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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #45 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 7:40pm
 
KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 3:46pm:
My thoughts are that the whole problem should have been sorted out
by the United Nations over 3 years ago.
Did Putin try to get the UN to solve it?
He had many meetings with Macron but I don't remember anything
happening at the UN.


It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?



I am only trying to see who's at fault here?

Why did Putin have so little trust in the UN that he bypassed them
and went straight into a murderous war?
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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #46 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 7:51pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 7:40pm:
KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 3:46pm:
My thoughts are that the whole problem should have been sorted out
by the United Nations over 3 years ago.
Did Putin try to get the UN to solve it?
He had many meetings with Macron but I don't remember anything
happening at the UN.


It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?



I am only trying to see who's at fault here?

Why did Putin have so little trust in the UN that he bypassed them
and went straight into a murderous war?


Trying to look at both sides will put you on the supporting Russia list.
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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #47 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:04pm
 
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 7:51pm:
Trying to look at both sides will put you on the supporting Russia list.



There is a lot of history we are not told in the West:


https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/ukrainian-rightists-burn-alive-39-at-odessa...


Ukrainian rightists burn alive 39 at Odessa union building


May 5, 2014 3:12 PM CDT  By John Wojcik



Some 1,000 Ukrainian rightists, led by the notorious Right Sector, surrounded, stormed, and burned the House of Trade Unions in Odessa last Friday, killing 39 pro-Russia demonstrators in the building.

On their way to attacking the union hall, which was occupied by anti-Kiev government demonstrators fearing for their lives, the rightists recruited members of a Ukrainian football club, the Chernomorets, according to numerous reports in the European press and on line.

Many of those who attacked and burned the building wore swastikas and other fascist insignias, according to observers. Eye witnesses said that the fascists were armed with bats, shields, and metal chains and that the people inside the union hall had run there for protection from them. After the attack by the rightists streets around the trade union headquarters were reportedly stained with the blood of those who had jumped from windows to escape the flames.

Women and children were reported to be among those burned alive after initial rounds of shots and Molotov cocktails were thrown into the building by the right wingers.
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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #48 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:07pm
 

More:

https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/conflict-ukraines-donbas-visual-explainer

The armed conflict in Eastern Ukraine started in 2014.
Between then and early 2022, it had already  killed over 14,000 people.


Over the course of eight years, Ukrainian government forces fought  Russian-backed separatists for control over much of the two heavily industrialised regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, also known as Donbas. Fierce battles in 2014-2015 ended with one third of the regions’ territory, its most urbanised part, occupied by two Russian proxy statelets, the  self-described Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics. Between September 2014 and February 2015, Russia, Ukraine, France and Germany signed several iterations of the so-called Minsk agreements, which eventually stopped the forward movement of troops and reduced fighting significantly. But the agreements were never implemented, and the fighting transformed into a trench war, with roughly 75,000 troops facing off along a 420-km-long front line cutting through densely populated areas. The war ruined the area’s economy and heavy industries, forced millions to relocate and turned the conflict zone into one of the world’s most mine-contaminated areas.

This visual explainer shows both the human cost of the war from 2014-early 2022 and the relationships between diplomatic efforts at de-escalation and patterns of fighting and loss of life.
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Reply #49 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:41pm
 
Every day there are a handful of new clear lies from Donald but the faithful just keep bobbling along oblivious to the world around them just not caring that their emperor has no clothes and a bad dye job.
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Reply #50 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm
 
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm:
It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?


Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump.


Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today.

All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024.
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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #51 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:49pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:41pm:
Every day there are a handful of new clear lies from Donald but the faithful just keep bobbling along oblivious to the world around them just not caring that their emperor has no clothes and a bad dye job.

You are an idiot, duckwit. If there was no Trump your life would simply end - there is nothing in it besides deranged seething duckwittery.  Your life IS about Trump, nothing else.
Ditto creepy gweggy shite, sad ****, paki and a few others. Your hate and resentment is all there is to you, deranged, unmoored ratbags.

