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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #60 - Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:56pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 3:46pm:

My thoughts are that the whole problem should have been sorted out
by the United Nations over 3 years ago.
Did Putin try to get the UN to solve it?
He had many meetings with Macron but I don't remember anything
happening at the UN.

Russia's on the Security Council, you silly old thing. Vlad and Xi have blocked all UN interference.

Just ask Great.

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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #61 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 5:10am

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 3:46pm:

My thoughts are that the whole problem should have been sorted out
by the United Nations over 3 years ago.
Did Putin try to get the UN to solve it?
He had many meetings with Macron but I don't remember anything
happening at the UN.

Russia's on the Security Council, you silly old thing. Vlad and Xi have blocked all UN interference.

Just ask Great.

It really shows what a farce the UN has become when you have countries like China and Russia sitting on the UN Security Council with veto power (while Australia, a founding UN member not on it) and on the Human Rights Council you have countries with deplorable human rights records.

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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #62 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 5:19am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 9:21pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 8:50pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 8:45pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 4:57pm:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 4:54pm:

It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?

Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump.

Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today.

All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024.

Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?.

So just give Ukraine to Russia and support the crazy Dictator and then wonder who he invades next while the the rest of the world is hiding under the bed - Great plan that one is.

Also remember that Ukraine have held Russia at bay for 3 years - People said it would be 3 days and the filthy republicans blocked arms supply for a long time when Ukraine were in a stronger position.

Between the crazy dictator in Russia and the crazy dictator in the US the would is in a heap of trouble.

no

just like the finns in 1940, fight like hell, halt the russians, give up a bit of territory , sign a peace deal ASAP and get on with creating a vibrant economy

this is impossible for the ukraine now

their young people are all gone

the beneficiaries are the blob in the united states.

they get to have the american raxpayer pay for 200 billion in old inventory and they dont pay a price at home because not one american has been killed.
and they get to do a deal with whats left of the ukraine to provide security in exchange for the uktaines mineral wealth.

cadaver biden was unaware but thats how he was "played"

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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #63 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 7:44am

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 2:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:48pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:46pm:

Because he has the upper hand,

bullshit. Ukraine was making a fool of him. He should have won in weeks and is still there after years. Any normal person would have died of shame at being so humiliated. But putins a typical dictator who has no shame.

All Zelensky has to do then is say no thanks Trump and keep on humiliating Putin then.

Zelinski has already won. He has already shown the Russian army is crap. This is virtually their home turf, where supply lines should not be an issue and still they can't keep up. If Zelinski can drag it out another year russias economy will collapse completely. Russia wants to be considered a superpower. Cheesy

The only thing to Russia's advantage is their superior numbers and that they have nukes. Without the nukes, even their superior numbers wouldn't save them.

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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #64 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 7:47am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 5:10am:

It really shows what a farce the UN has become when you have countries like China and Russia sitting on the UN Security Council with veto power (while Australia, a founding UN member not on it) and on the Human Rights Council you have countries with deplorable human rights records.

The UN became a farce as soon as they gave veto power to ANYONE. Not just Russia and China.

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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #65 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 7:55am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 5:10am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 3:46pm:

My thoughts are that the whole problem should have been sorted out
by the United Nations over 3 years ago.
Did Putin try to get the UN to solve it?
He had many meetings with Macron but I don't remember anything
happening at the UN.

Russia's on the Security Council, you silly old thing. Vlad and Xi have blocked all UN interference.

Just ask Great.

It really shows what a farce the UN has become when you have countries like China and Russia sitting on the UN Security Council with veto power (while Australia, a founding UN member not on it) and on the Human Rights Council you have countries with deplorable human rights records.

The question is -
why did Putin not even try to use the UN?

If it was true that Ukrainians were burning people alive and shelling innocent people in
the disputed territories then the whole world would have been on his side.

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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #66 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 9:27am

Trump Signals U.S. Ready To Forgive Ukraine For Invading Russia

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Once again willing to be the bigger man, President Trump has signaled that the United States is ready to forgive Ukraine for their ruthless invasion of Russia.

"You never should have started it, Ukraine" said Trump. "I always tell people to never fight uphill, but no one ever listens. But I guess we all make mistakes."

Trump's understanding tone was complemented by a late-night post on Truth Social in which he signaled forgiveness may be just around the corner.

EVEN THOUGH UKRAINE INVADED RUSSIA COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED, IT IS TIME TO MOVE PAST WHO INVADED WHO AND HAVE PEACE!!! WE DO NOT HOLD GRUDGES LIKE SLEEPY JOE....WE WILL MAKE A GREAT PEACE AND HAVE A NEW GOLDEN AGE FOR RUSSIA AND UKRAINE LIVING IN HARMONY!!

Though some in Ukraine stated that they were fairly sure Russia invaded them, diplomats stated it was time to simply move on and accept Trump's kind offer of forgiveness.

At publishing time, Trump had asked Zelensky to please do the right thing and just call Putin to say "I'm sorry."

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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #67 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 9:41am

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 7:44am:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 2:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:48pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:46pm:

Because he has the upper hand,

bullshit. Ukraine was making a fool of him. He should have won in weeks and is still there after years. Any normal person would have died of shame at being so humiliated. But putins a typical dictator who has no shame.

All Zelensky has to do then is say no thanks Trump and keep on humiliating Putin then.

