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Re: Is it too late to drain the Canberra swamp?
Reply #15 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 11:25am

Daves2017 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 11:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 10:18pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 10:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 9:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 9:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 9:40pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 9:39pm:

Ball park figures are correct.

Not even close.

The USA has a population of 330 million people and a government workforce of 5.2 million people.

Australia has a population of 30 million people and a government workforce of 365,400 people.

Pecca is a bullshitter

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Public sector employment and earnings

Contains estimates of public sector employees and cash wages and salaries by level of government, state and industry

Key statistics

There were 2,517,900 public sector employees in the month of June 2024 comprising:

365,400 employees in Commonwealth government (including defence force personnel)

;

1,939,100 in State government;

213,500 in Local government.

Total public sector cash wages and salaries in 2023-24 was $232,136.6 million.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/employment-and-unemployment/public-sect...

Nearly 10% of all jobs in Australia are funded by taxpayers.

We need to reduce this number so these people contribute to Australia instead of being an albatross around taxpayers necks.

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[s]Your own link shows I'm 100% correct.

We're discussing federal government.[s/]

The USA has a population of 330 million people and a (federal) government workforce of 5.2 million people.

Australia has a population of 30 million people and a (federal) government workforce of 365,400 people.

The OP wasn't about federal read it again.

The OP was intentionally deceptive.

Nein, I made it clear I could not quote it as it was a radio show.

Chris Smith on 2sm made the comment ( as best I have remember them) just before signing off at midday 4/2/2025.

If anyone could be bothered I’m sure the recording is available?

I have not tried to be deceptive in anyway.

Yes, I believe that.

However, I'm sure that Chris Smith dickhead did it on purpose.

Never heard of him before, but from what I've found out about him now I have no doubt that he intentionally provided misleading figures.

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Re: Is it too late to drain the Canberra swamp?
Reply #16 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 11:48am

By showing the way with the Federeal .. Voldemort influences the now or soon-to-be LNP states to start the same process... look deeply into their costs and benefits... wonder YTF they have duplicate federeal and state agencies etc... why there are all these Star Chamber 'commissions' dotted all over the PS landscape achieving buggar-all..... why we even need anyone outside the established established to determine our needs in submarines and such... why there are so many jobs for the girls, so many for the boys, and so many for the pet groups doing buggar-all but whine and cause trouble. Look at the silliness of some of those - a 'human rights commission' that ignores humanity as a whole and specialises in minority groups only.... (you've seen the list of priorities I once posted for you that they have)..

...... drain one swamp and you show the way to draining the rest...

Now then -about that affirmative action to restore balance between men and women, between straights and weirdoes, and recover the True Gender Wage Gap Crisis where men are being paid nearly 10% less per hour worked..... being raped of 10% an hour to suit lies.... and put everyone on a genuinely equal footing... including in schooling at the younger ages...

Hands up those who think that men headmasters etc would have not noticed perverts among the staff abusing children - and then taken action?

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Re: Is it too late to drain the Canberra swamp?
Reply #18 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 3:10pm

Daves2017 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 9:29pm:

Chris Smith on 2sm morning radio made a interesting comment today.

I can’t quote exactly so please correct me if I’m wrong but I’ll put it in ball park figures.

The USA has a population of 330 million people and a government workforce of 2.7 million people.

Australia has a population of 30 million people and a government workforce of 2.5 million people.

If this is correct we are way pass needing a plumber to fix the country.

We need to call in professional pest control and eradicate the problem!

Ahh. Good OP Dave.

The problem you have is that Australia's Political future can never be like America's, up there in the Northern Hemisphere.
It's been trying hard to be, since the Greedy is Good 80's, but Australia has been swimming hard 'against the current' in doing so and the cracks are starting to show.

Australia's Southern Hemisphere political future will be a political Majority population under the 'power' of an Art Industry Minority at the top of the pyramid.
The 'reverse' of America which has Politics in power at the top with a Minority population, but a very large Majority population of the peanut paying Art Industry.

Sure, you can say "But that isn't the case here." and you be right. But Australia will eventually Politically fracture and shatter (like Yugoslavia) into many Independent nations like Cape York, Riverina, Sterling, Wimmera and lots more. Where the Shires hold the 'power' and the weakest political figures are the Prime Ministers (servants of USA) and Governor-Generals for Great Britain as representatives.

