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Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Feb 19^th, 2025 at 9:27am

Once again, Trump shows what a colossal ignoramus he really is. He is blaming Ukraine for starting the war with Russia and says Ukraine never should have started it. Just what alternate reality is this moron living in? Is he serious? I have never heard something so monumentally stupid come out of his mouth, and that's saying something because hardly a day goes by without him saying something so stupid it beggars belief! He then goes on with some ridiculous fantasy where he claims he could have made a deal (what is with him and deals?) that would have seen Ukraine keep "almost" all of their land. I never thought Trump possessed even below average intelligence, but his latest comments just serve to prove he lacks any intelligence whatsoever! I don't know if he has dementia or some genuine mental illness, but no one in their right mind could ever claim that Ukraine started this war with Russia. Why would they? It would be like New Zealand declaring war on China. I honestly think Trump needs to be relieved of his presidency as he is clear mentally unfit to hold that office.

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-press-accuses-us-officials-of-black...

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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #1 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 9:51am

I wonder what shitfu

ckery

will be employed (can't say "tactics" otherwise Frank will have a meltdown), to defend this...

At first, I thought they’d scramble to claim that Trump didn’t actually mean what he said, or that we all somehow misunderstood him. But that excuse is off the table, after all, he’s endlessly worshipped as the guy who “tells it like it is.” You can’t have it both ways.

I wonder what desperate mental gymnastics they’ll resort to next.

We already know they won’t admit he’s either openly siding with Russia or too catastrophically stupid to grasp the reality of the situation. That doesn’t leave many alternatives, does it?

Watching them contort themselves to justify this will be entertaining.

I suppose we’re expected to take his words in a vacuum, conveniently ignoring little details, like Jr’s post-election jab about Zelensky having just 38 days left before his allowance gets cut off.

But sure, let’s all pretend none of that means anything.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139596 Gender:	Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war Reply #2 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 10:47am I guess he thinks Poland shouldn't have started WWII by invading Germany Such a clueless moron.
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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #3 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 10:57am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 10:47am:

I guess he thinks Poland shouldn't have started WWII by invading Germany Roll Eyes

Such a clueless moron.

His comments on this really are indefensible, but you know what the worst, saddest, most pathetic and/or insane part of all this is? His deranged MAGA cult members will agree with him 110% despite there not being a shred of truth in it.

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Reply #4 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:01am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 10:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 10:47am:

I guess he thinks Poland shouldn't have started WWII by invading Germany Roll Eyes

Such a clueless moron.

His comments on this really are indefensible, but you know what the worst, saddest, most pathetic and/or insane part of all this is? His deranged MAGA cult members will agree with him 110% despite there not being a shred of truth in it.

Yep, that's exactly right.

Whatever the dear leader says is true.

But hey, it's not a cult.

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Reply #5 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:01am

KangAnon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 9:51am:

I wonder what shitfu

ckery

will be employed (can't say "tactics" otherwise Frank will have a meltdown), to defend this...

At first, I thought they’d scramble to claim that Trump didn’t actually mean what he said, or that we all somehow misunderstood him. But that excuse is off the table, after all, he’s endlessly worshipped as the guy who “tells it like it is.” You can’t have it both ways.

I wonder what desperate mental gymnastics they’ll resort to next.

We already know they won’t admit he’s either openly siding with Russia or too catastrophically stupid to grasp the reality of the situation. That doesn’t leave many alternatives, does it?

Watching them contort themselves to justify this will be entertaining.

I suppose we’re expected to take his words in a vacuum, conveniently ignoring little details, like Jr’s post-election jab about Zelensky having just 38 days left before his allowance gets cut off.

But sure, let’s all pretend none of that means anything.

I feel desperately sorry for the people of Ukraine with Trump and his team of lunatics running the show now. They are going to be so monumentally screwed by Trump that they don't even know it. Think of the worst possible outcome, no matter how outlandish it may seem, and that's probably going to be the outcome for the people of Ukraine. But even then, Trump will congratulate himself on being the best deal maker in history and his MAGA cult nutjobs will be falling over themselves believing it.

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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #6 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:09am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:01am:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 9:51am:

I wonder what shitfu

ckery

will be employed (can't say "tactics" otherwise Frank will have a meltdown), to defend this...

