achieve it?

Well, Keating said it first for Australia- the recession we had to have...

Maybe he was right... and we haven't had one since.



It could very well be.  But he's been promising to fix everything, much of it from day one.  It's a stark contrast to what he's doing.

But if he is trying to bring on a recession to help a reset, he's doing a good job.
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Reply #10 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 2:55pm
 
Trump's decrees, including tariffs, (in association with Canada, Mexico and China), are the equivalent of an Australian state/federal public service staff restructure - designed to be disruptive, and from which the most common outcome is the guarantee of more to come.

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Reply #11 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 3:38pm
 
The excuses being trotted out by the Trump loyalists to justify his actions, which have conspicuously failed to live up to the lofty promises he made, especially the deluge of “day one” guarantees, are nothing short of laughable. The contrast between what was promised and what has materialised, particularly when compared to the predictions of critics and those who genuinely engaged with his rhetoric, speaks volumes.

It’s fascinating to consider how the narrative would unfold if Biden were in charge instead.

In all likelihood, it would be prime time for flogging "I did this" stickers, wouldn't it?

But for Trump, they're reinterpreting his promises, as if they're bakers trying to make sense of Q drops, or flat-out lying and gaslighting.

Every part of this, from Trump's failures to the faithful response, is entirely going as predicted.

Yet they chose to, and continue to choose not to be able to see it.
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Reply #12 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 3:44pm
 
Canada and Mexico should know better than to try and screw over their fellow North Americans
But hey, they played the Lefty game and now it's biting them in the arse, just like it is for all Lefties from Argentina to Australia.
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Reply #13 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 3:44pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 3rd, 2025 at 3:38pm:
The excuses being trotted out by the Trump loyalists to justify his actions, which have conspicuously failed to live up to the lofty promises he made, especially the deluge of “day one” guarantees, are nothing short of laughable. The contrast between what was promised and what has materialised, particularly when compared to the predictions of critics and those who genuinely engaged with his rhetoric, speaks volumes.

It’s fascinating to consider how the narrative would unfold if Biden were in charge instead.

In all likelihood, it would be prime time for flogging "I did this" stickers, wouldn't it?

But for Trump, they're reinterpreting his promises, as if they're bakers trying to make sense of Q drops, or flat-out lying and gaslighting.

Every part of this, from Trump's failures to the faithful response, is entirely going as predicted.

Yet they chose to, and continue to choose not to be able to see it.

BREAKING: Nobody Cares About Your 17-Paragraph Political Rant


A new survey concluded that there was not a single soul who would be interested in reading any further political Facebook rants, finding that even the mothers of those writing and posting them would not care to read them.

"Save your time, effort, and brain power. Nobody cares," said one participant in the survey. "You're a member of one political party. You dislike everything the opposing political party does and says. You are outraged by something or other. We all get it. We don't need to read the extended version of your latest diatribe against the people you think are the problem with the country. Seriously, nobody cares. Save it."

Sources confirmed that continually posting long political rants on Facebook and other social media platforms was the worst use of a person's time. "Go sit outside. Absorb some sunshine," another survey respondent said. "The list of things people are more interested in than your political opinions is long and exhaustive. Even if someone somehow had the most momentary willingness to read what you're posting, they'd check out after the first paragraph. Paragraphs 2 through 17 are overkill at that point. Just don't."

At publishing time, an additional report also indicated that people were just as uninterested in seeing a picture of what you made for dinner last night.




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Reply #14 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 3:51pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3rd, 2025 at 2:04pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 3rd, 2025 at 11:34am:
The US should strive for greater self-sufficiency, but is a recession really the best way to achieve it?

Well, Keating said it first for Australia- the recession we had to have...

Maybe he was right... and we haven't had one since.



Sure, but the difference here is Americans will get tariffs for four years, they'll pay a fortune for nothing, and the next administration will be forced to pick up the pieces.
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