We saw just a glimpse of it during Covid Lockdowns where the States were suddenly the political priority over the Federal, that looked like it was out of work. Australia economically boomed to become #1 in the world until the Feds said " you're all vaccinated, let the Virus in!"

Power:
Aust: Art individual, Politics people.
USA: Art people, Politics individual.

So expect Australia's political sector to keep growing in numbers as the $$$ is spread among the common people of this here common wealth.

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Re: Is it too late to drain the Canberra swamp?
Reply #19 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 3:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 11:25am:

Daves2017 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 11:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 10:18pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 10:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 9:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 9:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 9:40pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 9:39pm:

Ball park figures are correct.

Not even close.

The USA has a population of 330 million people and a government workforce of 5.2 million people.

Australia has a population of 30 million people and a government workforce of 365,400 people.

Pecca is a bullshitter

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Public sector employment and earnings

Contains estimates of public sector employees and cash wages and salaries by level of government, state and industry

Key statistics

There were 2,517,900 public sector employees in the month of June 2024 comprising:

365,400 employees in Commonwealth government (including defence force personnel)

;

1,939,100 in State government;

213,500 in Local government.

Total public sector cash wages and salaries in 2023-24 was $232,136.6 million.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/employment-and-unemployment/public-sect...

Nearly 10% of all jobs in Australia are funded by taxpayers.

We need to reduce this number so these people contribute to Australia instead of being an albatross around taxpayers necks.

Lol

[s]Your own link shows I'm 100% correct.

We're discussing federal government.[s/]

The USA has a population of 330 million people and a (federal) government workforce of 5.2 million people.

Australia has a population of 30 million people and a (federal) government workforce of 365,400 people.

The OP wasn't about federal read it again.

The OP was intentionally deceptive.

Nein, I made it clear I could not quote it as it was a radio show.

Chris Smith on 2sm made the comment ( as best I have remember them) just before signing off at midday 4/2/2025.

If anyone could be bothered I’m sure the recording is available?

I have not tried to be deceptive in anyway.

Yes, I believe that.

However, I'm sure that Chris Smith dickhead did it on purpose.

Never heard of him before, but from what I've found out about him now I have no doubt that he intentionally provided misleading figures.

Provide the true figures then.

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Re: Is it too late to drain the Canberra swamp?
Reply #20 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 5:30pm

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In November 2024, the federal government employed just over 3 million people, or 1.87% of the entire civilian workforce, according to BLS data. That figure doesn't count the roughly 1.3 million active-duty military personnel, who aren't typically considered “employees.”7 Jan 2025

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Re: Is it too late to drain the Canberra swamp?
Reply #21 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 6:34pm

Daves2017 wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 5:30pm:

These are results for how many public servants in australia
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Why not quote the whole result?

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As of June 2024, Australia had 2,517,900 public sector employees. This includes: 365,400 employees in the Commonwealth government, 1,939,100 employees in state government, and 213,500 employees in local government

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Reply #22 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 9:13pm

Public sector is not the same as the public service.

For example, higher education staff are not employed as Commonwealth or State public servants but ARE paid from Commonwealth grants even as most universities are statutory authorities established by State legislations (few exceptions like ANU and the privates)

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Reply #23 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 10:26pm

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There were 2,517,900 public sector employees in the month of June 2024 comprising:

365,400 employees in Commonwealth government (including defence force personnel);
1,939,100 in State government; and
213,500 in Local government.
Total public sector cash wages and salaries in 2023-24 was $232,136.6 million.

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Total Defence workforce

At 30 June 2024, Defence had a permanent workforce of 76,691, comprising 57,226 permanent ADF members (Service categories 6 and 7, excluding ADF Gap Year participants (Service option G)), and 19,465 ongoing APS employees.

https://www.transparency.gov.au/publications/defence/department-of-defence/depar...

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Labour Force, Australia

full-time employment decreased by 23,700 to 10,037,600 people.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/employment-and-unemployment/labour-force-australia/dec-2024

Excluding military we have 288,709 people employed by the taxpayer in Federal Government.

Therefore we have 2,441,209 Australians (not including military) with taxpayer funded jobs.

We have 10,037,600 people in full time work

Around 25% of full time jobs in Australia are funded by taxpayers

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Re: Is it too late to drain the Canberra swamp?
Reply #24 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 10:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 6:34pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 5:30pm:

These are results for how many public servants in australia
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2,517,900

Why not quote the whole result?