At first, I thought they’d scramble to claim that Trump didn’t actually mean what he said, or that we all somehow misunderstood him. But that excuse is off the table, after all, he’s endlessly worshipped as the guy who “tells it like it is.” You can’t have it both ways.

I wonder what desperate mental gymnastics they’ll resort to next.

We already know they won’t admit he’s either openly siding with Russia or too catastrophically stupid to grasp the reality of the situation. That doesn’t leave many alternatives, does it?

Watching them contort themselves to justify this will be entertaining.

I suppose we’re expected to take his words in a vacuum, conveniently ignoring little details, like Jr’s post-election jab about Zelensky having just 38 days left before his allowance gets cut off.

But sure, let’s all pretend none of that means anything.

I feel desperately sorry for the people of Ukraine with Trump and his team of lunatics running the show now. They are going to be so monumentally screwed by Trump that they don't even know it. Think of the worst possible outcome, no matter how outlandish it may seem, and that's probably going to be the outcome for the people of Ukraine. But even then, Trump will congratulate himself on being the best deal maker in history and his MAGA cult nutjobs will be falling over themselves believing it.

There do have the option of keep fighting Russia until there is no one left.

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Reply #7 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:41am

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:09am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:01am:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 9:51am:

I wonder what shitfu

ckery

will be employed (can't say "tactics" otherwise Frank will have a meltdown), to defend this...

At first, I thought they’d scramble to claim that Trump didn’t actually mean what he said, or that we all somehow misunderstood him. But that excuse is off the table, after all, he’s endlessly worshipped as the guy who “tells it like it is.” You can’t have it both ways.

I wonder what desperate mental gymnastics they’ll resort to next.

We already know they won’t admit he’s either openly siding with Russia or too catastrophically stupid to grasp the reality of the situation. That doesn’t leave many alternatives, does it?

Watching them contort themselves to justify this will be entertaining.

I suppose we’re expected to take his words in a vacuum, conveniently ignoring little details, like Jr’s post-election jab about Zelensky having just 38 days left before his allowance gets cut off.

But sure, let’s all pretend none of that means anything.

I feel desperately sorry for the people of Ukraine with Trump and his team of lunatics running the show now. They are going to be so monumentally screwed by Trump that they don't even know it. Think of the worst possible outcome, no matter how outlandish it may seem, and that's probably going to be the outcome for the people of Ukraine. But even then, Trump will congratulate himself on being the best deal maker in history and his MAGA cult nutjobs will be falling over themselves believing it.

There do have the option of keep fighting Russia until there is no one left.

Yeah, now you're just being a troll. You do realise that real people are dying, right? I know of a Ukrainian family living in my town right now while the father/husband fights the Russians back in Ukraine. They don't know if they'll return home one day to him being alive or dead, and it's all because of a murderous lunatic called Putin.

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Reply #8 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:51am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:41am:

Yeah, now you're just being a troll. You do realise that real people are dying, right? I know of a Ukrainian family living in my town right now while the father/husband fights the Russians back in Ukraine. They don't know if they'll return home one day to him being alive or dead, and it's all because of a murderous lunatic called Putin.

OK then you tell me how this war should end and how they will achieve that.

What is your priority here is it to stop the killings or is it to recover land?.

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Reply #9 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 12:25pm

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:41am:

Yeah, now you're just being a troll. You do realise that real people are dying, right? I know of a Ukrainian family living in my town right now while the father/husband fights the Russians back in Ukraine. They don't know if they'll return home one day to him being alive or dead, and it's all because of a murderous lunatic called Putin.

OK then you tell me how this war should end and how they will achieve that.

What is your priority here is it to stop the killings or is it to recover land?.

First and foremost, Ukraine MUST be involved in any negotiations regarding the cessation of hostilities. Why? Because they're the ones who have to live with whatever the agreement may be, not Trump or his MAGA cult members. The people of Ukraine don't care what Trumps' poll numbers are or will be. Ukraine did not start this war - they are the victims, not Putin. They just want to live in peace. Ukraine must be granted NATO membership, so that this can never happen again. There will need to be an European-led international peace keeping force for some years to ensure Russia stays out of Ukraine and doesn't attempt to invade any neighbouring countries.

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Reply #10 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 12:31pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 12:25pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:41am:

Yeah, now you're just being a troll. You do realise that real people are dying, right? I know of a Ukrainian family living in my town right now while the father/husband fights the Russians back in Ukraine. They don't know if they'll return home one day to him being alive or dead, and it's all because of a murderous lunatic called Putin.