Zelinski has already won. He has already shown the Russian army is crap. This is virtually their home turf, where supply lines should not be an issue and still they can't keep up. If Zelinski can drag it out another year russias economy will collapse completely. Russia wants to be considered a superpower. Cheesy

The only thing to Russia's advantage is their superior numbers and that they have nukes. Without the nukes, even their superior numbers wouldn't save them.

So how many Ukrainians will die in this noble cause?.

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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #69 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 10:22am

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 7:44am:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 2:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:48pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:46pm:

Because he has the upper hand,

bullshit. Ukraine was making a fool of him. He should have won in weeks and is still there after years. Any normal person would have died of shame at being so humiliated. But putins a typical dictator who has no shame.

All Zelensky has to do then is say no thanks Trump and keep on humiliating Putin then.

Zelinski has already won. He has already shown the Russian army is crap. This is virtually their home turf, where supply lines should not be an issue and still they can't keep up. If Zelinski can drag it out another year russias economy will collapse completely. Russia wants to be considered a superpower. Cheesy

The only thing to Russia's advantage is their superior numbers and that they have nukes. Without the nukes, even their superior numbers wouldn't save them.

Russia went from being the second most powerful military in the world to being the second most powerful military in Ukraine.

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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #70 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 10:22am

Bobby. wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 7:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 5:10am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 3:46pm:

My thoughts are that the whole problem should have been sorted out
by the United Nations over 3 years ago.
Did Putin try to get the UN to solve it?
He had many meetings with Macron but I don't remember anything
happening at the UN.

Russia's on the Security Council, you silly old thing. Vlad and Xi have blocked all UN interference.

Just ask Great.

It really shows what a farce the UN has become when you have countries like China and Russia sitting on the UN Security Council with veto power (while Australia, a founding UN member not on it) and on the Human Rights Council you have countries with deplorable human rights records.

The question is -
why did Putin not even try to use the UN?

If it was true that Ukrainians were burning people alive and shelling innocent people in
the disputed territories then the whole world would have been on his side.

Excuse me, are you asking why Vlad didn't take the issue of disputed territories to the UN Security Council?

I say, Bobby, that's a hard one. Given the fact that Vlad signed the Ukraine border treaty himself, who's he disputing?

We could try a multiple choice, I guess, but nobody ever plays.

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Re: Trump to Ukraine: you shouldn't have started war
Reply #71 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 10:28am

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 9:27am:

Trump Signals U.S. Ready To Forgive Ukraine For Invading Russia

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Once again willing to be the bigger man, President Trump has signaled that the United States is ready to forgive Ukraine for their ruthless invasion of Russia.

"You never should have started it, Ukraine" said Trump. "I always tell people to never fight uphill, but no one ever listens. But I guess we all make mistakes."

Trump's understanding tone was complemented by a late-night post on Truth Social in which he signaled forgiveness may be just around the corner.

EVEN THOUGH UKRAINE INVADED RUSSIA COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED, IT IS TIME TO MOVE PAST WHO INVADED WHO AND HAVE PEACE!!! WE DO NOT HOLD GRUDGES LIKE SLEEPY JOE....WE WILL MAKE A GREAT PEACE AND HAVE A NEW GOLDEN AGE FOR RUSSIA AND UKRAINE LIVING IN HARMONY!!

Though some in Ukraine stated that they were fairly sure Russia invaded them, diplomats stated it was time to simply move on and accept Trump's kind offer of forgiveness.

At publishing time, Trump had asked Zelensky to please do the right thing and just call Putin to say "I'm sorry."

I say, old boy, that's so not satire.

Babylon Bee's moving into straight news territory now, is it?

Good show.

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Reply #72 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 10:47am

Karnal wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 10:28am:

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 9:27am:

Trump Signals U.S. Ready To Forgive Ukraine For Invading Russia

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Once again willing to be the bigger man, President Trump has signaled that the United States is ready to forgive Ukraine for their ruthless invasion of Russia.

"You never should have started it, Ukraine" said Trump. "I always tell people to never fight uphill, but no one ever listens. But I guess we all make mistakes."

Trump's understanding tone was complemented by a late-night post on Truth Social in which he signaled forgiveness may be just around the corner.

EVEN THOUGH UKRAINE INVADED RUSSIA COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED, IT IS TIME TO MOVE PAST WHO INVADED WHO AND HAVE PEACE!!! WE DO NOT HOLD GRUDGES LIKE SLEEPY JOE....WE WILL MAKE A GREAT PEACE AND HAVE A NEW GOLDEN AGE FOR RUSSIA AND UKRAINE LIVING IN HARMONY!!

Though some in Ukraine stated that they were fairly sure Russia invaded them, diplomats stated it was time to simply move on and accept Trump's kind offer of forgiveness.

At publishing time, Trump had asked Zelensky to please do the right thing and just call Putin to say "I'm sorry."

I say, old boy, that's so not satire.

Babylon Bee's moving into straight news territory now, is it?

Good show.

Fake news you can trust, paki.
Keep telling you.

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Reply #73 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 11:15am

Chilling isn't it.

Quote:

Having promised in May 2014 to defend Ukraine with NATO arms, the NATO Generals assumed that Russia would take no steps to prevent the installation of NATO medium- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles in Ukraine. Such missiles could hit much of Russia within a few minutes if launched from Ukraine. Russia learned in July 2022 that NATO had begun missile shipments to Ukraine. By August 29 new military construction and the presence of NATO technicians had been reported by Russian spy planes flying over the country, and on October 14 the presence of a ballistic missile on a launching site was reported.

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