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As of June 2024, Australia had 2,517,900 public sector employees. This includes: 365,400 employees in the Commonwealth government, 1,939,100 employees in state government, and 213,500 employees in local government

Source

I just type the question into google.
It’s very easy.
I acknowledged my source under the copy and paste.

Thinking about it the number is significantly higher.

Look at the Star Casino fiasco and a private company demanding the government fund them in someway to save 9000 “private sector jobs” secured by public money.

Private schools? Same deal, public money funding private enterprise.

Private hospitals?

It’s apparently a private enterprise right to be publicly funded?

How many more workers does that put on the taxpayer teat?

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Re: Is it too late to drain the Canberra swamp?
Reply #25 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 10:57pm

Daves2017 wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 10:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 6:34pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 5:30pm:

These are results for how many public servants in australia
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2,517,900

Why not quote the whole result?

Quote:

As of June 2024, Australia had 2,517,900 public sector employees. This includes: 365,400 employees in the Commonwealth government, 1,939,100 employees in state government, and 213,500 employees in local government

Source

I just type the question into google.
It’s very easy.
I acknowledged my source under the copy and paste.

As did I,

Why not quote the whole result?

Quote:

As of June 2024, Australia had 2,517,900 public sector employees. This includes: 365,400 employees in the Commonwealth government, 1,939,100 employees in state government, and 213,500 employees in local government

Source

The difference is I quoted the whole answer, you didn't. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Is it too late to drain the Canberra swamp?
Reply #26 - Feb 5^th, 2025 at 11:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 10:57pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 10:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 6:34pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Feb 5^th, 2025 at 5:30pm:

These are results for how many public servants in australia
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2,517,900

Why not quote the whole result?

Quote:

As of June 2024, Australia had 2,517,900 public sector employees. This includes: 365,400 employees in the Commonwealth government, 1,939,100 employees in state government, and 213,500 employees in local government

Source

I just type the question into google.
It’s very easy.
I acknowledged my source under the copy and paste.

As did I,

Why not quote the whole result?

Quote:

As of June 2024, Australia had 2,517,900 public sector employees. This includes: 365,400 employees in the Commonwealth government, 1,939,100 employees in state government, and 213,500 employees in local government

Source

The difference is I quoted the whole answer, you didn't. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You left this part out bwhine

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Since June 2022, there has been an additional 169,500 people employed in the public sector.

Labor has created another 169,500 taxpayer funded jobs since June 2022.

Is the Indigenous Ambassador who is on $350K a year one of these Labor created taxpayer funded jobs?

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Re: Is it too late to drain the Canberra swamp?
Reply #27 - Feb 6^th, 2025 at 8:37am

'Indigenous Ambassador' and full staff etc - FFS.. more politics of division that I warned Albo to stay away from - and just one more absurd and useless government body to be paid for... ARE they Australian citizens or are they not? That is the only question! If they are they cannot have a separate Apartheid Ambassador and separate rights and separate laws - if they are not they require a visa to remain here and have no right to privileges of citizenship such as dole, pension, vote, etc.

No wonder AlboCorp is going down like a shot B-17 ... it looms large in the thoughts....

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Re: Is it too late to drain the Canberra swamp?
Reply #28 - Feb 15^th, 2025 at 10:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 4^th, 2025 at 9:42pm:

I should have been a public servant -
nice pay if you can get it -

https://www.afr.com/politics/these-32-public-servants-earn-more-than-1-million-2...