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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #52 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:50pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm:
It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?


Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump.


Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today.

All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024.


Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?.
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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #53 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:21pm
 
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:50pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm:
It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?


Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump.


Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today.

All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024.


Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?.


So just give Ukraine to Russia and support the crazy Dictator and then wonder who he invades next while the the rest of the world is hiding under the bed - Great plan that one is.

Also remember that Ukraine have held Russia at bay for 3 years - People said it would be 3 days and the filthy republicans blocked arms supply for a long time when Ukraine were in a stronger position.

Between the crazy dictator in Russia and the crazy dictator in the US the would is in a heap of trouble.
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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #54 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:48pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:21pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:50pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm:
It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?


Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump.


Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today.

All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024.


Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?.


So just give Ukraine to Russia and support the crazy Dictator and then wonder who he invades next while the the rest of the world is hiding under the bed - Great plan that one is.


If you want be tough then you tell Putin to get out or you will kick him out. Then you have to prepared to carry that out.

At the moment the rest of the world is hiding under the bed.
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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #55 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:51pm
 
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:48pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:21pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:50pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm:
It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?


Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump.


Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today.

All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024.


Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?.


So just give Ukraine to Russia and support the crazy Dictator and then wonder who he invades next while the the rest of the world is hiding under the bed - Great plan that one is.

Also remember that Ukraine have held Russia at bay for 3 years - People said it would be 3 days and the filthy republicans blocked arms supply for a long time when Ukraine were in a stronger position.

Between the crazy dictator in Russia and the crazy dictator in the US the would is in a heap of trouble. (updated edit)


If you want be tough then you tell Putin to get out or you will kick him out. Then you have to prepared to carry that out.

At the moment the rest of the world is hiding under the bed.


With all your dishonest waffle have you got around to saying why you support Trump's obvious lies on the topic ?
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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #56 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 10:07pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:51pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:48pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:21pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:50pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm:
It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?


Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump.


Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today.

All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024.


Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?.


So just give Ukraine to Russia and support the crazy Dictator and then wonder who he invades next while the the rest of the world is hiding under the bed - Great plan that one is.

Also remember that Ukraine have held Russia at bay for 3 years - People said it would be 3 days and the filthy republicans blocked arms supply for a long time when Ukraine were in a stronger position.

Between the crazy dictator in Russia and the crazy dictator in the US the would is in a heap of trouble. (updated edit)


If you want be tough then you tell Putin to get out or you will kick him out. Then you have to prepared to carry that out.

At the moment the rest of the world is hiding under the bed.


With all your dishonest waffle have you got around to saying why you support Trump's obvious lies on the topic ?



Because Trump knows its insanity to keep doing the same thing and letting more people die is stupid. The land has gone, not because of Trump or what he said but because thats how it goes. You seem to want to take the Hamas option of everlasting war to be right.
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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #57 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 10:21pm
 
https://united24media.com/latest-news/europe-eyes-unprecedented-eur700-billion-m...

Europe Eyes Unprecedented €700 Billion Military Aid Plan for Ukraine



Feb 18, 2025

The European Union is reportedly working on a multi-billion-euro defense package to support Ukraine’s war effort, with German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock hinting at the sheer scale of the upcoming package, suggesting it could be worth around $732.2 billion (€700 billion), German media Berliner Zeitung reported on February 18.

However, EU leaders recognize the sensitivity of the plan. According to Bloomberg, the spending initiative will only be announced after Germany’s regional elections on February 23 to avoid controversy before the vote.

Select European heads of state met in Paris on Monday to coordinate their response after U.S. officials urged Europe to take concrete action.

“We will launch a large package, the likes of which we have never seen before,” Baerbock told Bloomberg during the Munich Security Conference.

“Just as we had a financial package for the euro crisis or COVID-19, we now need one for European security. This will happen soon.”

Speaking on Bloomberg Television, Lithuanian Defense Minister Dovile Sakaliene stressed that Europe must prepare for a dramatic shift in its security landscape:

“Realization that it’s not the U.S. which will defend Europe, but Europe defending ourselves with help from the U.S. means we will all have to move fast, Germany included,” he said.