OK then you tell me how this war should end and how they will achieve that.

What is your priority here is it to stop the killings or is it to recover land?.

First and foremost, Ukraine MUST be involved in any negotiations regarding the cessation of hostilities. Why? Because they're the ones who have to live with whatever the agreement may be, not Trump or his MAGA cult members. The people of Ukraine don't care what Trumps' poll numbers are or will be. Ukraine did not start this war - they are the victims, not Putin. They just want to live in peace. Ukraine must be granted NATO membership, so that this can never happen again. There will need to be an European-led international peace keeping force for some years to ensure Russia stays out of Ukraine and doesn't attempt to invade any neighbouring countries.

So what is the priority here.

If Ukraine are going to join NATO then Putin is going to keep fighting.

If NATO put a peace keeping force in Ukraine then they will also keep the war going.

Russia is going to stop NATO from having any military influence in Ukraine, they will not negotiate on that matter.

Whats more important here, get NATO into Ukraine (prepare for the consequences of that) or to stop Ukrainians from being killed.

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Reply #11 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:08pm

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 12:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 12:25pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:41am:

Yeah, now you're just being a troll. You do realise that real people are dying, right? I know of a Ukrainian family living in my town right now while the father/husband fights the Russians back in Ukraine. They don't know if they'll return home one day to him being alive or dead, and it's all because of a murderous lunatic called Putin.

OK then you tell me how this war should end and how they will achieve that.

What is your priority here is it to stop the killings or is it to recover land?.

First and foremost, Ukraine MUST be involved in any negotiations regarding the cessation of hostilities. Why? Because they're the ones who have to live with whatever the agreement may be, not Trump or his MAGA cult members. The people of Ukraine don't care what Trumps' poll numbers are or will be. Ukraine did not start this war - they are the victims, not Putin. They just want to live in peace. Ukraine must be granted NATO membership, so that this can never happen again. There will need to be an European-led international peace keeping force for some years to ensure Russia stays out of Ukraine and doesn't attempt to invade any neighbouring countries.

So what is the priority here.

If Ukraine are going to join NATO then Putin is going to keep fighting.

If NATO put a peace keeping force in Ukraine then they will also keep the war going.

Russia is going to stop NATO from having any military influence in Ukraine, they will not negotiate on that matter.

Whats more important here, get NATO into Ukraine (prepare for the consequences of that) or to stop Ukrainians from being killed.

Why do you support Russia? Huh

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Reply #12 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:11pm

It's weird logic - it appears to be victim blaming?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5151545-trump-ukraine-zelensky-war-r...

Trump says Zelensky ‘should have never started’ war with Russia

by Brett Samuels - 02/18/25 6:03 PM ET

President Trump on Tuesday appeared to blame Ukraine’s leaders for the three-year war with Russia, arguing Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky “should have never started it.”

Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, after massing troops on the border and demanding a ban on Ukraine ever joining the NATO alliance. The invasion took place nearly a decade after Russia took over Crimea from Ukraine in 2014.

Trump vowed to end the war during his presidential campaign and on Tuesday repeated his claim that the war would never have started if he had been president. He spoke after U.S. and Russian officials met in Saudi Arabia without Ukraine officials.

“I think I have the power to end this war. And I think it’s going very well,” Trump told reporters at Mar-a-Lago on the heels of the meeting between U.S. and Russian officials.

“But today I heard, ‘Oh, well we weren’t invited.’ Well, you’ve been there for three years,” Trump continued. “You should’ve ended it in three years. You should have never started it. You could have made a deal. I could have made a deal for Ukraine that would have given them almost all of the land, and no people would have been killed, and no city would have been demolished and not one dome would have been knocked down. But they chose not to do it that way.”

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Reply #13 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:17pm

Not only did Trump claim Ukraine started the war the US is also blackmailing Ukraine into signing over critical resources for their support....Ukraine will never accept the terms of the deal so what then....Trump will end the war and Ukraine???

Huh

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-press-accuses-us-officials-of-black...

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20538 Perth Gender:	Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war Reply #14 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:21pm Quote: bobby It's weird logic - it appears to be victim blaming? Like claiming he never had sex with horse face despite paying her a hundred thousand dollars....Trump doesn't worry about the facts or the truth, just ask Aqua who thinks it is admirable to be a liar and a cheat???
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