Highest-paid public sector employees

Agency    Name    Role    Total*

1    NBN    Stephen Rue    CEO    $3,037,016

2    Australia Post    Paul Graham    CEO    $2,385,610

3    Western Sydney Airport    Simon Hickey    CEO    $1,610,978

4    Future Fund    Raphael Arndt    CEO    $1,563,561

5    NBN    Kathrine Dyer    COO    $1,519,571

6    Snowy Hydro    Roger Whitby    COO    $1,475,610

7    Future Fund    Ben Samild    Deputy CIO    $1,373,300

8    Snowy Hydro    Iain Graham    CEO, Red Energy    $1,339,285

9    Commonwealth Superannuation Corporation    Alison Tarditi    CIO    $1,325,553

10    Snowy Hydro    Gordon Wymer    Chief commercial officer    $1,318,978

11    Australia Post    Rod Barnes    EGM network operations    $1,283,008

12    Future Fund    Alicia Gregory    Deputy CIO    $1,279,967

13    NBN    Will Irving    Chief strategy and transformation officer    $1,275,094

14    Future Fund    Not disclosed    Not disclosed    $1,248,036

15    Snowy Hydro    Paul Broad    Former CEO    $1,220,412

16    NBN    Philip Knox    CFO    $1,218,992

17    Australia Post    Rodney Boys    CFO    $1,198,563

18    Australia Post    Gary Starr    EGM parcel, post and eCommerce    $1,196,625

19    Future Fund    Not disclosed    Not disclosed    $1,194,397

20    Australia Post    Catriona Noble    EGM Retail, brand and marketing    $1,189,097

21    ABC    David Anderson    CEO and managing editor    $1,156,969

22    Reserve Bank of Australia    Philip Lowe    Governor    $1,147,465

23    Australia Post    Susan Davies    EGM people and culture    $1,143,204

24    Australia Post    Not disclosed    Not disclosed    $1,109,190

25    Federal Circuit and Family Court    William Alstergren    Chief justice    $1,097,339

26    Future Fund    Not disclosed    Not disclosed    $1,071,472

27    Defence    General Angus Campbell    Chief of the defence force    $1,062,702

28    NBN    John Parkin    Chief engineering officer    $1,052,988

29    Commonwealth Superannuation Corporation    Damian Hill    CEO    $1,038,474

30    Snowy Hydro    Gabrielle Curtin    Group executive    $1,035,649

31    Future Fund    Cameron Price    General counsel and chief risk officer    $1,011,614

32    Defence    Greg Moriarty    Secetary    $1,006,474

https://wentworthreport.com/2025/02/15/australias-top-bureaucrats-are-the-best-p...

Australia’s top bureaucrats are the best paid in the world.

15th Feb 2025

By Chris Uhlmann in The Australian.

Who do you think gets paid more, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the US or his Australian counterpart, the Chief of the Defence Force? …

In our dollars the American defence boss gets $382,000 a year and, according to Defence’s latest annual report, Australia’s chief got $1,135,524 in 2023-24. … Try to mount a coherent argument as to why Australia should boast the highest paid military man in the world, one who gets to within a rounding error of earning three times the pay of his US counterpart. …

Australia’s top mandarin, the secretary of Prime Minister and Cabinet, was paid $1,086,846 in 2024. … The White House chief of staff is [paid] $294,813. … Britain’s highest ranking civil servant is the cabinet secretary, [which] comes with a pay packet of $400,274.85.

A rung down from the head of PM&C are the secretaries of Treasury, Defence, Health and Aged Care. They each take home $986,120 a year. The lowest paid of the 16 departmental heads gets a miserly $809,130. That is still more than $200,000 more than the Prime Minister ($607,471).

Search the globe and it turns out Australia has the highest paid senior bureaucrats in the world. The only serious contender for that title is Singapore. Why on earth should this be the case? …

Former public service commissioner Andrew Podger believes the pay of top bureaucrats is too high and based on “spurious market comparisons” with the private sector. …

So here is an election year thought for both parties: pledge to halve the wages of departmental heads and freeze them until they conjure ideas that lift the suffocating regulatory burden of government. …

Any secretary who violently disagreed with the idea could resign and test the idea that they will make more in the private sector.

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Reply #29 - Feb 15^th, 2025 at 11:29pm

.. and they all just happen to be old mates in some way... it's a form of robbery ...

Nah... NAH! Pledge to get rid of your appointed mates in those sweet rides and stop the party influence amounting to control direct over the PS, resulting in the destruction of one of the pillars of division of powers.... THAT's what the whole game was about when it started... having not only top dogs appointed under contract - meaning they were under direct orders and you'd better believe they'll toe the party line - but it also opened up some juicy spots for a few undeserving old mates.

Results to date - Robberdebt and a few others, for example, haven't shown their abilities in a good light - nor their impact on the independence of the public service...

While we're at it - how many Falcon ministers and assistant ministers do we need here? Can't the Minister for Paper Cuts be included in OH & S? How many 'treasurers' does it take to receive reports from public service flunkeys? WTF are they there for anyway? What use are they? Why not just send the office boy around and slip the reports through the doors of Cabinet ....

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