Baerbock added that peace can only be achieved through strength, stating that “this requires hard and long-term security guarantees for Ukraine, a strong NATO, and progress in Ukraine’s EU accession talks.”

“As Europeans and as Germans, we stand firmly with Ukraine—militarily, humanitarianly, and financially. Since Russia’s full-scale invasion, we, Europeans, have provided over $140.16 billion (€134 billion) in aid to Ukraine, with Germany contributing nearly $46 billion (€44 billion) alone.”

Baerbock further stressed that Europe’s unity is its greatest strength, stating:

“Despite our differences, we move forward together—from Paris to Munich. As Europeans, we must take greater responsibility for our own security. Given the existential threat we face, a major collective effort is required to safeguard our peace and prosperity.”

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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #58 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 10:34pm
 
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 10:07pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:51pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:48pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:21pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:50pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm:
It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?


Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump.


Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today.

All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024.


Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?.


So just give Ukraine to Russia and support the crazy Dictator and then wonder who he invades next while the the rest of the world is hiding under the bed - Great plan that one is.

Also remember that Ukraine have held Russia at bay for 3 years - People said it would be 3 days and the filthy republicans blocked arms supply for a long time when Ukraine were in a stronger position.

Between the crazy dictator in Russia and the crazy dictator in the US the would is in a heap of trouble. (updated edit)


If you want be tough then you tell Putin to get out or you will kick him out. Then you have to prepared to carry that out.

At the moment the rest of the world is hiding under the bed.


With all your dishonest waffle have you got around to saying why you support Trump's obvious lies on the topic ?



Because Trump knows its insanity to keep doing the same thing and letting more people die is stupid. The land has gone, not because of Trump or what he said but because thats how it goes. You seem to want to take the Hamas option of everlasting war to be right.


Can you link that to the need for Trump to lie about it and the reason you support the lies ?

Seems to me that if it was the one in a million possibility this is what he believed that is what he would have said? Why make up lies when this faux truth you made up would have been much better?

When he does lie why blindly support his lies ?

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You seem to want to take the Hamas option


When on the back foot with no real answer just throw in a red herring to muddy the waters. Next it will be that it is woke. Maybe Dr Seuss

Maybe try to get Frank in to spew his mandatory barrage of childish insults.
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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #59 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 11:03pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 10:34pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 10:07pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:51pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:48pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:21pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:50pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm:
It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?


Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump.


Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today.

All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024.


Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?.


So just give Ukraine to Russia and support the crazy Dictator and then wonder who he invades next while the the rest of the world is hiding under the bed - Great plan that one is.

Also remember that Ukraine have held Russia at bay for 3 years - People said it would be 3 days and the filthy republicans blocked arms supply for a long time when Ukraine were in a stronger position.

Between the crazy dictator in Russia and the crazy dictator in the US the would is in a heap of trouble. (updated edit)


If you want be tough then you tell Putin to get out or you will kick him out. Then you have to prepared to carry that out.

At the moment the rest of the world is hiding under the bed.


With all your dishonest waffle have you got around to saying why you support Trump's obvious lies on the topic ?



Because Trump knows its insanity to keep doing the same thing and letting more people die is stupid. The land has gone, not because of Trump or what he said but because thats how it goes. You seem to want to take the Hamas option of everlasting war to be right.


Can you link that to the need for Trump to lie about it and the reason you support the lies ?

Seems to me that if it was the one in a million possibility this is what he believed that is what he would have said? Why make up lies when this faux truth you made up would have been much better?

When he does lie why blindly support his lies ?

Quote:
You seem to want to take the Hamas option


When on the back foot with no real answer just throw in a red herring to muddy the waters. Next it will be that it is woke. Maybe Dr Seuss

Maybe try to get Frank in to spew his mandatory barrage of childish insults.


Yes I have a link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSbz_H-IF_w
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